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Cougar Draven wrote:
Fotzepolitic wrote:
Cougar Draven wrote:
Fotzepolitic wrote:
Cougar Draven wrote:
Or you can just adapt the concept of a branching multiverse. But hey, advanced metaphysics is generally too much for people to wrap their heads around.


Anthropocentric models of branching universes are fundamentally flawed.


They're also fundamentally necessary, via the anthropic principle. In theory an anthropophobic universe can explain everything, as well.


Yeah, but that theory is total derpsville.


Generally the concept of anthropophobia in and of itself is when human beings are strictly necessary for the universe as it is to exist, yeah.


It's not that so much. It's just that the concept of a multiverse as embraced by fiction tends to ignore a lot of frustrating variables, like that other people exist. Anthropocentricity is half-measure, because it assumes no sentient choice in any other species, and/or no predetermined "choice" in the movement of particles and of quantum states.

And shit.
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 		Yay! Yay! Grab your popcorn! Let's talk about quantum mechanics and metaphysics and all of that fun stuff!

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Baronness wrote:
Yay! Yay! Grab your popcorn! Let's talk about quantum mechanics and metaphysics and all of that fun stuff!


Really? Because I'm struggling to maintain my own interest in this across two forums, let alone anybody else's.

CALABI YAU MOTHERFUCKERS.

Should be the name of someone's Slenderseries.
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Fotzepolitic wrote:
Cougar Draven wrote:
Fotzepolitic wrote:
Cougar Draven wrote:
Fotzepolitic wrote:
Cougar Draven wrote:
Or you can just adapt the concept of a branching multiverse. But hey, advanced metaphysics is generally too much for people to wrap their heads around.


Anthropocentric models of branching universes are fundamentally flawed.


They're also fundamentally necessary, via the anthropic principle. In theory an anthropophobic universe can explain everything, as well.


Yeah, but that theory is total derpsville.


Generally the concept of anthropophobia in and of itself is when human beings are strictly necessary for the universe as it is to exist, yeah.


It's not that so much. It's just that the concept of a multiverse as embraced by fiction tends to ignore a lot of frustrating variables, like that other people exist. Anthropocentricity is half-measure, because it assumes no sentient choice in any other species, and/or no predetermined "choice" in the movement of particles and of quantum states.

And shit.


I prefer to think that since the number of universes in a truly branching multiverse is necessarily infinite (assume one "decision point" per Planck time and then throw the thing out entirely due to the infinite number of photons travelling at each "decision point"), what each fictional "multiverse" shows us are the relevant universes.

Fotzepolitic wrote:
Baronness wrote:
Yay! Yay! Grab your popcorn! Let's talk about quantum mechanics and metaphysics and all of that fun stuff!


Really? Because I'm struggling to maintain my own interest in this across two forums, let alone anybody else's.

CALABI YAU MOTHERFUCKERS.

Should be the name of someone's Slenderseries.


Well damn it.

(Also yes, a series about the Calabi-Yau manifold would be excellent.)
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 		Personally, I believe in http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WordOfGod in regards to Slender series. What makes something canonical? When the creator says it is. If the creator says "That's not canon." it simply isn't. Just because one series crossed-over with another series and they in turn crossed over with yet another series doesn't mean they are all part of the same universe unless the creators say so.

In a work of fiction like this, I think it's best to just look at each individual series as its own individual work, and nothing more. Just because Tribe Twelve crossed over with EMH does not mean that the Rake is canon in the universe of Tribe Twelve. It was never in Tribe Twelve. It has nothing to do with Tribe Twelve. To think that the Rake would in some way play a role in TT's narrative due to the fact that it does in EMH and they "crossed over" is just silly. Each creator sets out to create their own unique work. Albeit some could argue they all occupy the same universe by using cross-over logic, I don't think this is the case. If it were, nearly every Slendy series would be interconnected and it would be clusterfucked to the point of no return. Continuity would be nigh impossible.

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Personally, I believe in http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WordOfGod in regards to Slender series. What makes something canonical? When the creator says it is. If the creator says "That's not canon." it simply isn't. Just because one series crossed-over with another series and they in turn crossed over with yet another series doesn't mean they are all part of the same universe unless the creators say so.

In a work of fiction like this, I think it's best to just look at each individual series as its own individual work, and nothing more. Just because Tribe Twelve crossed over with EMH does not mean that the Rake is canon in the universe of Tribe Twelve. It was never in Tribe Twelve. It has nothing to do with Tribe Twelve. To think that the Rake would in some way play a role in TT's narrative due to the fact that it does in EMH and they "crossed over" is just silly. Each creator sets out to create their own unique work. Albeit some could argue they all occupy the same universe by using cross-over logic, I don't think this is the case. If it were, nearly every Slendy series would be interconnected and it would be clusterfucked to the point of no return. Continuity would be nigh impossible.


Ah, the "Superboy punching reality" clause.
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Cougar Draven wrote:
Fotzepolitic wrote:
Cougar Draven wrote:
Fotzepolitic wrote:
Cougar Draven wrote:
Fotzepolitic wrote:
Cougar Draven wrote:
Or you can just adapt the concept of a branching multiverse. But hey, advanced metaphysics is generally too much for people to wrap their heads around.


Anthropocentric models of branching universes are fundamentally flawed.


They're also fundamentally necessary, via the anthropic principle. In theory an anthropophobic universe can explain everything, as well.


Yeah, but that theory is total derpsville.


Generally the concept of anthropophobia in and of itself is when human beings are strictly necessary for the universe as it is to exist, yeah.


It's not that so much. It's just that the concept of a multiverse as embraced by fiction tends to ignore a lot of frustrating variables, like that other people exist. Anthropocentricity is half-measure, because it assumes no sentient choice in any other species, and/or no predetermined "choice" in the movement of particles and of quantum states.

And shit.


I prefer to think that since the number of universes in a truly branching multiverse is necessarily infinite (assume one "decision point" per Planck time and then throw the thing out entirely due to the infinite number of photons travelling at each "decision point"), what each fictional "multiverse" shows us are the relevant universes.


Does this mean we can't lez up anymore?

Cougar Draven wrote:
Fotzepolitic wrote:
Baronness wrote:
Yay! Yay! Grab your popcorn! Let's talk about quantum mechanics and metaphysics and all of that fun stuff!


Really? Because I'm struggling to maintain my own interest in this across two forums, let alone anybody else's.

CALABI YAU MOTHERFUCKERS.

Should be the name of someone's Slenderseries.


Well damn it.

(Also yes, a series about the Calabi-Yau manifold would be excellent.)


M-branes all up in this jank.

Honestly, unless we have some actumathematicians in the house, I think that introducing any quantum set-dressing into SM could be the worst idea that there's ever been. To roughly-quote the Lexx writers handbook: "We will not include any beings more intelligent than man (until we can get them to write the scripts for us)". It's bad enough that the Slenderverse co-opted Heisenberg before I did , without them raping Gell-Mann.
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Cougar Draven wrote:
Aurastys wrote:
Personally, I believe in http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WordOfGod in regards to Slender series. What makes something canonical? When the creator says it is. If the creator says "That's not canon." it simply isn't. Just because one series crossed-over with another series and they in turn crossed over with yet another series doesn't mean they are all part of the same universe unless the creators say so.

In a work of fiction like this, I think it's best to just look at each individual series as its own individual work, and nothing more. Just because Tribe Twelve crossed over with EMH does not mean that the Rake is canon in the universe of Tribe Twelve. It was never in Tribe Twelve. It has nothing to do with Tribe Twelve. To think that the Rake would in some way play a role in TT's narrative due to the fact that it does in EMH and they "crossed over" is just silly. Each creator sets out to create their own unique work. Albeit some could argue they all occupy the same universe by using cross-over logic, I don't think this is the case. If it were, nearly every Slendy series would be interconnected and it would be clusterfucked to the point of no return. Continuity would be nigh impossible.


Ah, the "Superboy punching reality" clause.


I'm not sure if that statement is supposed to be derogatory or not, as I have no idea what that even means, but my opinion still stands. It just boggles my mind when people think that each story's interpretation of Slendy would be coherent and cohesive with someone else's work. Crossovers as I see it are just bumps in the road of a Slendy series that can advance the narrative, but are not meant to looked into as anything outside of their own work, outside of the relevant situation. After EMH and TT crossed over, they both went their separate ways and did not unite their channels into one giant Slondor epic. The Slenderverse is not the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Crossovers are brief, fun and their implications do not run as deep as many people speculate.

Also, I find it funny when people suggest a series cross over with Marble Hornets.

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 		I find the rationalisation of it odd.

We find it hilarious when Creationists try to make out their perfectly-acceptable myth to be rational with big fat wodges of pseudo-science, so why is it okay in the Slenderverse?

At the end of the day, we'd just be attaching poorly-understood science words to theories that have more in common with Althusserian structuralism, so why bother? Fuck it. Narrative causality all up in this, IMO. Kyle should appreciate that.
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Fotzepolitic wrote:
Cougar Draven wrote:
Fotzepolitic wrote:
Cougar Draven wrote:
Fotzepolitic wrote:
Cougar Draven wrote:
Fotzepolitic wrote:
Cougar Draven wrote:
Or you can just adapt the concept of a branching multiverse. But hey, advanced metaphysics is generally too much for people to wrap their heads around.


Anthropocentric models of branching universes are fundamentally flawed.


They're also fundamentally necessary, via the anthropic principle. In theory an anthropophobic universe can explain everything, as well.


Yeah, but that theory is total derpsville.


Generally the concept of anthropophobia in and of itself is when human beings are strictly necessary for the universe as it is to exist, yeah.


It's not that so much. It's just that the concept of a multiverse as embraced by fiction tends to ignore a lot of frustrating variables, like that other people exist. Anthropocentricity is half-measure, because it assumes no sentient choice in any other species, and/or no predetermined "choice" in the movement of particles and of quantum states.

And shit.


I prefer to think that since the number of universes in a truly branching multiverse is necessarily infinite (assume one "decision point" per Planck time and then throw the thing out entirely due to the infinite number of photons travelling at each "decision point"), what each fictional "multiverse" shows us are the relevant universes.


Does this mean we can't lez up anymore?


Tip-touching all over the place.

Fotzepolitic wrote:
Cougar Draven wrote:
Fotzepolitic wrote:
Baronness wrote:
Yay! Yay! Grab your popcorn! Let's talk about quantum mechanics and metaphysics and all of that fun stuff!


Really? Because I'm struggling to maintain my own interest in this across two forums, let alone anybody else's.

CALABI YAU MOTHERFUCKERS.

Should be the name of someone's Slenderseries.


Well damn it.

(Also yes, a series about the Calabi-Yau manifold would be excellent.)


M-branes all up in this jank.

Honestly, unless we have some actumathematicians in the house, I think that introducing any quantum set-dressing into SM could be the worst idea that there's ever been. To roughly-quote the Lexx writers handbook: "We will not include any beings more intelligent than man (until we can get them to write the scripts for us)". It's bad enough that the Slenderverse co-opted Heisenberg before I did , without them raping Gell-Mann.


There are a few that I know of. Just none that give a damn about creating videos. SO THERE YOU GO.
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Aurastys wrote:
Cougar Draven wrote:
Aurastys wrote:
Personally, I believe in http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WordOfGod in regards to Slender series. What makes something canonical? When the creator says it is. If the creator says "That's not canon." it simply isn't. Just because one series crossed-over with another series and they in turn crossed over with yet another series doesn't mean they are all part of the same universe unless the creators say so.

In a work of fiction like this, I think it's best to just look at each individual series as its own individual work, and nothing more. Just because Tribe Twelve crossed over with EMH does not mean that the Rake is canon in the universe of Tribe Twelve. It was never in Tribe Twelve. It has nothing to do with Tribe Twelve. To think that the Rake would in some way play a role in TT's narrative due to the fact that it does in EMH and they "crossed over" is just silly. Each creator sets out to create their own unique work. Albeit some could argue they all occupy the same universe by using cross-over logic, I don't think this is the case. If it were, nearly every Slendy series would be interconnected and it would be clusterfucked to the point of no return. Continuity would be nigh impossible.


Ah, the "Superboy punching reality" clause.


I'm not sure if that statement is supposed to be derogatory or not, as I have no idea what that even means, but my opinion still stands. It just boggles my mind when people think that each story's interpretation of Slendy would be coherent and cohesive with someone else's work. Crossovers as I see it are just bumps in the road of a Slendy series that can advance the narrative, but are not meant to looked into as anything outside of their own work, outside of the relevant situation. After EMH and TT crossed over, they both went their separate ways and did not unite their channels into one giant Slondor epic. The Slenderverse is not the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Crossovers are brief, fun and their implications do not run as deep as many people speculate.

Also, I find it funny when people suggest a series cross over with Marble Hornets.


It's not derogatory. Basically the thing is that for people who it doesn't bother, your explanation makes total sense. It bothers me. The idea of gaping plot holes in shared universes drives me completely batty. Granted, the concept that the Slender Man doesn't need to have a single concrete "canon" does a bit to aid that, but still. Basically it's saying that between videos of, say, EMH and TT, Superboy is out there punching the shit out of the walls of reality and changing and warping it around everything.

It was DC's ultimately unsatisfying explanation for certain bizarre plot holes in the 90s.
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Cougar Draven wrote:
Fotzepolitic wrote:
Cougar Draven wrote:
Fotzepolitic wrote:
Cougar Draven wrote:
Fotzepolitic wrote:
Cougar Draven wrote:
Fotzepolitic wrote:
Cougar Draven wrote:
Or you can just adapt the concept of a branching multiverse. But hey, advanced metaphysics is generally too much for people to wrap their heads around.


Anthropocentric models of branching universes are fundamentally flawed.


They're also fundamentally necessary, via the anthropic principle. In theory an anthropophobic universe can explain everything, as well.


Yeah, but that theory is total derpsville.


Generally the concept of anthropophobia in and of itself is when human beings are strictly necessary for the universe as it is to exist, yeah.


It's not that so much. It's just that the concept of a multiverse as embraced by fiction tends to ignore a lot of frustrating variables, like that other people exist. Anthropocentricity is half-measure, because it assumes no sentient choice in any other species, and/or no predetermined "choice" in the movement of particles and of quantum states.

And shit.


I prefer to think that since the number of universes in a truly branching multiverse is necessarily infinite (assume one "decision point" per Planck time and then throw the thing out entirely due to the infinite number of photons travelling at each "decision point"), what each fictional "multiverse" shows us are the relevant universes.


Does this mean we can't lez up anymore?


Tip-touching all over the place.




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Cougar Draven wrote:
Fotzepolitic wrote:
Cougar Draven wrote:
Fotzepolitic wrote:
Baronness wrote:
Yay! Yay! Grab your popcorn! Let's talk about quantum mechanics and metaphysics and all of that fun stuff!


Really? Because I'm struggling to maintain my own interest in this across two forums, let alone anybody else's.

CALABI YAU MOTHERFUCKERS.

Should be the name of someone's Slenderseries.


Well damn it.

(Also yes, a series about the Calabi-Yau manifold would be excellent.)


M-branes all up in this jank.

Honestly, unless we have some actumathematicians in the house, I think that introducing any quantum set-dressing into SM could be the worst idea that there's ever been. To roughly-quote the Lexx writers handbook: "We will not include any beings more intelligent than man (until we can get them to write the scripts for us)". It's bad enough that the Slenderverse co-opted Heisenberg before I did , without them raping Gell-Mann.


There are a few that I know of. Just none that give a damn about creating videos. SO THERE YOU GO.


Yeah, they're probably out having jobs or writing Primer 2 or some shit.
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It's not derogatory. Basically the thing is that for people who it doesn't bother, your explanation makes total sense. It bothers me. The idea of gaping plot holes in shared universes drives me completely batty. Granted, the concept that the Slender Man doesn't need to have a single concrete "canon" does a bit to aid that, but still. Basically it's saying that between videos of, say, EMH and TT, Superboy is out there punching the shit out of the walls of reality and changing and warping it around everything.

It was DC's ultimately unsatisfying explanation for certain bizarre plot holes in the 90s.


Dude, there was a time when the X-Files was still a Thing when I would've been right alongside you raging from the front lines.

But then Fringe happened, and the bar was lowered irreparably, and now I'm like, "srsly, just go with it".

Multiple fractalising realities don't exist because they might exist. Multiple fractalising realities don't exist because who gives a fuck? =(

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Fotzepolitic wrote:
Cougar Draven wrote:

It's not derogatory. Basically the thing is that for people who it doesn't bother, your explanation makes total sense. It bothers me. The idea of gaping plot holes in shared universes drives me completely batty. Granted, the concept that the Slender Man doesn't need to have a single concrete "canon" does a bit to aid that, but still. Basically it's saying that between videos of, say, EMH and TT, Superboy is out there punching the shit out of the walls of reality and changing and warping it around everything.

It was DC's ultimately unsatisfying explanation for certain bizarre plot holes in the 90s.


Dude, there was a time when the X-Files was still a Thing when I would've been right alongside you raging from the front lines.

But then Fringe happened, and the bar was lowered irreparably, and now I'm like, "srsly, just go with it".

Multiple fractalising realities don't exist because they might exist. Multiple fractalising realities don't exist because who gives a fuck? =(

EDIT/PS: sofuckingwasted.jpg


I have made my peace with my displeasure.
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 		Damn, that second "don't" shouldn't be there.

"Multiple fractalising realities exist because who gives a fuck?"
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