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Hylianhero777
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 		WOWWOWWOWWOWWOW GREAT ENTRY. This was just... yes. Best Slendy appearance of the season.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:17 pm
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monstertugg
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 		Best...OP...appearance...ever... Shocked

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 		We learned that either Jay needs to work out or Tim needs to go on a diet. He was too heavy for him to help so he just left him there... not helpful in the friend department Jay.

So is Alex not so bad after all and he was trying to protect them from the operator? Or was his warning more of a threat, like "If you don't gtfo I'm calling the operator to mess you up!" Interesting entry to say the least.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:43 pm
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djaeke
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 		Someone may have pointed this out already, but it seems everyone is mentioning the similarity to Jay in Return, however it seems you're forgetting someone:



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SignerJ
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 		So, this is what I think has happened so far...
(Warning!: This post is going to be quite long and written mostly in a formal manner. That means, there will be few "I think" or "I believe"s. Just remember that this all is my theory of what happened. Or something like that. It's a bit incoherent in the Tim part.)

First off, it is a pretty well established theory that the Operator is able to take control of people. Often, it results in them developing blackness below their eyes. We know that something like this has happened to Jay before.

With that established, I'll give my views on Tim and Alex. These don't need to be read in any order, and you may wish to reference between each.

Alex:
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I think that, during Season 2 especially, Alex was in control of himself and not in cahoots with the Operator. I think that, at various times, the Operator would take control of Alex and have him do his bidding. so, when Hoody and Masky tried to kill Alex, the Operator came to protect his puppet.

Alex is also crazy on self-preservation; that is, he will do anything it takes to survive. After all, nearly everyone he knew disappeared because of the Operator, and many because it was controlling him. So he doesn't trust anyone -- he cannot afford to, considering that all of them disappeared. Even Jay is questionable.

The Operator, due to its control over him, causes him to become edgy when it is near. It heightens his self-preservation desire and such, and makes him very unstable. It also makes him easier to be influenced by the Operator. He was edgy during his visit to the tunnel where he encountered Bruce. The Operator then took control and used Alex to kill Bruce, but Alex retained no memory of that (he just remembered blacking out at the tunnel). So, he heads back later to figure out what happened, and is ambushed by the Operator, who wishes to maintain control of his puppet and keep him ignorant.

Alex possessed the tape of his betrayal of Brian for a simple reason -- it was in the camera. He never watched it, and probably didn't even remember that it existed. That is why Alex didn't question Jay's theft of the tape.

When it came down to the shooting, the Operator was nearby, causing Alex to be edgy. However, Alex was completely independent. His self-preservation instinct was on High. He believed that Jay and Jessica were discovering too much and were exposing him to danger from the Operator, who he had tried to flee before. He also believed that Jay was responsible for Amy's disappearance. So, Alex pulled a gun and, in his state, decided to end the threat once and for all.
[You may wish to look at the Tim section now.]
However, the Operator was in control of Masky and didn't want Jay dead just yet. So, he had Masky attack Alex. Obviously, Masky avoided injury, and same for Alex. What happened during the fight is unknown, but it was probably a draw, with Alex fleeing. Because of this event, Alex was freed from the Operator, and was no longer succeptible to its control.

From that point on, Alex mainly stayed underground, attempting to stay hidden. He watched Jay, and managed to prevent Hoody from finding his location -- though Hoody knew that Alex was alive. Then, in this entry, at the tunnel, Alex saw that Jay was in immense danger and called to warn him. Knowing that Jay wouldn't listen to him in an extended conversation, and that time was short, Alex made his call swift and simple. Obviously, he succeeded in saving Jay -- if it wasn't for the call, Jay would have been caught completely unawares and been unprepared in every way. Would he have escaped? Maybe.


Now, to Tim:
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Tim's situation is a bit different. He can become Masky, a state in which he is very unstable and manipulable. In this state, he can be controlled by the Operator. As we know, Masky is unleashed by a seizure, which can either be accidental (the result of Tim not taking pills) or purposeful (the influence of the Operator).

Masky is not always under the Operator's control, as there are times when he has assisted Jay indirectly. For example, when Masky led Jay to the tunnel where Bruce was killed, he was not under the Operator's control. Or, when he was working with Hoody to kill Alex. I am unsure of whether or not Masky was in control during his first encounter with Jay in Brian's house. (In many of the ToTheArk videos he stars in, Masky is in control.)

However, just like Alex, the Operator can control Masky (but not Tim, due to mental stability). When Masky infiltrated Jay's house, for example, the Operator was in complete control. He had Masky perform various deeds, such as stealing the items that Jay had collected. Whether the Operator took control of Jay when Masky was in the bedroom, or if the Operator had Masky move Jay into the hall, is unsure.

Later, when Jay returns to Brian's house, the Operator uses Masky to lure Jay into the "Basement of Doom." After Season 1, however, I think that Masky becomes much more independent, possibly due to Hoody's interference.

(Note: When Masky assaults Alex in the abandoned building with Jay there, I am unsure of whether or not Masky is under his own control. However, I think that, at that time, Alex is under his own control. Masky's targeting of Alex could either by the Operator's will or his own, but I am inclined to believe that the Operator was absent from the encounter.)

[You may wish to look at the Alex section now.]
Skipping to the end of Season 2, we find Alex in a very unstable state due to the presence of the Operator. We find him pointing a gun at Jay and Jessica, about to go against the Operator's wishes. So, the Operator has Masky assault Alex, and give Jay a chance to escape. As stated in the Alex section, it is unknown who the winner was, but the conflict likely resulted with Alex running from Masky, both relatively unharmed. But there was no longer any chance of Jay and Alex working together.

Then, the Operator decided to take Jessica and isolate Jay again, after what happened with Alex. Things did not go exactly as planned, and Jay lost his memory. The Operator then decided to stay unseen for a little while. [Head to the Jessica section; this part isn't the best made.] However, the Operator decided to make a move, so the Operator had Jessica "disappear" and sent Masky to chase Jay away. With Jay alone, the Operator decided to stop controlling Masky/Tim for a time. (Grasping at strings stops here.)
Tim, having medications and abandoned by the Operator, did not have seizures for quite a while after. That is, until Hoody got involved. In the forest, Masky was in control of himself. Jay and Tim teamed up, thanks to Hoody's intervention.

The Operator and Alex watch them the entire time they are in Rosswood. And then they head to the tunnel. Alex, knowing that the Operator is near, calls and warns Jay. Jay refuses to listen and the Operator arrives. He induces a seizure in Tim, and takes control of Masky. Jay barely escapes. The Operator teleports Masky to the car, and then Masky heads out to do the Operator's bidding. (Masky may not have attacked Jay because he believed Jay was under the Operator's control, just like him.)


EDIT: In light of a recent post, I have added a Jessica section:
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I'm going to make this quick, because I don't have much to include. [You may wish to look at the Alex or Tim section before this.]

After the incident with Alex, the Operator decided to take a bit more control. He appeared in the hotel later that day/evening. Whether to break up the team or anther reason, it is unknown. However, things did not go as planned and Jay's memory was wiped. So, the Operator decided to go unseen for a while, but took control of Jessica instead.

After a few days, the Operator decided to make a move. He has Jessica disappear, and sends Masky to do something to Jay. Obviously, the plan fails (or succeeds...), as Jay escapes with the tapes and some new knowledge. He is also determined to find and rescue Jessica (though I am now starting to think this may not be a good thing...)



Separately, I think that the twin pinholes idea is a really good observation.



Sorry if this post was a bit long.

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Yuki
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 		We don't have any evidence that Alex has any good left in him, though; there's nothing to suggest that he's not actually in league with the Operator. We see him sacrificing Brian; it appears that he did the same to Tim; he threatens Jay and Jessica multiple times.

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FossilizedSauce
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Yuki wrote:
We don't have any evidence that Alex has any good left in him, though; there's nothing to suggest that he's not actually in league with the Operator. We see him sacrificing Brian; it appears that he did the same to Tim; he threatens Jay and Jessica multiple times.


He has at least a bit of remorse. When he held them at gunpoint in 52 he was lamenting about how he should've burned the tapes and how he really didn't want to get Jessica involved in all of this. Whatever's going on, it appears to be out of necessity according to Alex.

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EmeraldWind
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FossilizedSauce wrote:
Yuki wrote:
We don't have any evidence that Alex has any good left in him, though; there's nothing to suggest that he's not actually in league with the Operator. We see him sacrificing Brian; it appears that he did the same to Tim; he threatens Jay and Jessica multiple times.


He has at least a bit of remorse. When he held them at gunpoint in 52 he was lamenting about how he should've burned the tapes and how he really didn't want to get Jessica involved in all of this. Whatever's going on, it appears to be out of necessity according to Alex.


I'm inclined to think along with one of pravado's theories (I think it was pravado) that Alex was acting out of desperation and paranoia.

That somehow all the attacks Alex did were more out of self-defense thinking the others had something to do with the OP.

Granted even then I don't see why he would suddenly decide to help Jay...

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Geneaux486
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jackofnotrades wrote:
Tim: "I dont want anything to do with this it's dangerous"

Jay: "But we haaaaaave to"

Tim: "Ok but we're going in the daytime and sticking together"

Jay *Runs off leaving Tim behind incapacitated at the feet of a monster* "Comeon Tim keep up! That thing will eat you..."

Tim: "I'm mad."

Jay: "What's the matter?"


Jay didn't run until Tim told him to.

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FalloutGhoul
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SignerJ wrote:
So, this is what I think has happened so far...
(Warning!: This post is going to be quite long and written mostly in a formal manner. That means, there will be few "I think" or "I believe"s. Just remember that this all is my theory of what happened. Or something like that. It's a bit incoherent in the Tim part.)

First off, it is a pretty well established theory that the Operator is able to take control of people. Often, it results in them developing blackness below their eyes. We know that something like this has happened to Jay before.

With that established, I'll give my views on Tim and Alex. These don't need to be read in any order, and you may wish to reference between each.

Alex:
spoiler

Now, to Tim:
spoiler

EDIT: In light of a recent post, I have added a Jessica section:
spoiler

Separately, I think that the twin pinholes idea is a really good observation.

Sorry if this post was a bit long.

All of which are good theories.

EDIT: Also, I have noticed that while Tim and Jay were discussing about what happened in Entry #52, and Tim said that when he attacked Alex he "wasn't in the best state of mind."
Do you think Tim partially knows he turned into Masky?

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 		Bleh I so wanted Entry 29 to be resolved here. Tim had the chest cam and was holding the camera in his hand it was PERFECT. If he had just been holding Jay's camera when Slendy took him it would have been easy to just chalk it up.

I liked this entry but I feel like they are teasing us with that pocket of discontinuity.

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Gameboy39
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FalloutGhoul wrote:

EDIT: Also, I have noticed that while Tim and Jay were discussing about what happened in Entry #52, and Tim said that when he attacked Alex he "wasn't in the best state of mind."
Do you think Tim partially knows he turned into Masky?


I don't think that he knows instinctively. He only knows the full details now because he has watched Jay's MarbleHornets videos. He is speaking sarcastically in the quote you mentioned, dwelling bitterly on the fact that he has no control over his actions.

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CraicIsMighty
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 		Guys, Jay really didn't have any other choice other than to run. He tried to help Tim but he couldn't and Tim told him himself to just go. I really doubt Tim is mad. How would it have helped anyone if Jay had stayed and gotten Operated on as well? Then Tim and Jay would BOTH have ended up as dark eyed zombies, how would that help Tim?

That being said, something I found interesting is that Jay seemed to be taking a lot more initiative in this little expedition. He was the one who kept urging Tim to move to the next location instead of lingering in spots that didn't seem to be yielding any clues. He's also the one who wanted to keep going after Alex called instead of leaving like Tim wanted to- even though going to Rosswood in the first place was Tim's idea. Just something I found curious.

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Lytrigian
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Glass wrote:
Bleh I so wanted Entry 29 to be resolved here. Tim had the chest cam and was holding the camera in his hand it was PERFECT. If he had just been holding Jay's camera when Slendy took him it would have been easy to just chalk it up.

I liked this entry but I feel like they are teasing us with that pocket of discontinuity.

How would this have resolved Entry 29? That happened over a year ago; this happened Sunday.

CraicIsMighty wrote:
I really doubt Tim is mad.

Let's hope Tim is still much of anything.

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Teedub wrote:
pravado wrote:
Now that was a great entry.
lmfao

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