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Geneaux486
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pravado wrote:

i dont know if we've ever seen the camera cut or turn off as a result of tim's distortion though, although him and alex and jessica all caused it. most likely, anyone who was operator targetted except for jay, causes it

actually jay mght have at one point but i don't remember

My favorite was when Jay was hiking to the red tower back in season 1, and going near that opening in the ground caused both audio and visual distortion. When I saw that I was all "This confirms it, the Operator is the smoke monster."

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:22 am

Jingleman
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pravado wrote:

Quite right. You've said that we should attribute the camera-breaking distortion to Hoody some of the time, and I agree, of course, but that makes it a curious situation, right? We don't know who Hoody is, but we do know that he's often present and unseen when things go down in the entries, and we only find out he was there after the fact. So, anybody who's a candidate for Hoody could have been causing any of the camera-breaking distortion. You just have to believe that Hoody could have been around, which he pretty much always could have. Heck, Hoody could even have been causing the distortion that we've been attributing to the Operator, I guess, but that would take away one of the Operator's only known aggressive moves and totally change the meaning of those scenes. Vice versa, too, I suppose.

So, three questions, then: who causes the camera-breaking distortion as Hoody, which times should it be attributed to Hoody, and can anyone other than Hoody and the Operator do it?

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Maybe you're on to something. That would be a better explanation for the smoke monster than we got on Lost. Which reminds me to be nervous about MH being properly wrapped up.

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:27 pm

Geneaux486
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Jingleman wrote:

That would be a better explanation for the smoke monster than we got on Lost. Which reminds me to be nervous about MH being properly wrapped up.

Can't say I agree there. Really, we learned more about the smoke monster than I ever thought we would. I figured the biggest revalation we'd get would be how to kill it, but they traced its history all the way back to its very birth. I'd say they explained just enough to avoid going into "Jedi bacteria" territory. As for MH's ending, I think Troy already said that they were going to answer the big questions. I don't expect them to go into the science behind the Operator, or anything (what character could even convey that information believably), but I wouldn't expect any ambiguity in the end.

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:44 pm

barbarossa
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Geneaux486 wrote:

pravado wrote:

I'm happy I'm not the only one that thought "Ha. smoke monster." There was a shoot of a tree hollow that did the same thing I believe.

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:10 pm

Animal
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I pretty much just realized that whatever the relationship between the operator and alex is, it is 100 percent controlled by the operator. Operator clearly has control/power over most people he comes into contact with, and there is no reason to believe the operator can understand our language (he is german afterall). This leads me to believe that the operator is 100 percent using alex.

If we can make this assumption, we must ask our self why he called Jay and Tim and told him to leave. I actually think that he was trying to help them in some way. Not 100 percent sold on this speculation but I think it's plausible

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:04 pm

pravado
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A lot of people miss very little key things in lost

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For example, the epilogue. Walt is named the island leader and gets to stay on the island with his father (as a spirit) and his dog until he gives up the role (which is assumed never, since he's not at the church with them at the end and we know that walt's biggest moment in life was on that island just like everyone else's that was there) - also it's the reason walt appears to shannon in season 2 and locke in season 3 in the dharma pit; he transcends time like jacob did (since he's the leader he has those powers) and appears to them to help guide them on their journey

The smoke monster was hurley's imaginary friend Dave, and tried getting Hurley to kill himself by jumping off a cliff way back when.

The island's pockets of energy were connected to the outside world (that station that eloise used to determine how to get back to the island (lamp post) confirmed this), so if the cork remained unplugged the energy would drain from those parts of the world, and the same deterioration from the island we saw would happen in the real world in the locations where the pockets were under

also, if the smoke monster left, he would recreate dead people and completely terrorize the world with that power.

some of that is fact, some is fill in the blanks with concrete answers. i've watched lost 6 times in it's entirety, twice chronologically (should look it up, some guy put all the scenes in timeline order, it's fantastic. watching the character's backstories is like watching mini movies

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:28 pm

Geneaux486
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Ah crap, I'm all about Lost discussions >_<

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(which is assumed never, since he's not at the church with them at the end and we know that walt's biggest moment in life was on that island just like everyone else's that was there)

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That's an interesting take on it, as is your theory that it was post-Jacob'd Walt that appeared before Shannon and Locke. I kind of assumed the characters that weren't in the church at the end had more important connections and issues that they had to deal with. Eko moving on with Yemi, Ana Lucia presumably patching things up with her mother, Miles with his dad, Daniel and Charlotte, Ben with Alex and Danielle, and in Walt's case, him and Michael were each other's most important connections. That's mostly why I figured he wasn't at the church. It's like ol' man Actual Christian Shepard said, "Everybody dies."

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The smoke monster was hurley's imaginary friend Dave, and tried getting Hurley to kill himself by jumping off a cliff way back when.

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Probably, but I like to think that Dave was a dead asshole who wanted to get Hurley into all kinds of trouble, at least the Dave that Hurley interacted with off the island. I mean Jacob did establish for us that Hurley wasn't actually crazy, so it's possible.

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also, if the smoke monster left, he would recreate dead people and completely terrorize the world with that power.

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Hmm, I had felt that the implication of Jacob's wine analogy to Richard just meant that the man in black's corrupting influence (as seen with Sayid, the french team, etc.) would just gradually start to affect everyone in the world.

You know I still come across people that are all "So they actually WERE dead the whole time!"

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twice chronologically (should look it up, some guy put all the scenes in timeline order, it's fantastic. watching the character's backstories is like watching mini movies

That sounds... pretty great. Must have been a nightmare to put together though.

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:44 pm

pravado
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yeah it was pretty nuts to put it together prob

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also the island was deff walt's most important moment. when locke revisits him in season 5 walt asks about the island and locke doesn't wanna bring him back. walt hates michael after he confesses to what happens in season 2. i think walt checking into santa rosa because he can't cope with the stress of what happened signifies that it was the hugest moment in his life. michael wasn't in the afterlife because he was stuck as a spirit on the island, christian (well, really the smoke monster) explains this

also the ploy of the smoke monster goes over people's heads too. he recruits claire way back in season 4 for future purposes. then using that time loop with richard, he takes lockes body. then he lures ben to the temple and takes the form of alex (knowing ben will follow her every word after feeling guilty for her death) and tells him to do w/e locke says. then he tells him to kill jacob. after that's done, he uses claire to help recruit more people. most people got this, but a lot of casual viewers didnt

oh, and you're pretty much spot on with the other characters not being there. the whole point was that the island was what brought the people together, and the people helped each other overcome their problems. that they had in the past. they're still in the purgatory timeline or w/e, but they don't move on with the lost characters. however, walt isn't even there. ana lucia is there, daniel is there, but not walt. this implies that walt is the only character that never dies, and lives forever as the island protector. at least that's my interpretation

and one more thing: when kate says to jack "i've been waiting a long time for you" - HOW THE FUCK DID SO MANY PEOPLE MISINTERPRET THIS. people took this as purgatory kate saying she was waiting in purgatory for him forever. WRONG. she was talking about after getting off the island and growing old alone and without jack (who died as soon as she left) - that line is super sentimental to me simply because it's kate saying "i thought about you long after i left that island and have been waiting to see you for decades"

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:05 am

Geneaux486
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however, walt isn't even there. ana lucia is there, daniel is there, but not walt. this implies that walt is the only character that never dies, and lives forever as the island protector. at least that's my interpretation

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Good point, most of the other characters at least appeared at some point. True that Eko didn't, but I think that was more due to a problem with the actor's availability. True also that Walt's most important moments were on the island, but what I was getting at was that he and his father had their issues to work out, and thus wouldn't have beeen present in the church. However, as you said, they didn't even appear on Oceanic 815 in the purgatory timeline, so he may very well have kept the position forever. Much as he loved the island it would't surprise me. Locke probably would have done the same thing if he had chance.

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and one more thing: when kate says to jack "i've been waiting a long time for you" - HOW THE FUCK DID SO MANY PEOPLE MISINTERPRET THIS. people took this as purgatory kate saying she was waiting in purgatory for him forever. WRONG. she was talking about after getting off the island and growing old alone and without jack (who died as soon as she left) - that line is super sentimental to me simply because it's kate saying "i thought about you long after i left that island and have been waiting to see you for decades"

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Heh, yep. As Christian said, "Some died before you, some of them... long after you." I always pictured the stream of conciousness for each character going from their final moment, to the fading brightness that placed the audience in the Oceanic 815's cabin at the beginning of season six, and like with dream logic they just have all these memories of a life they didn't actually lead up to that point. Died at different times, but all converged on the same point in that metaphysical realm.

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:19 am

pravado
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the actor that played eko wanted to leave the show so they wrote him off in season 3, after that point he wasn't really canon

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:32 am

pravado
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well, what i took out of it was that

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after death they immediately come to at the moment of their "awakening" in the post life

like they don't actually conciously do all the things from season 6's timeline, fate just kind of autopilot's it.

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:34 am

Cutboy
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we havent heard from tta in a while...

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:34 am

Geneaux486
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pravado wrote:

well, what i took out of it was that

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Possibly. Not that different from what I thought, except I think they conciously did the things in season 6 from their time aboard the plane to the moment of their awakenings, just with false memories of a different life. I don't know if this is true for everyone, but when I have more intricate dreams, for instance, I'll have tons of memories of things that didn't actually happen in real life or in my dream. It's hard to explain. And yeah, I knew why Eko's actor had left the show in season 3 (and the tragic circumstances behind his decision to leave), but I remember for a little while they were at least hoping to get him back for a cameo towards the end of the series. I think.

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we havent heard from tta in a while...

I'm thinking his new, proactive approach to things might be permenant, so the next time we see him he'll once again be directly involved in important events.

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:42 am

paladin181
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Why does everyone assume the operator is German? slenderman originates from Germany. The operator is not necessarily the Slenderman. Some characteristics are the same, and the appearance is mostly the same. But in reality, we don't know WHAT the operator is.

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:06 am

Geneaux486
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paladin181 wrote:

His real name is "Der Grosseman" which there's no way I just spelled correctly. That's a pretty german sounding name to me.

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:11 am

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