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Neoclimax
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Coolbro Swaggins wrote:
Long time lurker, first time poster, etc. I just came up with this theory and really, really wanted to share it:

According to the wiki, Liam's mother petitioned for the Victor Park Playground to be built in his memory. The Boardwalk/Victor Park are very consistent themes in this series, and November 11th in particular has a theme of "Remembering" to it.

Liam and Noah knew each other as children and are the two kids running in November 11th's screwy-Observer segment. Liam's "Mysterious death" was because of Slendy drowning him at the lake near the boardwalk. Noah witnessed this and his memory of Liam was wiped. Noah is shocked at Firebrand's appearance in November 11th because he is Liam and Noah manages to remember his face from seeing it. This is why he was so shocked.




O.o Holy shit that just kicked the living shit out of the milo being firebrand theory.

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 		Firstly, I find it odd that Noah would be his own best friend seraphim, while that is mighty philosophical, I tend to think Firebrand was talking in a more literal sense.

The fact that you link Noah to being "the stubborn one" I kinda must disagree as Noah gave up, and still says he would rather just have died, that doesn't sound very stubborn to me.

If anything, the fact that Milo refused to seek help for his personal problems( those with the collective of course) which led to his death paints him more as the stubborn one.

There is certain aspects that suggest that yes, Noah COULD be Firebrand, but there is not enough known, as well as enough counter evidence around for this to be an accepted theory.

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Neoclimax wrote:
Coolbro Swaggins wrote:
Long time lurker, first time poster, etc. I just came up with this theory and really, really wanted to share it:

According to the wiki, Liam's mother petitioned for the Victor Park Playground to be built in his memory. The Boardwalk/Victor Park are very consistent themes in this series, and November 11th in particular has a theme of "Remembering" to it.

Liam and Noah knew each other as children and are the two kids running in November 11th's screwy-Observer segment. Liam's "Mysterious death" was because of Slendy drowning him at the lake near the boardwalk. Noah witnessed this and his memory of Liam was wiped. Noah is shocked at Firebrand's appearance in November 11th because he is Liam and Noah manages to remember his face from seeing it. This is why he was so shocked.




O.o Holy shit that just kicked the living shit out of the milo being firebrand theory.



yeah, after reading that, coupling it with the swimming footage, this is my favourite theory,

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Coolbro Swaggins wrote:
Long time lurker, first time poster, etc. I just came up with this theory and really, really wanted to share it:

According to the wiki, Liam's mother petitioned for the Victor Park Playground to be built in his memory. The Boardwalk/Victor Park are very consistent themes in this series, and November 11th in particular has a theme of "Remembering" to it.

Liam and Noah knew each other as children and are the two kids running in November 11th's screwy-Observer segment. Liam's "Mysterious death" was because of Slendy drowning him at the lake near the boardwalk. Noah witnessed this and his memory of Liam was wiped. Noah is shocked at Firebrand's appearance in November 11th because he is Liam and Noah manages to remember his face from seeing it. This is why he was so shocked.

Liam may have been stalked/killed to begin with due to Mary Asher visiting with Milo which might give credit to Mary being "Cursor" if only because the name would be appropriate. She "Curses" those she comes in constantly with by spreading the Administrator's influence.


Well hot fudge, this sounds about right to me. You did some damn good lurking my friend.

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TheLonelyLemon wrote:
Coolbro Swaggins wrote:
Long time lurker, first time poster, etc. I just came up with this theory and really, really wanted to share it:

According to the wiki, Liam's mother petitioned for the Victor Park Playground to be built in his memory. The Boardwalk/Victor Park are very consistent themes in this series, and November 11th in particular has a theme of "Remembering" to it.

Liam and Noah knew each other as children and are the two kids running in November 11th's screwy-Observer segment. Liam's "Mysterious death" was because of Slendy drowning him at the lake near the boardwalk. Noah witnessed this and his memory of Liam was wiped. Noah is shocked at Firebrand's appearance in November 11th because he is Liam and Noah manages to remember his face from seeing it. This is why he was so shocked.

Liam may have been stalked/killed to begin with due to Mary Asher visiting with Milo which might give credit to Mary being "Cursor" if only because the name would be appropriate. She "Curses" those she comes in constantly with by spreading the Administrator's influence.


Well hot fudge, this sounds about right to me. You did some damn good lurking my friend.




100% couldnt agree more. This seems to be one of the most well thought theories for the identity of Firebrand.

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 		Ok here we go...
Noah is a pawn and definitely not firebrand. The observer specifically mentions that
Quote:
There are innumerable candidates. And innumerable sessions

You know what that means? Yup, noah is just a pawn. There are others who could easily replace him, and in a game of chess a pawn is easily replaced and sometimes not even needed at all.

Hell, Noah might not even be a pawn, but a pre-black piece instead. The observer says
Quote:
you will become
but doesn't finish since he is disrupted by firebrand. Obviously Noah will become part of the collective, and when in a game of chess have you ever given your opponent a piece, let alone a king? The observer would have probably recruited Noah to his team if Firebrand didn't go all badass.

He might even be a black piece instead. I put my money that white is defending the journal, and black is trying to get it, and the observer is trying to get it. Since the observer is a rook, he's kind of cornered and doesn't have that much space, sending a pawn would be much easier to do.

There we have it. Not only is noah not firebrand, not only is noah not in the white team, but I say he's on the black team, and a pawn even.
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She "Curses" those she comes in constantly with by spreading the Administrator's influence.

Cursor means messenger or carrier in Latin. I think she's more of a Hermes then an old with-lady.
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I don't get it guise. I think I'm missing something. What's Karl's first name?

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Coolbro Swaggins wrote:
Long time lurker, first time poster, etc. I just came up with this theory and really, really wanted to share it:

According to the wiki, Liam's mother petitioned for the Victor Park Playground to be built in his memory. The Boardwalk/Victor Park are very consistent themes in this series, and November 11th in particular has a theme of "Remembering" to it.

Liam and Noah knew each other as children and are the two kids running in November 11th's screwy-Observer segment. Liam's "Mysterious death" was because of Slendy drowning him at the lake near the boardwalk. Noah witnessed this and his memory of Liam was wiped. Noah is shocked at Firebrand's appearance in November 11th because he is Liam and Noah manages to remember his face from seeing it. This is why he was so shocked.

Liam may have been stalked/killed to begin with due to Mary Asher visiting with Milo which might give credit to Mary being "Cursor" if only because the name would be appropriate. She "Curses" those she comes in constantly with by spreading the Administrator's influence.


Great theory. I've been leaning towards Liam being Firebrand for awhile but haven't been able to lay out the reasons properly and this clarified a few things for me.

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bgchaosdude wrote:
Ok here we go...
Noah is a pawn and definitely not firebrand. The observer specifically mentions that
Quote:
There are innumerable candidates. And innumerable sessions

You know what that means? Yup, noah is just a pawn. There are others who could easily replace him, and in a game of chess a pawn is easily replaced and sometimes not even needed at all.

Hell, Noah might not even be a pawn, but a pre-black piece instead. The observer says
Quote:
you will become
but doesn't finish since he is disrupted by firebrand. Obviously Noah will become part of the collective, and when in a game of chess have you ever given your opponent a piece, let alone a king? The observer would have probably recruited Noah to his team if Firebrand didn't go all badass.

He might even be a black piece instead. I put my money that white is defending the journal, and black is trying to get it, and the observer is trying to get it. Since the observer is a rook, he's kind of cornered and doesn't have that much space, sending a pawn would be much easier to do.

There we have it. Not only is noah not firebrand, not only is noah not in the white team, but I say he's on the black team, and a pawn even.


How do you explain Sarah then? She was (I guess you could say) on Noah's side, and when the Observer kills her, he says "black rook takes white pawn" would that not mean Noah is also a white pawn? I guess I can kinda buy into the whole, Noah is no chess piece and has a special purpose in the game, but I will need to see more evidence.

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bgchaosdude wrote:
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She "Curses" those she comes in constantly with by spreading the Administrator's influence.

Cursor means messenger or carrier in Latin. I think she's more of a Hermes then an old with-lady.


She has to be Mary Asher... She's the one who gave Noah all that info about the journal and Karl and stuff.

Can you guys remind me, what is Karl's name?

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alaitoc wrote:
bgchaosdude wrote:
Ok here we go...
Noah is a pawn and definitely not firebrand. The observer specifically mentions that
Quote:
There are innumerable candidates. And innumerable sessions

You know what that means? Yup, noah is just a pawn. There are others who could easily replace him, and in a game of chess a pawn is easily replaced and sometimes not even needed at all.

Hell, Noah might not even be a pawn, but a pre-black piece instead. The observer says
Quote:
you will become
but doesn't finish since he is disrupted by firebrand. Obviously Noah will become part of the collective, and when in a game of chess have you ever given your opponent a piece, let alone a king? The observer would have probably recruited Noah to his team if Firebrand didn't go all badass.

He might even be a black piece instead. I put my money that white is defending the journal, and black is trying to get it, and the observer is trying to get it. Since the observer is a rook, he's kind of cornered and doesn't have that much space, sending a pawn would be much easier to do.

There we have it. Not only is noah not firebrand, not only is noah not in the white team, but I say he's on the black team, and a pawn even.


How do you explain Sarah then? She was (I guess you could say) on Noah's side, and when the Observer kills her, he says "black rook takes white pawn" would that not mean Noah is also a white pawn? I guess I can kinda buy into the whole, Noah is no chess piece and has a special purpose in the game, but I will need to see more evidence.


Nah, I'm pretty sure Sarah just wanted to bang Noah.

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TheLonelyLemon wrote:
alaitoc wrote:
bgchaosdude wrote:
Ok here we go...
Noah is a pawn and definitely not firebrand. The observer specifically mentions that
Quote:
There are innumerable candidates. And innumerable sessions

You know what that means? Yup, noah is just a pawn. There are others who could easily replace him, and in a game of chess a pawn is easily replaced and sometimes not even needed at all.

Hell, Noah might not even be a pawn, but a pre-black piece instead. The observer says
Quote:
you will become
but doesn't finish since he is disrupted by firebrand. Obviously Noah will become part of the collective, and when in a game of chess have you ever given your opponent a piece, let alone a king? The observer would have probably recruited Noah to his team if Firebrand didn't go all badass.

He might even be a black piece instead. I put my money that white is defending the journal, and black is trying to get it, and the observer is trying to get it. Since the observer is a rook, he's kind of cornered and doesn't have that much space, sending a pawn would be much easier to do.

There we have it. Not only is noah not firebrand, not only is noah not in the white team, but I say he's on the black team, and a pawn even.


How do you explain Sarah then? She was (I guess you could say) on Noah's side, and when the Observer kills her, he says "black rook takes white pawn" would that not mean Noah is also a white pawn? I guess I can kinda buy into the whole, Noah is no chess piece and has a special purpose in the game, but I will need to see more evidence.


Nah, I'm pretty sure Sarah just wanted to bang Noah.



Then I am now questioning the Observer for using pawn instead of other....choice words, for women of that intent...

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alaitoc wrote:
bgchaosdude wrote:
Ok here we go...
Noah is a pawn and definitely not firebrand. The observer specifically mentions that
Quote:
There are innumerable candidates. And innumerable sessions

You know what that means? Yup, noah is just a pawn. There are others who could easily replace him, and in a game of chess a pawn is easily replaced and sometimes not even needed at all.

Hell, Noah might not even be a pawn, but a pre-black piece instead. The observer says
Quote:
you will become
but doesn't finish since he is disrupted by firebrand. Obviously Noah will become part of the collective, and when in a game of chess have you ever given your opponent a piece, let alone a king? The observer would have probably recruited Noah to his team if Firebrand didn't go all badass.

He might even be a black piece instead. I put my money that white is defending the journal, and black is trying to get it, and the observer is trying to get it. Since the observer is a rook, he's kind of cornered and doesn't have that much space, sending a pawn would be much easier to do.

There we have it. Not only is noah not firebrand, not only is noah not in the white team, but I say he's on the black team, and a pawn even.


How do you explain Sarah then? She was (I guess you could say) on Noah's side, and when the Observer kills her, he says "black rook takes white pawn" would that not mean Noah is also a white pawn? I guess I can kinda buy into the whole, Noah is no chess piece and has a special purpose in the game, but I will need to see more evidence.


Imagine Kat and Sarah as white pawns and Noah as obviously black. Sarah and Noah were in front of each other, they just chatted and visited, but one couldn't take the other one out. However Kat was next to sarah, diagonal from Noah, meaning Noah could take her out.
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bgchaosdude wrote:
alaitoc wrote:
bgchaosdude wrote:
Ok here we go...
Noah is a pawn and definitely not firebrand. The observer specifically mentions that
Quote:
There are innumerable candidates. And innumerable sessions

You know what that means? Yup, noah is just a pawn. There are others who could easily replace him, and in a game of chess a pawn is easily replaced and sometimes not even needed at all.

Hell, Noah might not even be a pawn, but a pre-black piece instead. The observer says
Quote:
you will become
but doesn't finish since he is disrupted by firebrand. Obviously Noah will become part of the collective, and when in a game of chess have you ever given your opponent a piece, let alone a king? The observer would have probably recruited Noah to his team if Firebrand didn't go all badass.

He might even be a black piece instead. I put my money that white is defending the journal, and black is trying to get it, and the observer is trying to get it. Since the observer is a rook, he's kind of cornered and doesn't have that much space, sending a pawn would be much easier to do.

There we have it. Not only is noah not firebrand, not only is noah not in the white team, but I say he's on the black team, and a pawn even.


How do you explain Sarah then? She was (I guess you could say) on Noah's side, and when the Observer kills her, he says "black rook takes white pawn" would that not mean Noah is also a white pawn? I guess I can kinda buy into the whole, Noah is no chess piece and has a special purpose in the game, but I will need to see more evidence.


Imagine Kat and Sarah as white pawns and Noah as obviously black. Sarah and Noah were in front of each other, they just chatted and visited, but one couldn't take the other one out. However Kat was next to sarah, diagonal from Noah, meaning Noah could take her out.



Has anyone ever thought of the meaning behind the chess pieces in a more "literal" term, chess pieces, in the game of chess, "take" the enemies pieces, this could also support why the Observer wants to "take" Noah, he is a piece in the game, and I doubt black would take black in a game of chess, and also, maybe sarah is now part of the black collective, as "black rook has taken white pawn"

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alaitoc wrote:
bgchaosdude wrote:
alaitoc wrote:
bgchaosdude wrote:
Ok here we go...
Noah is a pawn and definitely not firebrand. The observer specifically mentions that
Quote:
There are innumerable candidates. And innumerable sessions

You know what that means? Yup, noah is just a pawn. There are others who could easily replace him, and in a game of chess a pawn is easily replaced and sometimes not even needed at all.

Hell, Noah might not even be a pawn, but a pre-black piece instead. The observer says
Quote:
you will become
but doesn't finish since he is disrupted by firebrand. Obviously Noah will become part of the collective, and when in a game of chess have you ever given your opponent a piece, let alone a king? The observer would have probably recruited Noah to his team if Firebrand didn't go all badass.

He might even be a black piece instead. I put my money that white is defending the journal, and black is trying to get it, and the observer is trying to get it. Since the observer is a rook, he's kind of cornered and doesn't have that much space, sending a pawn would be much easier to do.

There we have it. Not only is noah not firebrand, not only is noah not in the white team, but I say he's on the black team, and a pawn even.


How do you explain Sarah then? She was (I guess you could say) on Noah's side, and when the Observer kills her, he says "black rook takes white pawn" would that not mean Noah is also a white pawn? I guess I can kinda buy into the whole, Noah is no chess piece and has a special purpose in the game, but I will need to see more evidence.


Imagine Kat and Sarah as white pawns and Noah as obviously black. Sarah and Noah were in front of each other, they just chatted and visited, but one couldn't take the other one out. However Kat was next to sarah, diagonal from Noah, meaning Noah could take her out.



Has anyone ever thought of the meaning behind the chess pieces in a more "literal" term, chess pieces, in the game of chess, "take" the enemies pieces, this could also support why the Observer wants to "take" Noah, he is a piece in the game, and I doubt black would take black in a game of chess, and also, maybe sarah is now part of the black collective, as "black rook has taken white pawn"


The observer never wanted to take Noah out... he's just manipulating him to get the journal. And if you really mean by literal than sarah couldn't be in the collective since you can't transfer pieces after you've taken them
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