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[Tharol]

Think main thing is Jay with Tim got wet people.

[ieisuk]

Tim is pissed. I'm pretty sure that Hoody left that message for Tim. The folder wasn't labeled liar because Tim's been holding back, but Jay hasn't been fully honest. It was TO the LIAR If we dig deep here, Tim admitted he'd been going to the councellor's office for shit. This could be why Tim wailed on the wall. Tim is a victim.

[Chronologo]

TERRIFIC! Fantastic entry!

Something kind of troubles me, I don't know if this been mentioned before but I'm pretty sure this isn't the first time that Tim talks about his "job" and his "boss". Maybe this boss is something more.

[CraicIsMighty]

Didn't the lady at the antique store say that Tim walked in and told her he had a doctor's appointment? Why would he tell a total stranger that? Why was he at the antique store anyway? I know this seems kind of random, but I just remembered at the beginning of the season when Jay first ran into Tim he went to the antique store first. And it just seems kind of suspicious. Maybe Tim IS hiding something. I wonder if that creepy doll ties in somehow.

[FalloutGhoul]

[Serum]

[ledzepfilm]

Entry 64 and 65, synched up side by side to my best ability. Maybe this can have some use.



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[Killchrono]

Hey guys, long time lurker, first time poster here.

I'm not sure if this has been brought up - I've browsed this thread and could have missed it - but is it just me, or is the watery hole Tim climbs out of at about the 3:20 mark the same rabbit hole from Entry #21? The static-causing one Jay looked at briefly and was never, ever brought up again? I did a side-by-side comparison and the surroundings of both areas look the same, right down to the tree-branch Tim grabs on to pull himself out.

[Jingleman]

Regarding the significance of water, I've always been skeptical that the water motif was anything but generically symbolic of the things that water always symbolizes in poetry and literature: things like serenity, destruction, life and death, and so on, however we might like to read into it. This is the first time I see anything that really challenges that notion, but I'm still skeptical.

Tim's ordeal had him up in a tree and dragged through the woods, stumbling on trails and hallucinating in the hospital, as well as the water stuff. Why is the water the most significant thing? All of those other images and places have recurred, and most of them could be said to symbolize one thing or another. I think it's a stretch to start ascribing water-based powers to the Operator.

If there is a connection at all, then perhaps the dunking that Tim went through is a necessary component of his travel to the "dark place." If that is the case, and the submersion is necessary to reach it, then I might believe that TTA's many water images are allusions to that literal action or gateway or whatever. Until we see that for sure, though, I don't buy it. I think that water just looks cool on video with relatively low cost or effort, and it is versatile in its capacity to symbolize ideas and create different moods. I don't think there's anything more meaningful there than that, for the moment.

[Baronness]

Every time Tim needs an excuse to not immediately do something with Jay, he pulls the "I have to see if I still have a job" card.

Gettin' real tired of your shit, Tim.


EDIT: I am slightly surprised that the boiler room of the hospital isn't shown in this entry at all (that I noticed, anyway). It seemed to be important in previous creepy Entries.

[Jingleman]

I don't think that Tim intends to betray Jay, but I can see where the suspicion is coming from. He does two things here that are suspicious.

First, he refuses to talk to Jay when everyone else in the world knows that he should be explaining everything, immediately, and he gives lame excuses in the process. Honestly, the longer their alliance stands, and the more it looks like neither party is duplicitous, the more I wonder why they aren't doing everything they possibly can to engender trust in one another, thanking their lucky stars that they don't have to go it alone anymore. I just think they should both be eager to sit down and solidify their alliance by sharing all their information. But, whatever. The creators want to keep some tension in the alliance. They want to forestall the revelations a little, and keep some mystery about Tim in the process. That's fine.

The second suspicious thing Tim does is to suggest that they go to the hospital, which was the most significant (non-supernatural) place in his ordeal, after claiming that he remembers nothing since the attack. This could mean a number of things; I'll posit two. On the one hand, maybe Tim was trying to be deceptive, but he slipped, meaning that he really does remember something that he's keeping from Jay. That could mean something sinister, but it doesn't have to, if the thing to be revealed really must be seen to be understood (doubtful). Even if Tim's intentions are generally good, if he's still lying about what he remembers at this point and putting Jay in danger in the process, Jay will probably be pissed, and rightfully so.

On the other hand, maybe Tim really doesn't remember this most recent visit to the hospital. If that's the case, then why did he suddenly think that they should go there? Maybe whatever is at the hospital is something that Tim's been holding on to for a long time, maybe since childhood. Maybe he was hoping that he could solve his problems without having to reveal this thing to anyone, or maybe without having to face it himself. Maybe something about the latest episode convinced Tim that he can't keep it to himself any longer: maybe the severity of the attack convinced him that the danger is greater than he thought, or the fact that he was attacked even with "backup," or some kind of echo of the attack presented as a nightmare, or maybe he was left with some kind of vague feeling that something bad happened at the hospital during the attack, even if he doesn't remember.

The point is, it's possible that Tim came to the conclusion that they have to go to the hospital without remembering that he'd just been there. The more important The Thing to be Revealed ^TM is, the more likely that he'd come to that conclusion on his own after an attack - because it would be more likely that it's something he's been holding back until he's truly desperate or feels mortally threatened and unable to live in denial any longer. I think we're about to learn a lot about Tim's motives and what he has and has not known all along.

[Axebeard]

It's also possible that Tim did some wandering around in the hospital when he woke up from his pill adventure, since the camera was probably dead by then. All he really needs to have done to think they should go back to the hospital is have woken up there. For all we know after he woke up he found something. Maybe it's, like, really cool graffiti of the Operator and when he brings Jay there he'll just be like "Yeah I thought it was pretty cool" and Jay will nod and then they'll leave.

I am confident Troy will find a way to make that not filler.

[Killchrono]

I honestly don't think Tim's going to betray Jay. I just reckon Tim's in the same boat in that he's had to hide some stuff because he wasn't fully trusting of Jay. And why wouldn't he? If I found out the guy who was acting like a total creeper about some crappy student film was filming footage of me and putting it on the internet without telling me, I'd be untrusting of him too. That's not even taking into account the irrational emotional responses in response to things like Jay's own reasons for not trusting Tim, Jay not actually being to blame for Tim not knowing about Masky, etc.

I reckon what's happened is that Tim's either known something important all along and he didn't want to tell Jay because, well, trust issues, or he suppressed the memories of whatever happened at the hospital and going back after being Slender-raped has re-awakened them. Could potentially be what's caused his Masky personality; a lot of split-personalities occur as a result of traumatic experiences, so it could be his way of dealing with it.

[paladin181]

Poly-dimensional being tried to kill me.

Need to check with my boss about my job.

That's a pretty poor writing exercise guys.

[Killchrono]