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[VIDEO] Entry 65
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catgirl789
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UnicronCharlie wrote:
Hi everyone, long time lurker.
I've had an idea floating around in my head for a while now. We can't really explain how Tim was able to escape Slendyland (unless, of course, TO was just toying with him) but we have evidence that might work. During Tim's time in Slendyland, we see him having a seizure - this indicates that he's switching from Tim to Masky (Entry 61). This switch may have been triggered by Tim being under severe stress, or him being without his pills, or it is his defence against TO. We've seen Masky as being fairly strong and agressive - physical attributes that don't really matter when you're being thrown around by TO - but Masky also has little to no emotion. Perhaps Masky is a sociopath.

I've also noticed that it seems TO causes more distortion in the videos depending on the amount of fear/anger in the scene. For example, in Entry 17, TO is standing directly behind Tim, in very close proximity to the camera. Unless TO does have the ability to direct his distortion powers (as people think he did with Tim's chest cam - I'll touch on this later), that camera should have been affected. Nobody noticed TO in Entry 17; nobody was scared or angry. Now lets look at every time somebody spots TO. Even if TO is on camera, that doesn't mean it will start to create severe audio and video distortions (many instances during season 1, when TO is more creepy to the characters and less of a threat) and if the character in close proximity to TO is calm, the distortions are also calmer (Entry 43, when Alex approaches TO. Entry 44, or any entry that involves sleeping is also a good example). As soon as people begin to panic, the distortions become more intense, as if TO's powers are growing stronger. Anger also seems to incite more distortion as well. This does sound a little cheesy, but what if TO feeds off of fear/anger?

If this is the case, then Tim's mind developed Masky over the years as a defence mechanism to TO. Since Masky (presumably) feels no emotion, TO's powers are severely limited. This might also shed light on why Alex was never terribly affected by TO when they seemed to be teamed up. Alex was not being controlled by TO - Alex learned how to suppress his emotions around TO. Therefore, TO's powers were limited and decided to team up with Alex for whatever reasons, perhaps for a similar goal.

To return to "TO can direct his powers", I think that Tim was simply more scared than Jay as they were walking through Rosswood. Jay has done a pretty good job at keeping his cool throughout the series, but Tim has been incredibly hesitant throughout season 3 and I can imagine he was very terrified about the possibility of things going wrong. Anyways, I apologize for the bulky post but I just wanted to present these ideas and see what you all think.


I like this whole "Feeds off of emotions" theory. It would kind of explain why he creeps on people, to cause and suck up their delicious fear. Though I'm leaning toward the camp of the chest cam being distorted because of damage from the Dark World.

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Lytrigian
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Foood wrote:
One of the points I was trying to make in my original post was that interplanar travel may be happening in all of these cases. We just never saw it until now.


We have no other reason to think so, though. And sometimes we've seen "teleportation" happen -- interplanar travel may be presumed -- but no memory loss ensued, such as Entry 23.

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In Season 1 we saw that perfectly mundane shoots from the original Marble Hornets movie were totally gone from Jay's memory. He had even forgotten the extent of his involvement in the project, and much of that had to involve ordinary meeting, organizational tasks, paperwork, extensive conversations... Nothing to do with the Operator at all. All gone.


Entry 17 is the only event that really comes to mind, and there was a big scary distortion at the end of that. Who knows what could've happened after.

We have good reason to believe that Jay remembers next to nothing about what he did on Marble Hornets. Entry 15 has him interviewing Tim, and neither he nor Tim appear to remember each other when they plainly should have. (If Tim remembered Jay, his natural answer to some of the questions should have been, "What the hell are you asking ME for? You were on the set as much as I was!") In Entry 20 we have a "special featurette" bit that Jay also doesn't remember, where we find out he was the script supervisor for the film, and he didn't even recall THAT much.

For Jay to have forgotten that much due to interplanar travel, it must have been virtually routine for MH cast and crew -- and yet this amnesia somehow didn't interfere with work on the film in progress until Alex called the whole thing off. That makes it really difficult, I think, to sustain the idea of memory wipes as a side effect of something else.

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Killchrono
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Dreveth wrote:
aidansean wrote:
Killchrono wrote:
Hey guys, long time lurker, first time poster here.

I'm not sure if this has been brought up - I've browsed this thread and could have missed it - but is it just me, or is the watery hole Tim climbs out of at about the 3:20 mark the same rabbit hole from Entry #21? The static-causing one Jay looked at briefly and was never, ever brought up again? I did a side-by-side comparison and the surroundings of both areas look the same, right down to the tree-branch Tim grabs on to pull himself out.


An interesting idea, but I'm having trouble seeing it. I looked at the two videos side by side and it looks like there's a much bigger root structure in Entry #65 than in Entry #21. Am I looking at the wrong thing?


Maybe not. After all, Tim was taken in Rosswood. The Static Hole is in another forest, right?


Well, it's not like Tim was exactly staying in the one locale when he was being teleported around Razz

elford wrote:
That's true! I forgot that! Also, it can't actually be the same one, if the original was dug up, but it explains that static being in an otherwise mundane hole. I like that they kind of explained that.


There's nothing to say they just filled it back in and made it look as close as possible to the original. Besides, if it is the static hole, that means they went out of their way to fill it up with water just for this entry, so it's entirely possible they reconstructed it.

CraicIsMighty wrote:
Yeah, the static hole is back in the same forest where the red tower is in College Town. (The town where Jay lived in Season 1) which is far enough away from Rosswood Town that "they'd have to split gas money". I personally think the static hole was just some random creepiness they threw into that entry. That was season 1 after all, that was before they got their shit together. It's hard to tell which ideas from season 1 are still being used. (I was pretty surprised when the slender doll showed up again in entry 60)


Well that's just it, there are still a lot of unanswered threads from season 1, and even though a lot of it was random at the time, there's nothing to say they're not going to use it or find a long-term purpose for them. The static hole being used again makes a helluva lot more sense than a lot of other theories that have less credible evidence.

Ala gas money - I'm not too familiar with the filming locations, but would the Red Tower really be that far from where the creators live or where Rosswood is filmed? I always thought a lot of the 'out-of-town' stuff in-universe wasn't really as far away in real life.

Anyways, I could be entirely wrong about that place being the Static Hole, it's just speculation. My train of thought is that places like the tunnel in Rosswood and the Static Hole near the red tower are linked together somehow, like they have portals that transport you between them. Maybe the dark world where Beardy's body was is like a junction for those portals?

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Killchrono wrote:
Well, it's not like Tim was exactly staying in the one locale when he was being teleported around Razz

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OOG, the Red Tower is in Oak Mountain State Park, just south of Birmningham, and that's where they filmed all those related scenes. "Rosswood Park" is Munny Sokol Park near Tuscaloosa. The two are about 65 miles apart as the crow flies; probably closer to 100 driving distance. I can't see them driving 100 miles just to get a few seconds of footage in order to make a connection virtually no one will see.


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^ Agree, I find it amusing that people are analyzing something which even in a narratological level would be pointless and not important instead of, let's say, Tim hitting the wall with the metal tube (I know it's been adresses, I'm just making an example here), or saying that the dead guy wasn't Bruce.

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I'm also beginning to think that The Operator can't actually kill anyone and needs to use a "host" to do it. That's what he's using Alex for. Perhaps Alex is nothing more than a mind-controlled victim? It's also looking like The Operator may have been originally been Tim's doctor but rather than help him, he performed sadistic tests on him. He was eventually found out and was killed at Rosswood, perhaps by being burned or drowned. Now he's a malicious ghost trying to get revenge on Tim and his circle of childhood friends. He apparently failed to achieve his objective the first time, as at the very least, Tim survived the attack on the Marble Hornets set. When Jay started investigating the tapes, The Operator was able to resurface and attempt to kill everyone again.

If The Operator's objective is to kill those involved with the Marble Hornets shoot other than possibly Alex, the targets we know are still alive are Jay and Tim. However, Alex told Jay to leave in entry #64 and didn't show up to help out The Operator. Either that was Alex trying to help out during a moment in which he managed to shake off TO's control or Jay and Tim aren't the only ones alive. TO and Alex may be trying to use them as bait to lure out Hoody(Brian or Seth?) and possibly totheark, if totheark is a separate person.

UnicronCharlie wrote:
If this is the case, then Tim's mind developed Masky over the years as a defence mechanism to TO. Since Masky (presumably) feels no emotion, TO's powers are severely limited.


It would make a lot of sense if Masky is less vulnerable to TO than Tim. Hoody seems to think that Tim's better off as Masky and that may be why.

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Why do Masky and Hoody cause distortion? The kind of distortion that seems the camera is under water or something

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I think it's definitely Bruce. We saw him wearing a white button up shirt before, which was clearly left behind after TO took him (as seen in Entry 29) which explains its absence in 65. It would also be uncharacteristic of the creators to use the corpse of an unknown character as a red herring. You know how Troy feels about filler. Besides, the fact that Tim was taken at the precise location where Bruce was killed and also taken would lead one to assume that they ended up in the same place.

I would also like to point out that this entry possibly explains totheark's message from Operator: Lakes In Stillness will Take Every life of the Night

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I think the only reason the Operator hasn't done a lot to physically harm any of the characters is to build up what he can and will do later on... and I expect that it will be horrific, but still so vague that it has to be interpreted as to what happens. (Like everything else he does.)

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TheOperator wrote:
I'm also beginning to think that The Operator can't actually kill anyone and needs to use a "host" to do it. That's what he's using Alex for. Perhaps Alex is nothing more than a mind-controlled victim?

Myself, I've always figured that Alex whispering "don't follow me!" was him fighting the influence.

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onetruepurple wrote:
TheOperator wrote:
I'm also beginning to think that The Operator can't actually kill anyone and needs to use a "host" to do it. That's what he's using Alex for. Perhaps Alex is nothing more than a mind-controlled victim?

Myself, I've always figured that Alex whispering "don't follow me!" was him fighting the influence.


That's what I thought. Alex seems somewhat aware that filming himself brings the Operator to him, so he might be against it seeing how he wanted to burn the tapes.

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onetruepurple wrote:
TheOperator wrote:
I'm also beginning to think that The Operator can't actually kill anyone and needs to use a "host" to do it. That's what he's using Alex for. Perhaps Alex is nothing more than a mind-controlled victim?

Myself, I've always figured that Alex whispering "don't follow me!" was him fighting the influence.


It's definitely possible, but my opinion is that he doesn't want Jay interfering with whatever TO's goals are. It can't just be revenge on Tim and Jay et al, as Alex seems to have been meeting with TO for months without doing anything to them. I think his former friendship with them may be what kept him from trying to kill them for so long, but there has to be another reason that he doesn't want them around in the first place.

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I just had a bit of a thought, possible revelation, and I thought I'd post it here. I know this is odd coming from the guy who said "we can't understand The Operator," but it makes an odd sense, and it all goes back to the camera's and early footage, so hear me out.

Think about the early footage, where there is no distortion when The Operator is on camera. What does this mean? That there's some kind of control, or perhaps limit on The Operator's influence.

Okay, so, what was the difference between the early footage and the current stuff? Well, in the beginning, both Alex and Jay shared a morbid curiosity in who The Operator was. "Who's that guy on my porch?" is a different reaction than "Oh god, no, The Operator." However, the more they investigated, the more they found disturbing, and then we start to get distortion. When people see The Operator, they flee instinctively, and now we're seeing The Operator teleport people through reality and completely garble footage. Again, think about the early stuff, the footage damage was minor, missing and distorted audio, flickering, etc.

So what? What's the difference between then and now?

Fear.

I know I'm gonna sound nuttier than squirrel poop, but I think The Operator feeds off of or is energized or can amplify and manipulate fear. What proof do I have apart from the footage? Alex. When Jay snuck into his apartment and then fled, The Operator was right on Alex, there was no chance of escape... and yet he confronts him shortly after. Alex doesn't fear the Operator anymore, or as much as anyone else, so the Operator couldn't take him. Same thing goes for Masky and TTA, they don't fear The Operator, so we don't see them directly influenced by him. Tim is terrified of The Operator though, and look what happened to him in Entry 65.

One last point: What about the filming of Marble Hornets? They all forgot about it, forgot everything. Jay can't even recall a thing about it apart from the title, and he played a key role in it, supervising the script. The Operator stalked them all, and they hunted him at some point, and then they forgot it all. That's why they were safe! The Operator had no influence over Jay between Marble Hornets... and starting to watch the tapes. Why was Jay able to be free? I don't know, this has something to do with The Ark likely, but I don't know yet.

Sorry for the ramblings, and thank you for listening.

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^ Refer to the Entry #14 thread for further discussion about early and after distortion.

And that's some fancy explanation, but to me it just works the way arround: people are the ones which causes distortion. That's why even Jessica has had some without the Operator appearing. Nothing about Slendy feeding on fear like some dementor or anything. And, as stated in Entry #14 thread, in a non-narratological aspect, it was just that Trosephim hadn't decided to use it so much as they did later. That's it.
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But Jay never caused any distortion...
They often happen when one of the characters is yelling (anger, fear, confusion). Jessica, Tim... and whenever Hoody and Masky are around. It cant be a coincidence!

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