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Badger
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Ep 3 ends in Brooklyn at the Atlantic Avenue Station (just after the yellow and orange lines cross the blue line).Captain is on the B line, Mulligan is on the D line, Crothers is on the N line, Tom is on the Q line. This mostly comes from the colored backgrounds around the characters. Tom and the Q line is a bit odd, but I think he starts at the Ninja star and catches up with the rest of the crew.

In Ep 5, it gets fuzzy for me, but I think that the Captain takes the B to the end of the line, then turns back north on the Q and gets off at Neck Ave or Ave U (Lady Luck has hit the end of the line and turned back the other way. I'm up to my collar (neck) in turds). It's plausible that the characters wind up at different Ave U stations on different lines - but that's just a guess.

However, the announcer names clearly take you to Ave U & Flatbush Ave.

My guess is that Ep 6 doesn't tell you anything, really. I bet that the commissioned the comic book with clues to get you to Ave U and Flatbush, and then later edited the script to move some of these clues into Ep 5. That is, I think production changes made Ep 6 redundant. (I thinks I'm am stupider than I was before).

PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:38 am
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ccl28
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Badger wrote:
Ep 3 ends in Brooklyn at the Atlantic Avenue Station (just after the yellow and orange lines cross the blue line).Captain is on the B line, Mulligan is on the D line, Crothers is on the N line, Tom is on the Q line. This mostly comes from the colored backgrounds around the characters. Tom and the Q line is a bit odd, but I think he starts at the Ninja star and catches up with the rest of the crew..


In my ep 5 thread, I say where I think everyone is:
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=32090

Captain - travelling SE on the B train near Coney Island
Mulligan - travelling SE on the D train near Coney Island
Crothers - travelling SE on the Q train near Coney Island
Black Tom - Travelling W (not E) on the A/C train near the Hoyt Station
Parrot - Dropped off the D train somewhere in Brooklyn

I think Tom is heading west because glove and boots were heading west when he joins them. It seems to work with my bus routes for Ep5:

BLACK TOM'S PATH
I am going to begin with Black Tom's path because it is the easiest one. The only hard part is realizing that he was travelling west on the blue line and not east. To associate a clue to Black Tom, you look for changes to his cards, chip stack, percent chance of winning, chip total (when he makes a bet), or commentator remarks during his turn.

TOM CLUE 1:
Tom is dealt a JJ. The 'J' is for the Jay Street Station.

TOM CLUE 2:
When Tom bets at the flop, the chip total becomes $2,734. Centered above the '2' is a '6' of spades. Read this as 62. Tom takes the 62 bus.

TOM CLUE 3:
Tom turns his JJ into QQ and his % to win goes to 69%. He gets on the 69 bus.

TOM CLUE 4:
When Tom changes his JJ to QQ, the commentator says "He traded his jacks for queens." The B62 intersects the Q69 at Jackson Ave and Queens Blvd. These types of confirmations are are all over ep 5. Until you find them, it's possible you are completely off track.

The Q69 may be the last bus for Tom in this episode. The Q69 passes by Hell Gate. Perhaps he took the Q100 (his % to win goes to 100% when he wins). It's also possible that he takes the Q69 to St. Michael's Cemetery. I believe St Michaels is the cemetery in ep6. St Michael is archangel Michael and the cemetery in ep6 has a statue of the archangel Michael.

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Sickshot
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Another question I have is whether there is a clue that tells you how far down to dig.
In the picture in the NYT article the hole looked pretty deep. And I know they said all along that you'd KNOW when you got it, but it seems that the spot wasn't obviously marked like "dig here". What if someone gave up after getting a foot deep, which is feasible?
A clue telling you how deep could be the answer but I can't think of anything that would fit.

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Badger
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Sickshot,

I think that the NYT article said that they nailed a skull & crossbones to the tree about the spot to dig. I think that would have been enough to keep going until you hit something.

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maskit
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The only advice Vinny and Damien gave to searchers was in a May 2011 interview. They said people were looking too closely at every detail and not seeing the big picture.

You didn't need every clue in Episode 1 to get to the subway station at Columbus Circle. In fact, you could have gotten there simply by solving the clues about the Maine Monument. Of course the final solution may prove every clue was needed for another purpose like a cipher, but right now it seems to me you didn't need them all. That's why I just kept coming back to Coney Island as being the big picture. Clue after clue pointed there. Well at least in my mind it did!

Here's how I read the Port of Cortland clue. Lots of people danced around it, but I never saw anyone post what I thought it meant. We are specifically supposed to be looking for the only NY subway station that has 5 of something in particular, the most of any station. Mulligan says the most he's seen is 4, but the Captain reminds him of the Port of Cortland which has 5. I believe they are talking about transfer lines. There is only one station in NY with 5 transfer lines and that's Times Square. You can transfer to 4 different lines there and if you walk through a tunnel you can access a fifth one at 42nd St /Port Authority. That is the one you can't see.

The lines are not the same as the colors or letters on the Subway trains, but instead the NAME of the line. The name has to do with the system it's travelling on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_York_City_Subway_transfer_stations

So the Port of Cortland is Times Square, but it is crossed out on the list shown in the episode, so I don't think you were supposed to stop there. Mulligan is very intent on the most being 4. There are only 2 other stations with access to 4 separate lines.. Fulton Street and Coney Island/ Stillwell both have 4. They are currently building a tunnel to connect Fulton with Cortlandt Street which will then give Fulton 5.

I think the name "Port of Cortland" was made up by taking parts from the names of these 3 stations.. "Port" from Port Authority, "Cort" from Cortlandt and "land" from Coney Island.

Since the colors behind the pirates in Episode 3 is orange, orange, yellow, yellow, I again thought Mulligan was pointing us toward Coney Island, which has 2 orange subway and 2 yellow train services. Even though there are just 2 colors used there are actually 4 separate lines at Stillwell (BMT Brighton, IND Culver, BMT Sea Beach, and BMT West End).

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Brick
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maskit wrote:
The only advice Vinny and Damien gave to searchers was in a May 2011 interview. They said people were looking too closely at every detail and not seeing the big picture.

That hint (which also said that it was necessary to sit down with a pen and paper in your hands) just confirmed to us that Mulligan's Clue of All Clues was that we should "retrace their steps" by drawing lines along their paths, which we expected to trace out some kind of image. This was one of the biggest red herrings we encountered.

maskit wrote:
Here's how I read the Port of Cortland clue. Lots of people danced around it, but I never saw anyone post what I thought it meant. We are specifically supposed to be looking for the only NY subway station that has 5 of something in particular, the most of any station. Mulligan says the most he's seen is 4, but the Captain reminds him of the Port of Cortland which has 5. I believe they are talking about transfer lines. There is only one station in NY with 5 transfer lines and that's Times Square. You can transfer to 4 different lines there and if you walk through a tunnel you can access a fifth one at 42nd St /Port Authority. That is the one you can't see.

I'll have to think more about your overall theory, but here is one detail that can be seen to corroborate your idea: In the scene that you are describing, Mulligan wins the debate with the Captain and is therefore shown to be an expert on ports. Therefore, one might also call him a port authority.

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Agreed on all things Coney Island

http://citynoise.org/article/9329 THIS was of high intrigue to me


Now that it's done .. if you remember the episode with the comic book ad .. the return received in the mail was a Sesame Street toothbrush and a mini toothpaste. Casper, Wyoming is the town where one of the puppet guys grew up ... not thinking it was ever a reference to the Friendly Ghost.

- thought for certain THIS (The Parachute Jump) was the "crow's nest" ... when the ride was active , people would descend 250 feet via parachute to the ground.

I dig all the baseball references ... MCU Park (home of The Brooklyn Cyclones) is right next to The Parachute Jump.



The Cyclones mascot is "Sandy The Seagull" .. the team released a (kayfabed) back story that Sandy The Seagull nested at the top of The Crow's nest, fell , and landed near home plate right before The Cyclones' initial Opening Day and was deemed their mascot. The Parachute Jump was also deemed dangerous due to getting struck by lightning (cue lightning storm with Mulligan in Crow's Nest).

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Where better for pirates made by two fellas from Gravesend Brooklyn to bury a treasure but on an abandoned boat in the creek of Coney Island?

lol , Clearly in the woods of a field under a skull & crossbones sign would be the correct answer.

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imanygirl
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Yeah

George--Kaplan wrote:


Where better for pirates made by two fellas from Gravesend Brooklyn to bury a treasure but on an abandoned boat in the creek of Coney Island?

lol , Clearly in the woods of a field under a skull & crossbones sign would be the correct answer.


That's where I spent a good amount of time trying to fit in the clues. There are more "buried" boats they call them the Ghost Ships, so that was an obvious possibility.

I had started to catch on to the 5 diamonds on the flags and there were a couple other baseball references that brought me back to the Brooklyn Cyclones, but only because they were the only baseball field near Coney Island.

Of course, in hindsight, there is a big "X" on the map, "marking the spot" of Floyd Bennett Field, and Dead Horse Bay, Army/Marine references, etc. but the more I think about it, the more I realize that the likelihood of someone correctly following all the clues to the particular tree with the skull is virtually zero. It's too bad.

I am surprised I am as sad as I am that it's over. I hadn't been looking for it from the beginning, but I spent quite a bit of time on it and had fun trying to figure it out. It's not something someone can do in one afternoon or even a week. For me, I did it in bursts. Sometimes I thought about clues while I was on the subway or waiting in line somewhere. I kept thinking about acronyms for Tutty (Treasure Under The _ _...?). I would replay certain phrases in my head and think of the double meanings, like peers/piers, musseled/muscled, etc. I don't know. I'm just sad about it being over. I liked having that unique hope and not even so much hope of actually finding it, but hope that I'm going to get the next clue or come close. I wish someone would do something like this again. I don't even care so much about the money as I do about the process of solving it, although money is always an incentive, of course Smile

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maskit
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Even before the contest started there was a possible hint for Coney Island. I was never sure about this one at all , but I mentally filed it away just in case.

In the pirate interview video released before the hunt began there is a film poster in the background. The small print includes this phrase: "locations by Jim Beard". If you go to his website this album cover is on the home page along with sound effects of people who seem to be having fun at an amusement park.

http://www.jimbeard.com/




This is Lynn's Trapeze in Luna Park at Coney Island.



This type of flying swing is not that common. I thought the similarities were really striking.

So even before the first video I wondered if an amusement park might have some bearing on the treasure. Of course, the Jim Beard reference might mean nothing at all.

Here's a kind of blurry screenshot of the writing on the poster.
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imanygirl
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Final thought

OK, this is my last thought on the matter. I really think they should have given us more closure. I'm happy the treasure went to a good cause, but that is a separate issue from ending the search.

It's like reading a really long, complicated book and having someone come and tell you, "Btw, the lead character dies," but not saying how or explaining anything more and taking the book away so you can't read it yourself to find out what happens. I'm upset with the way they handled the end of the search. Again, that's a separate issue from the actual treasure, which I'm not upset about. I just think the least they could do for all the people who spent time and effort and heart into finding this, was to make a final video or at least come out with a step-by-step analysis and explanation. I don't know. The fun was in finding clues and figuring things out, but if I never know if I was right or wrong or close then it was all a complete waste of time and that is what really bothers me, I think. Just give us some closure. I mean, I don't think that is asking too much, do you?

Anyway, this will be my final post here. I have spent too much time as it is on something that is making me feel badly at this point. Good luck- in general- to everyone and I wish you all the best. Take care!

Alyson

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maskit
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imanygirl,

The puppeteers ARE going to list the clues. They have said so on both Facebook and the WLOG homepage. I personally am very glad they are waiting a few days before doing it, though. It gives a chance for people to post their ideas and do some reverse engineering which is part of the fun. I trust Vinny and Damien. Actually, after all this time, I feel like I know them. They will post the solution.

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Brick
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Re: Yeah

imanygirl wrote:
I liked having that unique hope and not even so much hope of actually finding it, but hope that I'm going to get the next clue or come close. I wish someone would do something like this again.

It is worth pointing out that this is exactly the reaction that the creators of We Lost Our Gold were trying to achieve. As they put it on the FAQ page on welostourgold.com:
We've always wanted to experience the excitement of searching for pirate treasure, so we decided to give that feeling to everyone else.

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ccl28
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Let's try not to give these guys a hard time at this point. I think there is a chance they might do another hunt. As far as I can tell, they haven't said no to anyone yet. It would be even better than the first one because we would know that it is real and we would have some experience with the types of clues they use. Hopefully, they won't have any homages in the next one.

Let's face it, NOBODY was remotely close to solving this. We had no shot at all. Some people searched FBF, just like they searched every other place in NYC. The North Forty woods are huge. Even if you knew it was in there, it's still nearly impossible to find at random.

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George--Kaplan
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YouTube: Link


This is something that's bothered me and my buddy for a long time.
Go to 19 seconds in and pause. Go full screen.

This is the trailer video for the hunt. The 19 second mark shows the Coney Island Boardwalk. Look at it closely. There's several people shown in the video. Note the man in the leather jacket on the right hand side above the Tilly face garbage can has his face blurred. Okay his face is blurred, perhaps no big deal but that shows that the video was touched up and raises the question as to why the gentleman in the foreground's face is not blurred. Now right behind the man with the blurred face you see three girls sitting by a gazebo. Am I crazy or is that an ARROW right over them?

There is nothing near any of the gazebos on that boardwalk resembling that 'arrow'. If you go frame by frame the arrow appears to move ever so slightly as if it was drawn in frame by frame.

Anyone else seeing this?

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