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[VIDEO] Entry 65
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Malckeor
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 		Yeah, maybe he was just feeling miserable, but the fact that he just drove away from Jay combined with the childhood-demented-insane-tantrum he had in the hospital, makes me believe that Tim became Masky. The crying in Entry 61 shown after he made the switch, I believe, was shown deliberately for us to draw similarities between 61's fit and 65's fit; IMO, at least at SOME point in Entry 65, Tim entered Masky state. I'm also in the camp that "Masky" itself (or at least the early stages of some or all "transformations") is Tim reverting back to his childhood state of mind. The way that Tim acted/looked around/moved in Entry 61 after his crying reminded me of a child for some reason.

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Malckeor wrote:

Also, something worth noting: After watching 65 with headphones, I realized that you can actually hear Tim's heartbeat stop shortly after he falls over, but then it starts up again right before the video goes to black. Someone else probably pointed this out, but in case they didn't, I did.


You can also kinda see it as well (the camera moves slightly on the rhythm of his heartbeat, until it stops for a short while IIRC).

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Malckeor wrote:
Yeah, maybe he was just feeling miserable, but the fact that he just drove away from Jay combined with the childhood-demented-insane-tantrum he had in the hospital, makes me believe that Tim became Masky. The crying in Entry 61 shown after he made the switch, I believe, was shown deliberately for us to draw similarities between 61's fit and 65's fit; IMO, at least at SOME point in Entry 65, Tim entered Masky state. I'm also in the camp that "Masky" itself (or at least the early stages of some or all "transformations") is Tim reverting back to his childhood state of mind. The way that Tim acted/looked around/moved in Entry 61 after his crying reminded me of a child for some reason.


I agree. A friend of mine IRL theorized that Tim is reverting to childhood when he becomes Masky, and that's how Hoody uses him. He also thought that Masky might trust Hoody (rather than attack him on sight like he's done with everyone else) because he feels a childlike kinship with the only other character who hides his face.

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missingnocchi wrote:

He also thought that Masky might trust Hoody (rather than attack him on sight like he's done with everyone else) because he feels a childlike kinship with the only other character who hides his face.


Ooooo, I hadn't thought of that. That's pretty interesting.

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 		People seem to forget that Tim's exhibited a variety of behaviors when he's gone into his masked state. He's attacked people on sight before, sure, but he's also spied on people without attacking, and he's deliberately led Jay along a desired path on two separate occasions, both of which were attack-free, meaning that at least some of the time he's wearing the mask, he's capable of restraint and at least some amount of strategy. Basically, Tim's masked behavior isn't so easily classified. Was Tim in such a state in entry 65? Very possible, but we won't know for sure until we learn more. Also not convinced that the hooded man has manipulated Tim beyond swiping his pills that one time. We've seen no indication that the hooded guy was even around back in season 1, when Tim was the only visible antagonist in Jay's life.

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 		I think the end of 64 (tim's eyes) heavily implied that he was

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MaesterTed wrote:
Malckeor wrote:

Also, something worth noting: After watching 65 with headphones, I realized that you can actually hear Tim's heartbeat stop shortly after he falls over, but then it starts up again right before the video goes to black. Someone else probably pointed this out, but in case they didn't, I did.

You can also kinda see it as well (the camera moves slightly on the rhythm of his heartbeat, until it stops for a short while IIRC).

Indeed.
It sounds like Tim went through some sort of "reboot" in a sense.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Please wait. Timdows is restarting...


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missingnocchi wrote:
DaturaStramonium wrote:
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Jay: Why did you make all those cryptic videos?

Unmasked Hoody: Oh, I just wanted to torment you.

No. Just no. Hoody most likely speaks the language of the ToTheArk videos and won't be very cooperative if/when he ever gets unmasked.


Agreed. I could only imagine, if getting unmasked forcefully, that Hoody would act demented and esoteric to the point of Jay not really obtaining any information until he's thought about it.


I disagree. TTA's videos aren't just a peek into his/her/its mind, they are the result of countless hours of obsessive and deliberate video editing. TTA may be crazy, but he/she/it's the contemplative, genius kind of crazy, not the "demented" kind.


Okay fine, "genius" kind of crazy. But I can't imagine a captured Hoody telling Jay that he spent hours editing videos just to give him little hints, most of which fly right over Jay's head. TTA has an agenda of some sort, and if he's mentally capable of expressing it properly, why doesn't he?


Because, TTA doesn't want just anyone to be able to decode the messages.

I think all of the coded messages are a way of protecting TTA from TO.

My personal theory is that right now TTA and TO are two opposing forces who are both struggling with the ARK. Either both of them are engaged in a race to get to it first, or TO is attempting to stop TTA from reaching it, for it will be TO's downfall.

I think TO's powers of technological manipulation scare TTA, and make TTA very weary of trusting anyone with his/her/their (IMHO TTA is a 'them') plans to defeat TO. I also think that if hoody is de-masked the person behind the hood will be perfectly capable of speaking coherently.

But will they? That's another question.

(Edited for clarification and grammar)

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Geneaux486 wrote:
People seem to forget that Tim's exhibited a variety of behaviors when he's gone into his masked state. He's attacked people on sight before, sure, but he's also spied on people without attacking, and he's deliberately led Jay along a desired path on two separate occasions, both of which were attack-free, meaning that at least some of the time he's wearing the mask, he's capable of restraint and at least some amount of strategy. Basically, Tim's masked behavior isn't so easily classified. Was Tim in such a state in entry 65? Very possible, but we won't know for sure until we learn more. Also not convinced that the hooded man has manipulated Tim beyond swiping his pills that one time. We've seen no indication that the hooded guy was even around back in season 1, when Tim was the only visible antagonist in Jay's life.


Entry 61 makes it pretty clear that Hoody is or is part of totheark. Totheark was involved in the entries at Brian's house, and was the one to tell Jay that there were 'doors unopened'. Masky was the one to lead Jay to said doors, implying that even then they were working together.

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missingnocchi wrote:
Entry 61 makes it pretty clear that Hoody is or is part of totheark. Totheark was involved in the entries at Brian's house, and was the one to tell Jay that there were 'doors unopened'. Masky was the one to lead Jay to said doors, implying that even then they were working together.


Entry 61 proves that the hooded man is most likely involved in totheark now, and probably at least as early as his first appearance during the lost seven months, but it doesn't prove that he was involved in any of the events of season 1. Whether or not he was active during that time remains to be seen.

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Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Please wait. Timdows is restarting...


To make matters worse, he's running on Timdows Vista, so God knows what could happen...

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Geneaux486 wrote:
missingnocchi wrote:
Entry 61 makes it pretty clear that Hoody is or is part of totheark. Totheark was involved in the entries at Brian's house, and was the one to tell Jay that there were 'doors unopened'. Masky was the one to lead Jay to said doors, implying that even then they were working together.


Entry 61 proves that the hooded man is most likely involved in totheark now, and probably at least as early as his first appearance during the lost seven months, but it doesn't prove that he was involved in any of the events of season 1. Whether or not he was active during that time remains to be seen.


That's true, but at the very least I would say that totheark, with or without Hoody, was working with Masky from near the beginning. When Tim first appeared in Entry 15 he was in a normal state of mind, with a totheark video having been released only a week prior. This means that even if Masky is part of totheark, there have always been other members. Masky seems to have been their field agent for a long time. I don't have any specific evidence that the relationship was a controlling one, but I do find that his actions make more sense if you assume that he's a childish alterego who is under totheark's control. We'll probably find out soon enough anyway.

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 		Everyone should keep in mind two things.

1. Hoody is the most knowledgeable character we have right now.

2. We still don't know why he keeps calling tim/masky a liar, or what exactly he's lying about.

I can guarantee that hoody isn't wrong though. Tim knows more than he is leading on in my opinion.

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Foood wrote:
missingnocchi wrote:
DaturaStramonium wrote:
Foood wrote:


Jay: Why did you make all those cryptic videos?

Unmasked Hoody: Oh, I just wanted to torment you.

No. Just no. Hoody most likely speaks the language of the ToTheArk videos and won't be very cooperative if/when he ever gets unmasked.


Agreed. I could only imagine, if getting unmasked forcefully, that Hoody would act demented and esoteric to the point of Jay not really obtaining any information until he's thought about it.


I disagree. TTA's videos aren't just a peek into his/her/its mind, they are the result of countless hours of obsessive and deliberate video editing. TTA may be crazy, but he/she/it's the contemplative, genius kind of crazy, not the "demented" kind.


Okay fine, "genius" kind of crazy. But I can't imagine a captured Hoody telling Jay that he spent hours editing videos just to give him little hints, most of which fly right over Jay's head. TTA has an agenda of some sort, and if he's mentally capable of expressing it properly, why doesn't he?


I think Hoody can scry into the future or something of the sorts. If he told Jay exactly what would happen it would alter the events the follow it.

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 		Wow, just watched this episode and was blown away by Tim! It felt so awful, seeing what he must have seen when he was attacked, I especially like the part where he was running through the woods yelling for Jay. Yes, he told him to run and leave him, but that doesn't mean that he wasn't scared to death! Then somehow he got to the hospital and had that episode, maybe became Masky, and finally became coherant enough to call Jay and leave him a message.

Now I've read where people think Tim might try to betray Jay, and I can't say for sure, but I wonder if he remembers more than he's let on. The reason why he might not want to tell Jay is that maybe it affects Jay for some reason, or maybe it's so weird that he's like "this is the only place I can tell him". That doesn't mean that the Operator won't show up, but I don't think Tim has intentions of sacrifising Jay.

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