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Things you NEVER want to hear/see in a Slenderseries
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Fotzepolitic
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I think there's also an issue with ARGs that something might have been relevant if the story had followed a certain course, but then some puzzle gets solved too quickly or not quickly enough so that the story has to go in a different direction just to keep a natural pace to it, and before you know it, boom, you have a loose end.

Think of it like one of those Choose Your Own Adventure novels. They let you pick up stuff that might be useful if you turn to page 240., but will never come up at all if you turn to page 340. If an ARG is reactive to its audience and not deliberately planned out so that everything could be used in multiple ways, that's likely to happen.

I suppose the solution would be to set a time limit on it, so that if a puzzle isn't solved between point x and point y, the protagonist solves it for you. But that always seemed kind of cheap.

But you're probably right that a lot of it is just set up to be cryptic when the creator didn't know the direction that the show was going to go in.

On occasion, the webcomic Ctrl+Alt+Del will do a choose your own adventure comic. The fans vote on what happens next and he draws out. However, before the comic even was released, the creator already mapped out a tree of all possible story lines.
Example: http://www.cad-comic.com/images/COA_storytree.jpg
I would like to see something like this implemented into a story, rather than the "plan it as it happens approach".


I'd agree, but that's something you would have to decide to do early on. Plus I guess the fans know that that's what's happening and won't object to the model being a little rigid.

I think for a slvlog you might do better with what was referred to in the press for Fahrenheit as an "elastic" storyline, where you have certain fixed points in the narrative, but how you get from each point to the next will vary depending on a myriad of factors. That allows for some improvisation and inspiration throughout without losing sight of a story. I think someone making it up as they went along would probably do a lot of this stuff unconsciously.

I had an idea for doing a sort of "choose your own adventure" story, which I'm still refining but would basically involve...

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...two (or more) apparently identical annotations in YouTube which would link to different Unlisted videos - the trick being to make them appear alternately in the same place as seamlessly as possible, so what video you get depends entirely on when you click. So it would basically be an accidentally-choose-your-own-adventure story, with the advantage that different views would get different experiences but not necessarily KNOW that they had until they discussed the content with each other.


I don't really know why I spoilerised that.
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 		Considering it's being discussed here, I'm going to take a moment to self-promote, hope you don't mind~ ;D

Eternal Session of the Theurgeverse is currently running on Tumblr as a Choose Your Own Adventure with people submitting asks as the actions.

It has what you're looking for in a pre-defined story that is flexible in how it continues and gets from point to point. A few big inspirations for the series are the books, as well as Ruby Quest and Homestuck, but I have played Fahrenheit and enjoyed it (even if it goes mental at the end).

No previous experience of the Theurgeverse is required as everything will be explained in-story or on the wiki (that is still being made, please be patient). Plus the people who enjoy the stories are more than happy to explain the stuff that's happened and explain any references.

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On topic: I really don't like the crossovers. If I'm following one story I don't want to have to read/watch a whole other story just because the characters get together for one post/video and it doesn't make sense.

None of the rules are the same between series, which is why I have such a big problem with them. They completely turn me away from series.
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 		Fahrenheit bugs the ass off me to this day because it was so close to being everything I've ever wanted from a video game that all the things that are wrong with it just stand out all the more.

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On topic: I really don't like the crossovers. If I'm following one story I don't want to have to read/watch a whole other story just because the characters get together for one post/video and it doesn't make sense.

None of the rules are the same between series, which is why I have such a big problem with them. They completely turn me away from series.


I might be going out on a bit of a limb here, but is this about the TribeTwelve/EMH crossover? Because to be honest, with that, it was less about the backstory, and more about the vastly different tone of the two series. It was like doing a crossover between Silent Hill and Scooby Doo.
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Fotzepolitic wrote:
I might be going out on a bit of a limb here, but is this about the TribeTwelve/EMH crossover? Because to be honest, with that, it was less about the backstory, and more about the vastly different tone of the two series. It was like doing a crossover between Silent Hill and Scooby Doo.


That and the fact that some older blogs are intertwined.

I actually watched TT for quite a while up until he disappeared for about a month or so with the Observer taking over. Got bored, stopped watching. I then spent a while about a month or two ago I got caught up and saw that and hated it.

I'm not a fan of EMH because I came in after the tournament started and nothing was happened except that so I felt really left out. Plus I don't like the main characters.

But other crossovers have turned me away. There was one recently that crossed over with Dark Harvest, which I do kind of like, but it made me lose interest instantly.

The rules for the series and tones, as you said, just never match up correctly and I don't want to have to sort it out. There's a chart I've seen that has about 20 different series on it and how they all work together and it's too much of a mess to be bothered with - and this coming from someone who likes Homestuck and understood much of House of Leaves on the first reading.
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 		I think it's fine as long as each individual series is a) navigable to the casual viewer, and b) stands up on its own merits.

I was very late to the party with EMH and just watched the YouTube videos. There was a narrative of sorts, but a lot of big jumps and gaps in the story. I guess that probably makes more sense if you're playing along with the game at the time, when you're ferreting out puzzles and so on, but when you're not, I dunno, the odd "Previously, on EverymanHybrid..."-style video would've helped.

But yes, I think for me it's differences in tone more than the rules that matters, but they're both factors. When the EMH crew met up with Noah and were comparing clues and notes, and one of them whipped out a Minecraft map, actual milk shot out of my actual nose.
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 		I know that nobody has really done anything in this thread in a while, but the thing that bugs me most about any series is when they say "What's with the camera?" Any variations of that is fine. But I have heard in so many series somebody say "What's with the camera?" If it was used once in Marble Hornets, maybe a slight variation in another series, completely fine. But I am so sick of hearing that same exact phrase over and over again.
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coopthetent wrote:
I know that nobody has really done anything in this thread in a while, but the thing that bugs me most about any series is when they say "What's with the camera?" Any variations of that is fine. But I have heard in so many series somebody say "What's with the camera?" If it was used once in Marble Hornets, maybe a slight variation in another series, completely fine. But I am so sick of hearing that same exact phrase over and over again.


That's the genre. Hate it or love it, but that's the equivalent of "hero walking away from explosion without looking at it."

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As for hearing, the only thing I can think of is when people call him "slender man" too often. Using his name just ruins it for me.
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Carnahan wrote:
coopthetent wrote:
I know that nobody has really done anything in this thread in a while, but the thing that bugs me most about any series is when they say "What's with the camera?" Any variations of that is fine. But I have heard in so many series somebody say "What's with the camera?" If it was used once in Marble Hornets, maybe a slight variation in another series, completely fine. But I am so sick of hearing that same exact phrase over and over again.


That's the genre. Hate it or love it, but that's the equivalent of "hero walking away from explosion without looking at it."


Agreed. You have to try to be realistic with this genre if you're using first-person POV (i.e., main character(s) filming scenes and everyone is aware of the camera).

When you're encountering paranormal entities, that's one thing - you'd think most people would understand someone whipping a camera out to film something like that, so it definitely isn't necessary to have someone ask about a camera in that situation. But, I mean, I'm pretty sure I'd ask what the hell someone's doing filming our (supposedly mundane) conversation if I were in a situation that didn't obviously merit some kind of recordation.

At the very least, providing some kind of convincing explanation as to why your character(s) have suddenly decided to record random things keeps the realistic feel and integrity of your series intact.

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Baronness wrote:
Carnahan wrote:
coopthetent wrote:
I know that nobody has really done anything in this thread in a while, but the thing that bugs me most about any series is when they say "What's with the camera?" Any variations of that is fine. But I have heard in so many series somebody say "What's with the camera?" If it was used once in Marble Hornets, maybe a slight variation in another series, completely fine. But I am so sick of hearing that same exact phrase over and over again.


That's the genre. Hate it or love it, but that's the equivalent of "hero walking away from explosion without looking at it."


Agreed. You have to try to be realistic with this genre if you're using first-person POV (i.e., main character(s) filming scenes and everyone is aware of the camera).

When you're encountering paranormal entities, that's one thing - you'd think most people would understand someone whipping a camera out to film something like that, so it definitely isn't necessary to have someone ask about a camera in that situation. But, I mean, I'm pretty sure I'd ask what the hell someone's doing filming our (supposedly mundane) conversation if I were in a situation that didn't obviously merit some kind of recordation.

At the very least, providing some kind of convincing explanation as to why your character(s) have suddenly decided to record random things keeps the realistic feel and integrity of your series intact.


But like I said before, I'm completely fine with a variation. If someone said "Are you recording this?" or "Why do you have a camera right now?", then that's fine. All I'm saying is that it bugs me when someone says, exactly "What's with the camera?" It's been done multiple times. I'm not saying that the person that's with them shouldn't notice it.
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coopthetent wrote:
Baronness wrote:
Carnahan wrote:
coopthetent wrote:
I know that nobody has really done anything in this thread in a while, but the thing that bugs me most about any series is when they say "What's with the camera?" Any variations of that is fine. But I have heard in so many series somebody say "What's with the camera?" If it was used once in Marble Hornets, maybe a slight variation in another series, completely fine. But I am so sick of hearing that same exact phrase over and over again.


That's the genre. Hate it or love it, but that's the equivalent of "hero walking away from explosion without looking at it."


Agreed. You have to try to be realistic with this genre if you're using first-person POV (i.e., main character(s) filming scenes and everyone is aware of the camera).

When you're encountering paranormal entities, that's one thing - you'd think most people would understand someone whipping a camera out to film something like that, so it definitely isn't necessary to have someone ask about a camera in that situation. But, I mean, I'm pretty sure I'd ask what the hell someone's doing filming our (supposedly mundane) conversation if I were in a situation that didn't obviously merit some kind of recordation.

At the very least, providing some kind of convincing explanation as to why your character(s) have suddenly decided to record random things keeps the realistic feel and integrity of your series intact.


But like I said before, I'm completely fine with a variation. If someone said "Are you recording this?" or "Why do you have a camera right now?", then that's fine. All I'm saying is that it bugs me when someone says, exactly "What's with the camera?" It's been done multiple times. I'm not saying that the person that's with them shouldn't notice it.


Hm. Do that many series actually include the exact words, "What's with the camera"?

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 		I've heard it plenty of times. Like "Dude, what's with the camera?"
It doesn't really bother me...

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KrisTrauma wrote:
I've heard it plenty of times. Like "Dude, what's with the camera?"
It doesn't really bother me...


Personal preference, I guess.

Maybe that's the problem with putting together a "list" of things "not to do" in a series. A lot of it boils down to personal preference.

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 		I would hate a series where they point out the distortion and slenderman. Mad

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I would hate a series where they point out the distortion and slenderman. Mad

would you prefer one where they're blissfully ignorant?

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