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[Question] [Spec] The Merging
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Zaxxan
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 		[Question] [Spec] The Merging
A little better thought out [spec] I had in the puzzle thread for today.

And now that the SP is integrated into her it would make her act differently than she would have before. The question is how will it affect melissa who is now (as far as we know) the only AI to have accessed their hidden human side.

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We just did what hasn't been done before (as far as we know) show an AI their human side, and not only that integrated it BACK into the AI.

If the SP was intentionally locked away at Melissa's creation by one would assume Halsey at The Labryinth, that means Melissa was in fact working as she was intended towards the end here without the influence of the SP. In other words she wasn't insane at the end, just acting coldly and calculatingly as one would expect any military AI to act. What will us having reintegrated the SP fully into the AI have? It will in the very least change the way she acts in situations.

[SPEC] Integrating the SP with Melissa will hold off the effects of Rampancy or even nullify it in Durga (who is also Melissa..don't ya love time travel Razz )[/Spec]

I say that because part of the reason for Rampancy would seem to be the AI starting to get bits of it's human memories back and not being able to deal with them. The AI is unable to locate the human side at all (it took an outside process to find the SP for Melissa/Durga) so they can never fully understand WHY they are having these memories and whatnot, this would help contribute to their madness as time goes on. By not only showing Melissa/Durga her human side but actually integrating it back into her she now not only knows where those memories are coming from but WHY they are there.

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 		then I think we must start contacting every AI in the future and reintegrating them to their human selves... the Covvies will not stand a chance!
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daboking wrote:
then I think we must start contacting every AI in the future and reintegrating them to their human selves... the Covvies will not stand a chance!


Well, we don't know that for sure. Let's see the brand new healthy Melissa in action before we jump to any conclusions.
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daboking wrote:
then I think we must start contacting every AI in the future and reintegrating them to their human selves... the Covvies will not stand a chance!

Either that or they'll all have a moral crisis and send a bouquet of roses with an apology for existing on the card to the Covies.

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 		ok, maybe I will exercise a little patience. Wink
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Phaedra wrote:
daboking wrote:
then I think we must start contacting every AI in the future and reintegrating them to their human selves... the Covvies will not stand a chance!


Well, we don't know that for sure. Let's see the brand new healthy Melissa in action before we jump to any conclusions.


Thats the thing though given what we know now Melissa was never insane, just very confused at the beginning. Once she got herself reorganized she started acting like a military commanding type ie. coldly and calculatingly, that is NOT insane. The SP was NEVER a part of her before now, integrating her into Melissa would not make her sane as SP was not intended to be an active part of the AI.

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 		Sure, Melissa pre-merge may've been free of whatever taint the Sleeping Princess would bring to the AI, but...

Melissa wasn't free of the influence of the massive damage that was caused by the crash.

From the original phase one SPDR code, we know Melissa is missing massive portions of her mind.

Even reintegrated beyond Melissa, Melissa+ will still be missing fragments of her mind, memories, knowledge. Gone, both in the fires of the SPDR purge and destroyed in the crash itself,

But I'm willing to bet the personality, whatever the damage to the mind, the personality will feel much more complete.

But we'll have to see.

Remember...the Flea may now have an unpreceedent level of influence on both. The Flea seemed to do something good this time .

But I still have to wonder if he isn't a...

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edit - Corrected the misspelling of nasty. Silly housecleaning.

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 		running out and saying 'lets reintegrate all the ai's with their human self' may not be the best thing... you have to ask - why, when creating AI's, is the humanity of the donor locked away?

Think back to star trek... Razz what's the difference between Data the machine and a human? Which is better? IS there a better?

the way I see it, AI's were created specifically to maximize the virtual power of the human brain, but without the humanity, just the power and speed, without the hindrance of emotion, feelings, morality, all of that... they created AI in order to accomplish what an organic human mind was incapable of doing, basically harnessing the raw power of the human brain (even then, still limited by the hardware).

So, will Melissa truly be more effective now that she has her human aspect of her existance reintegrated? Or will she, like real humans, be bombarded with the same kind of conflict we ourselves had to push through throughout this game - morality, ethics, emotion, anger, pain, impatience... will her ultimate purchase be more or less reachable now that she has so much more to deal with in her programming? Without the humanity, AIs can switch on and off the subroutines that emulate humanity - like Cortana had to disable her ethics routines or something at some point in First Strike in order to better accomplish her mission.

Now Melissa has no choice. She's reunited with her original 'humanity', and now has to deal with that... good? bad? Confused
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thebruce wrote:
Now Melissa has no choice. She's reunited with her original 'humanity', and now has to deal with that... good? bad? Confused


Years of therapy, man. She's also got to deal with what they did to Yasmine.
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Sure, Melissa pre-merge may've been free of whatever taint the Sleeping Princess would bring to the AI, but...

Melissa wasn't free of the influence of the massive damage that was caused by the crash.

From the original phase one SPDR code, we know Melissa is missing massive portions of her mind.

Even reintegrated beyond Melissa, Melissa+ will still be missing fragments of her mind, memories, knowledge. Gone, both in the fires of the SPDR purge and destroyed in the crash itself,

RIght, but the merging with the SP wouldn't fix any of this. Until the crash the SP was locked away and couldn't tell anything about how Melissa was operating, she was completely isolated. Has nothing to offer the AI except her human memories.

So melissa is in fact just as damaged NOW as she was before the merger. Only difference is she now has her human mind integrated (can't use reintegrated as well..the SP until now was never integrated with the AI).

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But I'm willing to bet the personality, whatever the damage to the mind, the personality will feel much more complete.

I agree with that. Melissa+ would now feel whole even though before she didn't even know she was missing something.

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 		[spec] Old Melissa = Durga now that SP is fully integrated into Melissa there will now be two AIs, Melissa and Durga. Rather than rampant expantion the AI has devided like two cells splitting.
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vector wrote:
[spec] Old Melissa = Durga now that SP is fully integrated into Melissa there will now be two AIs, Melissa and Durga. Rather than rampant expantion the AI has devided like two cells splitting.


I dunno, Durga was having problems "looking at herself" even up till these last axons. And while Durga acknowledges the fact that she is yasmine, Yasmine is not integrated into her. Yasmine is beginning to peak through though (thus the scrambled voices and memories) and this is what has made Durga think she may be going mad because she can't SEE the source of them. Durga still can't actually SEE Yasmine inside her she just acknoledges that yes she was Yasmine due to evidence she has gathered.

This is what made me think that full integration would halt the onset of Rampancy if Yasmine were to get fully integrated into Durga like the SP is into Melissa.

We won't know anything till the next axons though, but thats the joy of [SPEC] Razz

Speaking of which this was my first [SPEC] thread, glad to see it didn't get me called silly Razz

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