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evanx275h
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sp103 wrote:
I think about 90% of the stuff in TTA videos are red herrings. Items placed in to intentionally create a distraction. I know the creators mentioned in a video that we the audience have "missed clues" in TTA videos, but again I think that's a distraction.


Ever since figuring something involving "Attention" out, I refuse to believe that anything in TTA videos are red herrings.

In Attention, the message throughout the video actually comes into play in season 3. In Entry #60.5, the date on the last page of Tim's medical records (on the completely blacked-out page) was January 10th, the exact date that Attention was uploaded. The message in the video, "return to us", actually may have hinted towards Hoody "re-recruiting" Tim as Masky in Entries 61 and 62.

So, in my eyes, the totheark responses aren't red herrings, and all of them will come to mean something sooner or later, hopefully, like Attention did.
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DemanusFlint
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 		it's really interesting that there are no 0s anywhere. i also think the repetition of pairs makes 2-digit numbers more likely to be a step in the right direction, although i'm not sure exactly how.

e: i feel like this was posted earlier, but as a reminder: there are nine 2-digit combinations appearing in the form:
Code:

A B C D E E F    
C B G H C D A

G C I G F C       
A A C I B I


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 		Hm, J just tweeted about Jessica's appearance in the video. My initial reaction to that tweet is that it might be telegraphing her return to the series, soon.
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Omberto
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 		I think Jessica is a red herring, a distraction. Look at all the comments about her. How many people have gone back and noticed the brown hooded figure in the forest split screen with Alex? Immediately it jumps to the Jessica image, then the numbers.

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operated9
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DemanusFlint wrote:
it's really interesting that there are no 0s anywhere. i also think the repetition of pairs makes 2-digit numbers more likely to be a step in the right direction, although i'm not sure exactly how.

e: i feel like this was posted earlier, but as a reminder: there are nine 2-digit combinations appearing in the form:
Code:

A B C D E E F    
C B G H C D A

G C I G F C       
A A C I B I



With the exception of '72', the number pairs increase in value as does their frequency of appearance.

Code:

13 (1)      1, 0
24 (2)   1, 1
27 (2)   2, 0
72 (2)   2, 0
57 (3)   0, 3
68 (3)   1, 2
75 (3)   2, 1
79 (4)   2, 2
83 (6)   3, 3


Number in parathesis shows the frequency that the pairs occur. The right column shows where they occur (so 1,0 means that the pair is found once in the first 'question block' but not in the second 'block').

We could try matching the pairs to letters as they are found by frequency in written English (see: http://www.english-for-students.com/Frequency-of-Letters.html)


Code:
E
83

T
79

A / I / N / O / S / H / R
57, 68, 75

D / L / U / C / M
24, 27, 72

F / W / Y / G / P / B / V / K / Q / J / X / Z
13


...but the possibilities are endless, given that we (assume to be) dealing with a sample of only 26 letters here - hardly representative of everyday English writing.

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Luipaard
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 		Reporting in from Tumblr: someone appears to have cracked the code.

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i tried hex, octal, numerics to letters, rom-13, you name it

finally got a result from greek numerics!

putting in all of the numbers in one long string instead of sections
(7975832772722483756813832779688357682483797983577557)

translates to this:
περισσῶς μακρός

or, 'perissos away'



perissos is a greek word for 'greatly' or 'in abundance'

abundantly away? greatly away? if so, from where….? i'll leave that to you guys to work out.


And then someone who reads Greek jumps in:
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Okay, first off, περισσῶς can mean either extraordinarily in a positive way, or superfluous in a negative way (TOO much instead of a lot). For those who care, the omega means it's in the Doric plural accusative OR that it's an adverb. It's probably an adverb.

μακρός does not mean away, exactly. It means long, distant, or large. If περισσῶς is being used adverbially (it really doesn't make sense as an accusative), μακρός is probably a substantive adjective.

So extremely long/far away/large or too long/far away/large.


Sorry if this has already been reported, carry on.
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Lytrigian
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 		Reported and debunked. It just means the input number was too big for the converter.

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MistarEhn
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DemanusFlint wrote:
it's really interesting that there are no 0s anywhere. i also think the repetition of pairs makes 2-digit numbers more likely to be a step in the right direction, although i'm not sure exactly how.


I don't think the lack of 0s in the code matters much except that it means the code isn't meant to be read in decimal or hexidecimal, which is already indicated by the numbers appearing to be in pairs.

Since standard decryption doesn't seem to be yielding results, here's what I'm thinking:
What if you just need to reverse the numbers (like in the vid's description) in order for it to make sense?




If you split the numbers up first and then reverse the order, you'd get:
24 72 72 27 83 75 79
79 27 83 13 68 75 83

83 24 68 57 83 68
57 75 57 83 79 79

Alternatively, if you reverse all of the numbers first (starting at the bottom right and going to the top left) and THEN split them:

97 72 38 31 86 57 38
42 27 27 72 38 57 97

75 57 75 38 97 97
38 42 86 75 38 86


If I counted right, there are 9 unique numbers in the code in both cases, and there are a few instances in each possibility where the numbers repeat (bolded).

Maybe this is just a simple substitution cipher? Or maybe you have to assign each pair a number 1-9 based on how large the value is and do something with that?

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DemanusFlint
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operated9 wrote:

With the exception of '72', the number pairs increase in value as does their frequency of appearance.

Code:

13 (1)   1, 0
24 (2)   1, 1
27 (2)   2, 0
72 (2)   2, 0
57 (3)   0, 3
68 (3)   1, 2
75 (3)   2, 1
79 (4)   2, 2
83 (6)   3, 3



this is kind of interesting, but i haven't had any luck with cryptogram solvers (using ABCDEEFCBGHCDAGCIGFCAACIBI and its reverse as a simplified text for substitution).

also perhaps worth considering is the fact that there are two reversed pairs—27/22 and 57/75. additionally, the frequency of each pair is the same. however, 13, 24, 68, 79, and 83 don't have any obvious partners.

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LBfly
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 		Yeah. The mystery goes on.
Btw, just read a post on tumblr showing that the person holding the TV might be the Operator. So, "sees now"...
Highly unlikely, I know, but interesting.

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DemanusFlint
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MistarEhn wrote:
I don't think the lack of 0s in the code matters much except that it means the code isn't meant to be read in decimal or hexidecimal, which is already indicated by the numbers appearing to be in pairs.


well, the issue is that 0 is going to appear in any base—binary, octal, nonary, decimal, whatever.

i'm trying to think of situations where 0s are treated differently than the other digits and the only thing i can come up with is telephone words, where there are no letters assigned to the 0 button. nothing immediately follows from that, unfortunately, and i'm not sure that's it an easy path to pursue

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LBfly
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 		Also, about the code, if you subtract the numbers in their pairs you would get

2 2 5 5 5 5 2
5 2 2 2 5 5 2

2 5 2 2 2 2
2 2 5 2 2 2

That's another interesting coincidence.

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DemanusFlint
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 		ooh i like that

turning it into a binary code opens up a few more possibilities—morse code hasn't turned anything up yet (lack of character breaks is tough) but i'll keep trying

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 		Another coincidence or something completely far-fetched?

Repeat the alphabet sequence - try it in reverse if you like - until you can align it with a line of 1-100.

Now count along that line and find the letter for each number pairs.

There will be no repeated letters. Each number will have a unique letter.
The only question is, should we start with 0=A, or 0=Z, or 1=A, or 1=Z, 100=A, 1=Z, etc...

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Luipaard
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Lytrigian wrote:
Reported and debunked. It just means the input number was too big for the converter.


Thank you! Sorry for repeating false information :\
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