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SaferSaturnX
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DHawk314 wrote:
C'mon guys, it's a short code, it's GONNA be some cryptically short statement anyway. If you think that's gonna disappoint you, I'd advise lowering your expectations now.

I'm actually kind of thinking it's going to be longer than we think due to the whole "one number means multiple letters" thing. If it's longer, at least it would explain why we haven't solved it. Then again, I have a friend who thinks that this is only the first half of the puzzle, in which case Jay really is trolling us.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:13 am
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mokie
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SaferSaturnX wrote:
Dude, chill. I've been helping and offering possible solutions/suggestions for solving the code the whole time. I'm just offering my opinion that it doesn't appear to be in Morse code given that that goes against all the hints we've been given (as I read them anyway).


Dude, no. Opine all you like on whether morse will work or not (I don't think it's likely), but don't discourage people from trying it, slapping it, flipping and reversing it, spreading cheese on it... Even if a method doesn't turn up the answer, it may spark an idea that finally does deliver the right answer. The human brain needs to get weird and wander off in tangents sometimes to reach the right spot.

The bit about 'nothing helpful to offer' wasn't intended to be a personal slam, and I apologize--I was frustrated with a handful of similar comments dismissing an idea and offering a random observation the commenter made, but had clearly done nothing with. No results, nothing to point at and say that we'd at least tackled it, just, "No, no, stop doing that--I've noticed this thing, do something with that instead while I go lick grout."

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kralyk
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evanx275h wrote:
Honestly, I think that those are the answers, because it'd be too damned lucky to come with an outcome that both spells out to something and sounds like it fits to its corresponding translation (YOUR and HER). And if it is, it's honestly a pretty important plot point.


No, you don't need to be that lucky. You actually could come up with all kinds of seemingly inteligent answers using various ways...

Check my earlier solution, it's on page 27. I got "AMENDED CAREER", I used both sets of numbers and I didn't even have to anagram it, it was direct.
Yet, it obviously was not the right solution. And these "your ark" and "her lies" "solutions" are even worse...

So just forget it. We need more letters. It's not this simple.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:39 am
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Hazman
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agnosticAntagonist wrote:
I tried to connect the YOUR ARK, HER LIE theory to Jay's tweets here.

Quote:
Starting from the ground up:

1). Each pair of numbers is equivalent to one number

By adding the numbers that were aligned vertically, and then adding up the resulting numbers' digits, I received the single number that each pair was accountable for. This single number, in turn --
2). Each single number has multiple equivalent letters
I used QWERTY for this and thus only covered half of it — with marblechemist using the alphabet in tandem to the QWERTY system, each number had an equivalent of two letters to its name. (1=Q in QWERTY, 1=A in the alphabet. Same number, different letters)

3). not all letters are used within the solution
YOUR ARK, HER LIE.
Y O U R A K H E L I
10 unique letters are used.

4). Even with each number having multiple letters, some pairs add up to the same number — thus giving them common letters.
now, we're going to use an inverse of the system marblechemist and I used originally, for reasons that will be explained below.

Reverse the pairs (75-57, 72-27)
Subtract them instead of adding them (18, 45)
add together the resulting digits (1+8, 4+5)
you end up with 9, which would mean that both 27/72 and 57/75 would result in the same letters (O in Qwerty and I in alphabetics, yOur ark, her lIEs). Two pairs, resulting in the same single number, resulting in two common letters.


5). The method for 27-72 and 57-75 are inverse of the rest of the method.
The original method had you:

Add together the pairs (say, 79+83=162)
Add together the resulting digits (1+6+2=9)
take the final number and find its corresponding letter in both QWERTY and the alphabet (9=O in QWERTY and I in alphabetics)

But! since 27-72 and 57-75 are supposed to be a mirror of this method;

Order them inversely (72-27 instead of 27-72)
Subtract them (72-27=45)
Add together the resulting digits (4+5=9)
Assign the resulting number its corresponding letters in QWERTY and alphabetics (9=O in QWERTY, I in alphabetics, yOur ark, her lIes)

If I'm doing this right here then marblechemist/our theory might actually agree with Jay's tweets?
PLEASE: add suggestions and comments! I don't want to be making a fool outta us two here, this is just what I've been trying to piece together after stumbling upon the "YOUR ARK" thing entirely without meaning to!


You said 10 unique letters. Jay mentioned 9 unique numbers/letters. Just pointing it out there

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Blank_Zero
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 		YOUR ARK isn't the answer, but it was a really good shot at trying to figure it out. Lets continue trying new ideas instead if bickering about how wrong it was, k?

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alec
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 		has anyone tried Pythagorean encryption yet? i'm trying it now but not getting much out of it. it has numbers 1-9 and each number corresponds to more than one letter. from there it's a scramble/guessing code.

EDIT: the first two sets are:
Spoiler (Rollover to View):

G I G E H C B G G B B D
P R P N A L K P P K K M
Y Y W Z U T Y Y T T V

H C G E F H A C H C B G G I
Q L P N O Q J L Q L K P P R
Z U Y W X Z S U Z U T Y Y


i got gibberish out of it, but it was worth a shot.

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karalynnp123
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 		He tweeted...or someone hacked him and tweeted...

"@marblehornets: 9513390313793583953179"

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Δ
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Edit: Ninja'd.
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karalynnp123
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karalynnp123 wrote:
He tweeted...or someone hacked him and tweeted...

"@marblehornets: 9513390313793583953179"



This one has a zero...and ones

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ThinSuit
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 		Holy shit this has to be something REALLY important
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kralyk
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 		I think it can be assumed that the numbers from twitter are the same encryption as the ones from video.

Let's see them in pairs:
Code:
95 13 39 03 13 79 35 83 95 31 79


Observations:

    There is 22 numbers, possibly 11 pairs. Following obsevations are concerned with them being pairs, like previously.
    There are some common numbers with the sets from the video. 83, 79 (twice), 13 (twice, or if 13 = 31, then even thrice).
    There is 5 new unique values: 03, 31, 35, 39, 95
    The numbers, by and large, don't any more folow the ±2 & ±5 pattern. ±6, ±4 and ±3 have been added to that, making it imho insignificant.
    All the new numbers except 95 and 35 are prime numbers.
    Even with 5 new unique values (totaling 14 with the numbers from video), that is still quite a low number should one pair equal one letter. And that numbers gets even lower if xy = yx. In other words, there is not much entropy in pairs.


Elaborating on the low unique values count, Jay's words that one pair may represent multiple letters doesn't necessarily mean the message is longer - it could mean that one pair is one letter, but that letter differs each time the pair is used. That could make it possible to express more letters using smaller set of unique numbers. Also, if one pair was set in stone with one letter, we probably would have unveiled it by now. On the other hand, this hypothesis does not go well with the fact that there are repetitive pairs in the first place. Maybe the cipher was done purposefully to appear as lacking entropy? Don't know.

Any other observations?

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LBfly
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 		I counted 22 letters, 11 pairs. We cant line them vertically to decode the same way Alexia did.

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kralyk
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 		Yeah, noticed, it's corrected now... Wink

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Abalone
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 		I deem this the "Code of Many Crumpled Paper Balls."

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Abalone
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 		I also notice this new Twitter post breaks up the nice, neat 2/5 observations some of us had notes earlier. 95 (9 and 5 being 4 integers apart) and 39 (6 apart) don't fit now.

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