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DonMonte
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 		Has anyone tried stuff with modular arithmetic? Just subtract 26 from the pairs until it becomes a number between 1 and 26. So, 95 would become 69, would become 43, would become 17, which might be a Q.

I tried stuff like that a few nights ago, forwards and backwards, but got gibberish. Just thought I'd bring it up in case it helps someone.

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ledzepfilm
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 		Decoding later. Maybe that code has the same method as the codes in Surveillance?

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Minihil
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DonMonte wrote:
Has anyone tried stuff with modular arithmetic? Just subtract 26 from the pairs until it becomes a number between 1 and 26. So, 95 would become 69, would become 43, would become 17, which might be a Q.

I tried stuff like that a few nights ago, forwards and backwards, but got gibberish. Just thought I'd bring it up in case it helps someone.
I tried it. Here's the key I used, with each number representing the letter at the top of its collumn.
Code:
A  B  C  D  E  F  G  H  I  J  K  L  M  N  O  P  Q  R  S  T  U  V  W  X  Y  Z
1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26
27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52
53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78
79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99

Here were the results.
Code:
Q  M  M  C  M  A  I  E  Q  E  A
95 13 39 03 13 79 35 83 95 31 79

Doesn't seem to go anywhere. So I tried 0-25 instead, by moving each letter back one, and got:
Code:
P  L  L  B  L  Z  H  D  P  D  Z

Still doesn't seem likely to be anything. I tried a couple other things that appear to be dead-ends, but I'll post them here for the sake of ruling them out.

By segmenting the numbers into numbers between 1 and 26:
Code:

I E M  C I C  M  G I C E H C I E C Q  I
9 5 13 3 9 03 13 7 9 3 5 8 3 9 5 3 17 9

And then changing it to 0-25:
Code:
H D L B H B L F H B D G B H D B P H

I also tried adding each pair of digits up to create new numbers and did the same thing:
Code:
95 13 39 03 13 79 35 83 95 31 79
14 04 12 03 04 16 08 11 14 04 16
N  D  L  C  D  P  H  K  N  D  P

And with 0-25:
Code:
M  C  K  B  C  O  G  J  M  C  O

Still nothing useable.

I also tried putting together the differences between each pair when treated as a single number, and converted that to letters:
Code:
95  13  39  03  13  79  35  83  95  31  79
  82  26  36  10  66  44  48  12  64  48
  D   Z   J   J   N   R   V   L   L   V

0-25:
Code:
C   Y   I   I   M   Q   U   K   K   U

And nothing. The only thing noteable about this one is that different numbers add up to the same letter, but I don't think that's significant.

I also tried running the combinations through a caeser cipher and nothing really stood out to me.

So a whole bunch of dead ends, but it never hurts to rule things out. I don't think we're gonna get anything out pursuing this line of thought further with the tweet, but anyone else is welcome to try.


That aside, I don't know if I believe that this sequence of numbers is meant to be decoded in the same way that the numbers at the end of the video are. It seems more like this is supposed to be a key of some sort, and by figuring out how these numbers relate to the ones in the video we might be able to figure out what it means. But I tried a bunch of different things and wasn't able to put them together, so maybe that's wrong--still worth exploring, I think.

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Abalone
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 		Prior to this post I was thinking that the 2/5 phenomenon might serve as a sort a shift function or as an indicator to switch between alphabets somehow... Not so convinced now.

Also, so no one else wastes their time, I tried an 11 x 11 grid with the entire alphabet using the digits as coordinates both forward and in reverse and came up with:

H/R, M/E, O/N, D/E, B/T, J/A, M/E, H/R, M/E, B/T
95. 13. 39. 03. 79. 35. 83. 95. 31. 79

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 		Just came across this and I thought I'd share it: http://www.nsa.gov/kids/ciphers/ciphe00007.shtml
I hope it'll be helpful in some way.

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kralyk
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DonMonte wrote:
Has anyone tried stuff with modular arithmetic? Just subtract 26 from the pairs until it becomes a number between 1 and 26. So, 95 would become 69, would become 43, would become 17, which might be a Q.

I tried stuff like that a few nights ago, forwards and backwards, but got gibberish. Just thought I'd bring it up in case it helps someone.

I tried that too, didn't output anything but gibberish either, even after I'd ran it through substitution cracker. I didn't try anagrams, but I doubt there's anything...

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LBfly
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 		Almost sure that tweet is a key. We just need to learn how to use it. Maybe Jay will give us a clue later today?

The only numbers that repeat on the tweet are 13, 79 and 83. They repeat two times each, except 83. Also 31 is 13 mirrored, they mean the same thing if we follow the common letters theory.

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 		I'm not sure if this has already been mentioned, but I think the footage of the figure at the end of the corridor at 0:03 is not the footage that came from Entry #65 (at 2:06). Maybe TTA has access to footage that Jay doesn't. (Either Tim didn't give Jay all the footage from the camera or TTA had a separate camera and was at the same place as Tim) or Jay edited the footage he showed us.

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rand__althor
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aidansean wrote:
I'm not sure if this has already been mentioned, but I think the footage of the figure at the end of the corridor at 0:03 is not the footage that came from Entry #65 (at 2:06). Maybe TTA has access to footage that Jay doesn't. (Either Tim didn't give Jay all the footage from the camera or TTA had a separate camera and was at the same place as Tim) or Jay edited the footage he showed us.


I've thought that was a reuse of one of the hidden frames from the end of "Session", which shows a figure standing in front of an open door, just that this use of that frame has it shrunk down.
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Jiime_6
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aidansean wrote:
I'm not sure if this has already been mentioned, but I think the footage of the figure at the end of the corridor at 0:03 is not the footage that came from Entry #65 (at 2:06). Maybe TTA has access to footage that Jay doesn't. (Either Tim didn't give Jay all the footage from the camera or TTA had a separate camera and was at the same place as Tim) or Jay edited the footage he showed us.

I see what you mean, and I agree – in #65, the camera is (kind of) static, while in Surveillance it's moving backwards, away from the figure.

By the way, while I was checking this I noticed something else. We tried finding where the "red scene" (the one with the hand) might have come from, and I had been looking for any entry taking place on a street at night, since I believe the big white circle we see is a street light (you can actually see the post over some trees). And now I've seen a street light and what appear to be trees in Entry #65, in the background of the red scene with Tim screaming. I'm attaching the screenshots, so tell me what you guys think. Could it be the same place? It's probably nothing, but whatever.
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aidansean wrote:
I'm not sure if this has already been mentioned, but I think the footage of the figure at the end of the corridor at 0:03 is not the footage that came from Entry #65 (at 2:06). Maybe TTA has access to footage that Jay doesn't. (Either Tim didn't give Jay all the footage from the camera or TTA had a separate camera and was at the same place as Tim) or Jay edited the footage he showed us.

The footage is definitely not the same as in Entry #65, but it does seem to take place at the same time or is part of a longer clip.
I feel like Tim's footage from Entry #65 isn't complete, but I thought it was just because the camera got messed up (in one way or another). Considering that Survaillence shows at least more of that hallway than Entry #65, then either:
Jay edited the footage in #65;",
Tim edited the footage before giving it to Jay,
Or, Totheark has extra footage; either by taking the chest cam, or by his or someone else's camera.

So, yeah, basically everything you said.

rand__althor wrote:

I've thought that was a reuse of one of the hidden frames from the end of "Session", which shows a figure standing in front of an open door, just that this use of that frame has it shrunk down.

I think the frame from Session is from at least a different frame from a longer clip of the hallway scene, if not from a completely different place.

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Oxide
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Jiime_6 wrote:
aidansean wrote:
I'm not sure if this has already been mentioned, but I think the footage of the figure at the end of the corridor at 0:03 is not the footage that came from Entry #65 (at 2:06). Maybe TTA has access to footage that Jay doesn't. (Either Tim didn't give Jay all the footage from the camera or TTA had a separate camera and was at the same place as Tim) or Jay edited the footage he showed us.

I see what you mean, and I agree – in #65, the camera is (kind of) static, while in Surveillance it's moving backwards, away from the figure.

By the way, while I was checking this I noticed something else. We tried finding where the "red scene" (the one with the hand) might have come from, and I had been looking for any entry taking place on a street at night, since I believe the big white circle we see is a street light (you can actually see the post over some trees). And now I've seen a street light and what appear to be trees in Entry #65, in the background of the red scene with Tim screaming. I'm attaching the screenshots, so tell me what you guys think. Could it be the same place? It's probably nothing, but whatever.

I don't know. It's hard to make out the background of the Surveillance red scene; though I think I see grass. Entry #65's red scene with Tim does look like it's on a street or the like, now that you mention it. There was talk, earlier in the thread, that the hand grabbing the camera may have happened around the same time as Tim screaming; as they are both shown in a red-ish tint, and are either preceded or followed by a scene with the hallway. But if one red scene is on a street, while the other is possibly on grass, then I don't know.

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 		Watching #65 again, I noticed something about the red scene. It's the only one to have Tim's face captured in it, the rest of the footage comes from his chestcam, from his point of view.
So who's camera recorded that, him screaming in agony, and how did it end up in the entry? Did his chestcam come off and was re-attached? That doesn't seem likely. What happened there?

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Oxide
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elford wrote:
Watching #65 again, I noticed something about the red scene. It's the only one to have Tim's face captured in it, the rest of the footage comes from his chestcam, from his point of view.
So who's camera recorded that, him screaming in agony, and how did it end up in the entry? Did his chestcam come off and was re-attached? That doesn't seem likely. What happened there?

I think someone mentioned something like this, but I'll say it anyways.
Maybe the scene of the hand grabbing the camera is of someone taking the chest cam to record Tim. Then the person put it back on Tim later, I guess.

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Blank_Zero
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 		Everyone start using that NSA link please. I know it seems silly, but it has some interesting stuff in it, like how more words begin with T and end with E, and no words end in Q, because it is always followed by a U.

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