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[TTA] Surveillance
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LoudCapricorn
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 		Has anybody tried out a Playfair cipher? The numbers could be A-I, explaining the lack of zeros. But again, the keyword could be anything, from Surveillance, over Operator to Lasagna. As for the tweet, I have no idea. Maybe it's just a different set of letters?

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Cougar Draven wrote:
Thus far all I can think of is that the description, which is the first thing most people will see, consists of fifteen "sets" of paired numbers. The two number sets in the video consist of fourteen and twelve, respectively, and the tweet consists of eleven. It's decreasing every time we get a "hint", and yet with 52 characters in the total message, we still have jack shit.


description text is solved and seemingly unrelated; i think we can assume that the video sets and the new tweet are the same code (or perhaps a key/ciphertext relationship?)

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LoudCapricorn wrote:
Has anybody tried out a Playfair cipher? The numbers could be A-I, explaining the lack of zeros. But again, the keyword could be anything, from Surveillance, over Operator to Lasagna. As for the tweet, I have no idea. Maybe it's just a different set of letters?


The problem with a Playfair specifically is the base convention thereof: the 5x5 grid. A Playfair cipher only works if the number pairs never variate from five digits; all ten are represented here.

Likewise, if we assume that half of the digits represent an x, and the other half a y, we still have the problem of "27" and "72" referring to the same letter, leading to a string of three letters, something that cannot happen in the English language.

It's a good effort, though.
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 		Assuming, for a moment, we are dealing with something that needs a keyword... It would be slightly bloody obvious if the keyword were the description, but that doesn't immediately rule it out. The description is 'continue on' (but backward -- 'noeunitnoc'), and most types of ciphers that take keywords don't allow duplicate letters, which would make the keyword 'contiue' or 'noeuitc'.

So, back to the grid idea, from a few pages back. 9x9, with a keyword, this time. I don't know whether the keyword repeats or not, which is going to end me with four different potential grids.

Repeating, continue on:
Code:
 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
1c o n t i u e a b
2d f g h j k l m p
3q r s v w x y z c
4o n t i u e a b d
5f g h j k l m p q
6r s v w x y z c o
7n t i u e a b d f
8g h j k l m p q r
9s v w x y z - - -


Single, continue on:
Code:
 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
1c o n t i u e a b
2d f g h j k l m p
3q r s v w x y z a
4b c d e f g h i j
5k l m n o p q r s
6t u v w x y z a b
7c d e f g h i j k
8l m n o p q r s t
9u v w x y z - - -


Repeating, noeunitnoc:
Code:
 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
1n o e u i t c a b
2d f g h j k l m p
3q r s v w x y z n
4o e u i t c a b d
5f g h j k l m p q
6r s v w x y z n o
7e u i t c a b d f
8g h j k l m p q r
9s v w x y z - - -


Single, noeunitnoc:
Code:
 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
1n o e u i t c a b
2d f g h j k l m p
3q r s v w x y z a
4b c d e f g h i j
5k l m n o p q r s
6t u v w x y z a b
7c d e f g h i j k
8l m n o p q r s t
9u v w x y z - - -


However, I'm a little too busy to work those out, right this second, so if anyone else wants to take a shot at it...
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elford
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 		derp. sorry.

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Cougar Draven
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DemanusFlint wrote:
Cougar Draven wrote:
Thus far all I can think of is that the description, which is the first thing most people will see, consists of fifteen "sets" of paired numbers. The two number sets in the video consist of fourteen and twelve, respectively, and the tweet consists of eleven. It's decreasing every time we get a "hint", and yet with 52 characters in the total message, we still have jack shit.


description text is solved and seemingly unrelated; i think we can assume that the video sets and the new tweet are the same code (or perhaps a key/ciphertext relationship?)


Perhaps if you'd actually included a quote of the solution, instead of asking me to go hunting in forty pages of blather about the source videos of single frames, I might have been more receptive of this.

As it is, I'm going to have to say "until I see it, I don't believe it".
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DemanusFlint
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 		it's solved on the first page, sixth post. "continue on" from a reversed octal->ascii code

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DemanusFlint wrote:
it's solved on the first page, sixth post. "continue on" from a reversed octal->ascii code


Okay, I've had a look, independently confirmed that that indeed does translate as "noeunitnoc", and immediately classified it as a red herring.

Everyone has apparently made the leap that this is indeed a thing, instead of questioning why one set of numbers would be a conversion from octal to ascii, whereas [i]literally every other cipher in the video[i] (as well as supporting external media) would be in a completely different form. There's no logic to it, and it doesn't support what we've had to deal with in TTA in the past.

For now, until I am unequivocally proven wrong, I'm dismissing "continue on".
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 		Jay's hints are mostly useless for the new set of numbers. And if it's encrypted the same way the numbers from video are, it means Jay's (or I should say Troy's) hints actually never were really any useful, maybe they never were intended to help us, it's just to show how concered Jay is with those numbers... Or we are simply being trolled.

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 		Hi again!

Quickly, Just wanted to mention that I am trying a 10 x 10 numbered grid this time around (1-100). So far have tried assigning letter values to only primes, lettering a-z forward. Not much happening but gibberish.

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kralyk wrote:
Jay's hints are mostly useless for the new set of numbers. And if it's encrypted the same way the numbers from video are, it means Jay's (or I should say Troy's) hints actually never were really any useful, maybe they never were intended to help us, it's just to show how concered Jay is with those numbers... Or we are simply being trolled.

Maybe
OOG:
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Joseph or Tim made the code, and Troy has been trying to figure it out as Jay, because Troy can't get the code from the other guys for some reason.

But that's just crazy.

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Oxide wrote:
Maybe
OOG:
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Joseph or Tim made the code, and Troy has been trying to figure it out as Jay, because Troy can't get the code from the other guys for some reason.

But that's just crazy.


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It would be unfair if Troy had an entire legion of Internet code bandits at his disposal Very Happy


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Oxide wrote:
kralyk wrote:
Jay's hints are mostly useless for the new set of numbers. And if it's encrypted the same way the numbers from video are, it means Jay's (or I should say Troy's) hints actually never were really any useful, maybe they never were intended to help us, it's just to show how concered Jay is with those numbers... Or we are simply being trolled.

Maybe
OOG:
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Joseph or Tim made the code, and Troy has been trying to figure it out as Jay, because Troy can't get the code from the other guys for some reason.

But that's just crazy.


If that were the case, then plenty of respect for 'playing the role'.

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LoudCapricorn
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Cougar Draven wrote:
LoudCapricorn wrote:
Has anybody tried out a Playfair cipher? The numbers could be A-I, explaining the lack of zeros. But again, the keyword could be anything, from Surveillance, over Operator to Lasagna. As for the tweet, I have no idea. Maybe it's just a different set of letters?


The problem with a Playfair specifically is the base convention thereof: the 5x5 grid. A Playfair cipher only works if the number pairs never variate from five digits; all ten are represented here.

Likewise, if we assume that half of the digits represent an x, and the other half a y, we still have the problem of "27" and "72" referring to the same letter, leading to a string of three letters, something that cannot happen in the English language.

It's a good effort, though.


Umm, that's not the Playfair cipher I know. I was thinking that each number corresponds to a letter, giving us the digraphs we would decrypt in the grid.
For example:
1=A, 2=B... so 72 is GB, 57 is EG, 13 is AC...
If we were to take the keyword as, say, "OPERATOR", we get
O P E R A
T B C D F
G H I J K
L M N S U
V W X Y Z
GB becomes TH, EG becomes IO, AC becomes FE, etc.
I'm not at home right now, so I'll play around with this until the letters spell out "GO TO SLEEP IDIOT"

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