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kclbm4
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Hazman wrote:
Cause everyone else dismissed Nihilist cipher pretty quickly I tried it out. But as expected got gibberish again.

Code:

   1 2 3   4 5
 1 S E N   O W
 2 A B C   D F
 3 G H I/J K L
 4 M P Q   R T
 5 U V X   Y Z


  P  E  R  M  A  N  E  N  C  E
  24 21 44 14 12 31 21 31 32 21 24 21 44 14 12 31 21 31 32 21
  79 75 83 27 72 72 24 83 75 68 13 83 27 79

  55 54   39 13 60 41 02 52 43 47 11 62 17 65


  ZT G O FK S   


That's what I got, leaving out the numbers that didn't fit. If I had used a 0-6 grid I may have got something else, but I don't know how to do them


I think you messed up with the key. Flip the numbers around for PERMANENCE (Example: 42 12 44 41 etc.)

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Hazman
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kclbm4 wrote:
Hazman wrote:
Cause everyone else dismissed Nihilist cipher pretty quickly I tried it out. But as expected got gibberish again.

Code:

   1 2 3   4 5
 1 S E N   O W
 2 A B C   D F
 3 G H I/J K L
 4 M P Q   R T
 5 U V X   Y Z


  P  E  R  M  A  N  E  N  C  E
  24 21 44 14 12 31 21 31 32 21 24 21 44 14 12 31 21 31 32 21
  79 75 83 27 72 72 24 83 75 68 13 83 27 79

  55 54   39 13 60 41 02 52 43 47 11 62 17 65


  ZT G O FK S   


That's what I got, leaving out the numbers that didn't fit. If I had used a 0-6 grid I may have got something else, but I don't know how to do them


I think you messed up with the key. Flip the numbers around for PERMANENCE (Example: 42 12 44 41 etc.)


Don't you go across and then down?

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 		another poorly worded hint... he says "number pairs" but "27 39" doesn't appear in that order in the text (those symbols appear separately). and does he mean specifically that the first digit increments by one while the second increments by two? kind of an obscure relationship to pluck out of the haystack

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kclbm4
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Hazman wrote:
kclbm4 wrote:
Hazman wrote:
Cause everyone else dismissed Nihilist cipher pretty quickly I tried it out. But as expected got gibberish again.

Code:

   1 2 3   4 5
 1 S E N   O W
 2 A B C   D F
 3 G H I/J K L
 4 M P Q   R T
 5 U V X   Y Z


  P  E  R  M  A  N  E  N  C  E
  24 21 44 14 12 31 21 31 32 21 24 21 44 14 12 31 21 31 32 21
  79 75 83 27 72 72 24 83 75 68 13 83 27 79

  55 54   39 13 60 41 02 52 43 47 11 62 17 65


  ZT G O FK S   


That's what I got, leaving out the numbers that didn't fit. If I had used a 0-6 grid I may have got something else, but I don't know how to do them


I think you messed up with the key. Flip the numbers around for PERMANENCE (Example: 42 12 44 41 etc.)


Don't you go across and then down?


I don't think so but I might be wrong ... However, on Wikipedia it's


[] 1 2 3 4 5
1 Z E B R A
2 S C D F G
3 H I K L M
4 N O P Q T
5 U V W X Y
with a plaintext of "DYNAMITE WINTER PALACE" and a key of RUSSIAN. This expands to:
PT: 23 55 41 15 35 32 45 12 53 32 41 45 12 14 43 15 34 15 22 12
KEY: 14 51 21 21 32 15 41 14 51 21 21 32 15 41 14 51 21 21 32 15 <== As you can see, it's the other way around.
CT: 37 106 62 36 67 47 86 26 104 53 62 77 27 55 57 66 55 36 54 27

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kclbm4 wrote:
Hazman wrote:
kclbm4 wrote:
Hazman wrote:
Cause everyone else dismissed Nihilist cipher pretty quickly I tried it out. But as expected got gibberish again.

Code:

   1 2 3   4 5
 1 S E N   O W
 2 A B C   D F
 3 G H I/J K L
 4 M P Q   R T
 5 U V X   Y Z


  P  E  R  M  A  N  E  N  C  E
  24 21 44 14 12 31 21 31 32 21 24 21 44 14 12 31 21 31 32 21
  79 75 83 27 72 72 24 83 75 68 13 83 27 79

  55 54   39 13 60 41 02 52 43 47 11 62 17 65


  ZT G O FK S   


That's what I got, leaving out the numbers that didn't fit. If I had used a 0-6 grid I may have got something else, but I don't know how to do them


I think you messed up with the key. Flip the numbers around for PERMANENCE (Example: 42 12 44 41 etc.)


Don't you go across and then down?


I don't think so... On wikipedia it's


[] 1 2 3 4 5
1 Z E B R A
2 S C D F G
3 H I K L M
4 N O P Q T
5 U V W X Y
with a plaintext of "DYNAMITE WINTER PALACE" and a key of RUSSIAN. This expands to:
PT: 23 55 41 15 35 32 45 12 53 32 41 45 12 14 43 15 34 15 22 12
KEY: 14 51 21 21 32 15 41 14 51 21 21 32 15 41 14 51 21 21 32 15
CT: 37 106 62 36 67 47 86 26 104 53 62 77 27 55 57 66 55 36 54 27


Right sorry. Still nothing tho.

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kclbm4
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Hazman wrote:
kclbm4 wrote:
Hazman wrote:
kclbm4 wrote:
Hazman wrote:
Cause everyone else dismissed Nihilist cipher pretty quickly I tried it out. But as expected got gibberish again.

Code:

   1 2 3   4 5
 1 S E N   O W
 2 A B C   D F
 3 G H I/J K L
 4 M P Q   R T
 5 U V X   Y Z


  P  E  R  M  A  N  E  N  C  E
  24 21 44 14 12 31 21 31 32 21 24 21 44 14 12 31 21 31 32 21
  79 75 83 27 72 72 24 83 75 68 13 83 27 79

  55 54   39 13 60 41 02 52 43 47 11 62 17 65


  ZT G O FK S   


That's what I got, leaving out the numbers that didn't fit. If I had used a 0-6 grid I may have got something else, but I don't know how to do them


I think you messed up with the key. Flip the numbers around for PERMANENCE (Example: 42 12 44 41 etc.)


Don't you go across and then down?


I don't think so... On wikipedia it's


[] 1 2 3 4 5
1 Z E B R A
2 S C D F G
3 H I K L M
4 N O P Q T
5 U V W X Y
with a plaintext of "DYNAMITE WINTER PALACE" and a key of RUSSIAN. This expands to:
PT: 23 55 41 15 35 32 45 12 53 32 41 45 12 14 43 15 34 15 22 12
KEY: 14 51 21 21 32 15 41 14 51 21 21 32 15 41 14 51 21 21 32 15
CT: 37 106 62 36 67 47 86 26 104 53 62 77 27 55 57 66 55 36 54 27


Right sorry. Still nothing tho.


Just for the info, what do the new letters read? Confused

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Hazman
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kclbm4 wrote:

Just for the info, what do the new letters read? Confused

1 2 3 4 5
1 S E N O W
2 A B C D F
3 G H I/J K L
4 M P Q R T
5 U V X Y Z


P E R M A N E N C E
42 12 44 41 21 31 12 13 23 12 42 12 44 41 21 31 12 13 23 12
79 75 83 27 72 72 24 83 75 68 13 83 27 79

37 63 39 14 51 41 12 70 52 56 29 71 17 38

OUME V

EDIT:

NOTE: that is only the first line

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those are super awful to scroll through dudes

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kclbm4
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Hazman wrote:
kclbm4 wrote:

Just for the info, what do the new letters read? Confused

1 2 3 4 5
1 S E N O W
2 A B C D F
3 G H I/J K L
4 M P Q R T
5 U V X Y Z


P E R M A N E N C E
42 12 44 41 21 31 12 13 23 12 42 12 44 41 21 31 12 13 23 12
79 75 83 27 72 72 24 83 75 68 13 83 27 79

37 63 39 14 51 41 12 70 52 56 29 71 17 38

OUME V

EDIT:

NOTE: that is only the first line


The only thing you can yield from "OUME V" is "U MOVE". But I doubt TTA speaks in chat language and wants Jay to move Smile

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kclbm4
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DemanusFlint wrote:
those are super awful to scroll through dudes


Sorry Embarassed

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 		That's what I thought. I'll run the second line, but I doubt I'll get anything

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kclbm4
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Hazman wrote:
That's what I thought. I'll run the second line, but I doubt I'll get anything


Alright. On the bright side, this is a good way to pass the time though haha.

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DemanusFlint wrote:
another poorly worded hint... he says "number pairs" but "27 39" doesn't appear in that order in the text (those symbols appear separately). and does he mean specifically that the first digit increments by one while the second increments by two? kind of an obscure relationship to pluck out of the haystack


It is an obscure pattern to mention. If it occurred to me prior to his tweet, I would have thought very little of it.
If there is any significance to it, those number pairs will form two groups.

The +11 intervals: 13, 24, 35, 57, 68, 79 (and the mirrored variants '31' '75')
and the +12 intervals: 03, 27 39; 83, 95 (and mirrored variant 72)


Also, for those new users posting their efforts at overlaying keywords onto a Nihilist cipher, I tried this days ago with the words Permanence, Surveillance, Sees Now, Operator, Jessica, etc. and in their reversed forms. I found nothing. By all means continue to check though (although perhaps you can find a better means of sharing/discussing them with each other)

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Code:


  P  E  R  M  A  N  E  N  C  E
  42 12 44 41 21 31 12 13 23 12 42 12 44 41 21 31 12 13 23 12     
  68 83 57 68 24 83 79 79 83 57 75 57


  26 71 13 27 03 52 67 66 60 45 33 45

N  V    I/J V


Nothing. :/

EDIT: Some numbers do stand out tho, like 03 13 27

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sha22 wrote:
karalynnp123 wrote:
NEW TWEET

"@marblehornets 13, 24, 35, 57, 68, 79 all follow the pattern I noticed earlier. 03 doesn't. Could there be a point where the first number starts from zero?"


This lets us know that 03 is clearly important and may be some kind of starting point??

HEY JUST NOTICED SOMETHING! 13, 24, 35, 57, 68, 79.... In that order the first digits do 1 2 3 5 6 7 and the second digits go 3 4 5 7 8 9

Where's 46?

THAT'S GOTTA BE IMPORTANT!

Maybe we're supposed to figure out what the pattern starting from "00" would be, and then we can assign letters from there?

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