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[TTA] Surveillance
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Rand0mExpl0sive
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 		On the topic of the video itself, (don't have much knowledge in decoding the numbers and from how much trouble it's giving everyone, I doubt I'd be able to help there) It seems to me that TTA is saying that he has been watching Jay and co. from the beginning, and TTA sees now the permanence in Jay and Tim sticking together, so now instead of performing surveillance as he has since this started, he is going to take action. (symbolized by the TV breaking)

At least, that's how I see it.

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Djeezna
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 		I think a lot of effort is being wasted trying to pin a letter to a pair.

Jay has never been so involved in the decrypting process. That means Troy wants the code to be cracked sooner rather than later. ASSUMING this is true, he has no reason to post red herrings on his twitter. And on there it was mentioned that it was likely that a pair could refer to multiple letters.

I think most of the effort should be towards finding how a pair could link to letterS

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RoseCrux
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 		More likely that they stepped it up a notch and are using a cypher that requires more than just the numbers in the video to solve. Unfortunately it is a possibility that they botched it and have given us a cypher that is unsolvable.

Assuming that they did it right, the difficulty on this one is amped way up. No line breaks to denote the end of words (or even letters) and the possibility that even with the key properly used the result may still be only an anagram or nonsensical. Also there is no clear key provided. So far it should be obvious that it's not a simple substitution or translation cypher.

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karalynnp123
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 		Does anyone have a list of all the codes we've ever deciphered from TTA? or is there a thread somewhere with them all compiled? Maybe the key to deciphering this one is in something from the past...

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Djeezna
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 		Saw that on reddit. It's scaring me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENYqrxopLvk&feature=player_detailpage#t=360s

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Hazman
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SaferSaturnX wrote:
For the question of the ciphertext being a substitution cipher, the easy route would be to look at "57 75 57". Also, assuming we have to put in the spaces ourselves, we need to take a look at "83 79 79 83". It certainly doesn't cover everything, but here are the only possibilities I could come up with for those sets of numerical pairs being words in a simple substitution cipher:

"57 75 57" could be:
dad, did, dud, ere, eve, gag, gig, hah, heh, huh, mom, non, pep, bob, pop, wow, yay

"83 79 79 83" could be:
sees, deed, noon, peep

This isn't an exhaustive list, but there were some that it obviously couldn't be (i.e. "poop"). Also, it's possible that there is a break between any of those pairs of numbers. Finally, I think it's important not to forget Jay's hint: "Two of the pairs are mirrors and are grouped together twice. 27-72 and 57-75. Not sure what that could mean yet though. Common letters?". For "57 75 57" to appear might mean common letters, but there may be something more there with the fact that it's a 3 character long string of mirrored pairs.



'sees' would make sense with the video, 'sees now'

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MC_Loki
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Djeezna wrote:
Saw that on reddit. It's scaring me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENYqrxopLvk&feature=player_detailpage#t=360s


Well crap.

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ZargggModerator
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kralyk wrote:
Hazman wrote:

I used this one. It gave me the correct translation for the description

http://textop.us/Text-Convert/Octal

That means it adds +1 to each digit, which is moronic...

EDIT: the tool actually outputs correct digits, notice they are all in range 0~7. It's just a misleading description...

Yes, I see that too. The description at the top is wrong. Octal is another name for number base 8, which uses the digits 0 through 7 in each number place.

I tested it with a space, which returns "040". 40 base 8 is 32 base 10, which is the correct ASCII code for the space character.

However, it is still a misconception that an octal number needs three digits. That's simply a carryover from the fact that old ASCII codes were often given in octal. The original ASCII values range from 0 to 127 base 10, or 0 to 177 base 8, a three digit number.

(Edit: Corrected the actual reason.)

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Baras
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MC_Loki wrote:
Djeezna wrote:
Saw that on reddit. It's scaring me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENYqrxopLvk&feature=player_detailpage#t=360s


Well crap.


Could someone who has a better internet connection than me perhaps summarize what this is? Please and thank you.

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ZargggModerator
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 		Spoiler for OOG discussion.
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
If it's the segment I'm thinking of, they're telling how they considered putting a major spoiler for the end of the series in a cipher that cannot be broken without the key, but not giving us the key until the end of the series.

Basically, the implication is that this is said cipher and that Troy is trolling us.


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Baras
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 		^^^Thank you. I think that was discussed a little a few pages back. Not discussed enough in my opinion.

It could be that but would Jay be feeding us so many hints if that were the case?

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Hazman
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Baras wrote:
^^^Thank you. I think that was discussed a little a few pages back. Not discussed enough in my opinion.

It could be that but would Jay be feeding us so many hints if that were the case?


To troll? Don't feed the trolls?

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kralyk
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SaferSaturnX wrote:
For the question of the ciphertext being a substitution cipher, the easy route would be to look at "57 75 57". Also, assuming we have to put in the spaces ourselves, we need to take a look at "83 79 79 83".


I tried variants of substitution cipher a thousand times... Here is the tool I used that makes substitution ciphers very easy to crack:

http://www.blisstonia.com/software/WebDecrypto/index.php

It solves substitution ciphers for you based on dictionary and probability. I was never able to get anything out of those numbers, though. And the tool does consider even weird words.

I highly doubt this is a simple substitution cipher, or any of its slightly more complicated variations like 4-square etc. After having spent some time with the numbers, I think it's most likely this is some kind of a polyalphabetic cipher, like a modification of Vigenere or something similar. Or perhaps even something enimga-style - a stateful cipher.

I could be wrong, of course. It could also be some simple, but really really obscure cipher...

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Abalone
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kralyk wrote:


http://www.blisstonia.com/software/WebDecrypto/index.php


I highly doubt this is a simple substitution cipher, or any of its slightly more complicated variations like 4-square etc. After having spent some time with the numbers, I think it's most likely this is some kind of a polyalphabetic cipher, like a modification of Vigenere or something similar. Or perhaps even something enimga-style - a stateful cipher.

I could be wrong, of course. It could also be some simple, but really really obscure cipher...


Thanks for the link! I am also leaning toward the polyalphabetic possibility. I'm just going to keep cracking away when I have time. I'll certainly post if I find anything.

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kclbm4
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 		Tim said earlier that the key to the cryptogram is in his textbook.. Because of all the trouble we're having, I actually think the best lead we have is finding what textbook he uses. Wink

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