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ReeseSparrow
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Pauper wrote:
My first reaction to darmam0o's wall of text post was also thinking that he could be trosephim. It's just too perfect. If you aren't him / them / it than congrats on being altogether awesome. Of course a new post like this could also be me/ him trying to throw the trail off him / me / it. That is if I am who I say I am. Am I?
Remember: YOU ARE WHO YOU ARE YOU ARE YOU BUT WHO ARE YOU


I am Gotham's reckoning!
But also, wracking my brain for the past week on this code still hasn't yielded any results. I'm wondering if Jay's post about Tim's hint is saying a sequential order? Or if he's clueing at something more like the grid layout from the Nihilist cipher. Polynumeric/polyalphabetic still seems like it's the most likely layout of the cipher...but it could be more of a layered thing.. aka, the difference between digits or pairs representing a number, representing a letter...we have to go deeper..

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Jingleman wrote:

Did anybody else read that and think that "given enough time" means "once we give you the rest of the puzzle pieces you need?"


Yes, I thought the same when I read it.
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13 24 35 46 57 68 79 83 95 03 15 27 39
an bo cp dq er fs gt hu iv jw kx ly mz


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ReeseSparrow
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 		This is an impressive compilation of all the things that have been done on this code so far! It looks like the only way we're going to make any progress is by systematically going through every different pattern and cipher we can, and trying to avoid repeating it. Given that Troy said it was just a matter of time, it must be a matter of getting lucky or ruling other methods out. Even so, with the number of ciphers, patterns, key words, and possible methods of deduction, it may yet be a long while before this one is solved.

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SaferSaturnX
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Mehetabel wrote:
SaferSaturnX wrote:
Jay has given use 2 sets of ciphertext.


Three.
Code:
A: 79758327727224
   83756813832779
B: 688357682483
   797983577557
C: 9513390313793583953179

The third came from a tweet.

I was under the assumption that codes A and B were deciphered from one key and were one whole message (rather than two separate messages), but so far there's no information to support either theory.

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ReeseSparrow
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SaferSaturnX wrote:
Mehetabel wrote:
SaferSaturnX wrote:
Jay has given use 2 sets of ciphertext.


Three.
Code:
A: 79758327727224
   83756813832779
B: 688357682483
   797983577557
C: 9513390313793583953179

The third came from a tweet.

I was under the assumption that codes A and B were deciphered from one key and were one whole message (rather than two separate messages), but so far there's no information to support either theory.


So far we can say that it's not really safe to assume anything. Given the clues that we have and saying that it's solvable, yet none of our answers make sense we can deduce that our inability to solve this is based on false assumptions. There is no guarantee that A/B is the same as C. The only thing pairing all 3 sets together is repeated number pairs, which points towards the code being related, but it could just be coincidence. Unfortunately there isn't enough information here to go strictly from a statistics standpoint..Except maybe...does anyone have Nate Silver's number?

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SaferSaturnX
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 		Re: That top YouTube comment and more
Because people continue to ask about it on YouTube (I'm really sorry for the size)
darmam0o wrote:
About that 2/5 thing. I tried to work on the idea of "2-pairs" representing a consonant and "5-pairs" representing a vowel, or vice versa. Maybe new piece of code have rendered this unrelevant, or maybe it will work with "11-pairs" (13, 24, 35, 68, 57, 79; mirrors 31, 75 - in fact, all "2-pairs") and "12-pairs" (03, 27, 39; 83, 95; a mirror 72). I don't see how we can get something from substitution ciphers, simple, Vigenère or Playfair, with any random keywords, until we understand this +11/+12 pattern.

Wow, I totally didn't see the 11-pairs/12-pairs thing before this. I don't know if it was mentioned before, but it seems WAY to unlikely to be a coincidence (then again, we said the same thing about the 2/5 pattern...).

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 		Looked over the video again to see if there were any clues to what kind of cipher it could be and noticed that the TV at 0:10 shows a test card with blocks of colour in a pattern of 2 rows of 7, like the first part of the code, and beneath is an unfinished row of 6:



Edited with the right colours: Could be a coincidence but I mapped the numbers to the colours anyway.
Code:
W    Y    C    G    M    R    B
79   75   83   27   72   72   24

B    N    M    N    C    N    W
83   75   68   13   83   27   79

B    W    M    N
68   83   57   68

Might spark some lightbulbs, you never know!

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 		The top row is white, yellow, cyan, green, magenta, red, blue.
Second row is blue, black, magenta, black, cyan, black, white.
Third row is blue, white, magenta, black. (I think. The glare's pretty bad.)
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ReeseSparrow
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 		Color* Silly brits. Okay guys, I've got it, on the suggestion of a friend, I've ingested an obscene amount of acid and I'm going to watch all the ToTheArk videos while on it! Will post my results soon....oh god my hand is melting.

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TheFuss
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Mehetabel wrote:
The top row is white, yellow, cyan, green, magenta, red, blue.
Second row is blue, black, magenta, black, cyan, black, white.
Third row is blue, white, magenta, black. (I think. The glare's pretty bad.)


It's weird that now you've said that I can see the differences. Thanks dude, I'll have a think about it again now.

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 		The TV has a standard SMPTE color bar set. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMPTE_color_bars

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TheFuss wrote:
Mehetabel wrote:
The top row is white, yellow, cyan, green, magenta, red, blue.
Second row is blue, black, magenta, black, cyan, black, white.
Third row is blue, white, magenta, black. (I think. The glare's pretty bad.)


It's weird that now you've said that I can see the differences. Thanks dude, I'll have a think about it again now.

I'm assuming it's your average TV's color bars.

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Still no progress on this code. Tim suggested that there might be an order the numbers are supposed to go in before it can be deciphered.


This seems odd... would each segment need ordered separately or altogether?

Altogether seems unlikely, unless you consider the third segment to be sort of like a key. Because if there is an order that requires all three segments then the thing would be undecipherable until all the numbers were gathered.

Thing is though... if they can be ordered individually. Then the third one might be the easiest to figure out the order for... but... ugh my head hurtd.

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A couple of number pairs follow another pattern, I think. The second number increases by two. 83-95 and 27-39.


39 only occurs in the third segment... but 27 only occurs in the first segment.

Edit 2:
That said...

There are only two pairs that appear in all three segments.
79 and 83.

I can't even find a starting point to be able to start ordering the numbers.

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EmeraldWind wrote:
I can't even find a starting point to be able to start ordering the numbers.

I think that last tweet was a hint that we do have to treat it backwards, but still.

EDIT: Also, I just calculated the metric entropy of codes A and B and it's 0.05516 (the closer to 1, the more random). If I take code C as well, it drops to 0.04048, so considering them to have the same encoding is not unreasonable.

I don't think anyone did this since code C, so here's the total number frequency:
Code:
0.014 -> 0
0.054 -> 1
0.081 -> 2
0.189 -> 3
0.027 -> 4
0.122 -> 5
0.041 -> 6
0.216 -> 7
0.135 -> 8
0.122 -> 9


EDIT2: If you replace 0-9 in the reversed code with the letters from "continueon" you get
Code:
IN NE NE EN TO NE NE
NE NE TO TO OU NE TO

TO IN OU EN TO OU
EN NE EN TO NE NE

NN OT TN CT OT EN TN OT NN TO EN

Which is interesting because some distinct number pairs translate into the same (e.g. NE = 27, 57, 97). I used "continueon" because it has 10 letters and the 'seventh' is 'e', but obviously, although interesting, the result is not intelligible.

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 		To add to the info, I should point out that
MC_Loki wrote:
Throwing this out there for anyone else still trying to decode the last segment at the end, don't know if it's relevant or not. The tones played form a perfect 5th interval.

those notes are B0, F1, B1.

EDIT: My bad, it's F1 not F0 (which doesn't exist) as I previously said. Checked this a long time ago, should have checked again before posting.

EDIT2: Scratch that, those frequencies are too low to be right. I'll isolate the sound and try a better program to analyse it. I'm really sorry.

EDIT3: I was not too wrong after all, the peak frequencies in that time interval are in fact B0, F#1 and B1/C#2. They're too low to be heard, though. From the raw sound, the audible peaks are B2/F#4, F#3 and then E3. I'm attaching the graphs for more details.

I don't think any of this is relevant, though.
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