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[VIDEO] Entry 67
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Animal
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^logged in just to say, respect.

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:05 am

Geneaux486
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Quote:

It's not my fault that you guys don't have as high expectations for these entries as me.

This is roughly the only thing I disagree with. It's not a matter of high expectations vs. low expectations, it's simply a matter of differing expectations. Take entry 65, for instance. You took issue with the fact that Tim's confession took place in the abandoned hospital, saying they could have simply filmed it somewhere else and had Tim point out the room to Jay on their next visit. Why would that have been better? Having Tim divulge his darkest secrets to Jay was more profound taking place in the hospital, and that thematic significance is just as important as how far along the plot is advanced, or how much new information is given to us in the entry. Furthermore, though Tim didn't say much that we didn't assume already, the fact that he's telling Jay these things himself, things he clearly struggles with reliving, is what makes that scene important, not the addition of new information or lackthereof. It represented an important turning point in their partnership which had been very strained up until that point. This is what I mean by differing expectations. I found plenty of valid reasons as to why 65 was a good entry, you were hoping for other elements of the overall story to take priority, but it's all of these elements together that make the series so great, not just some of them. Criticism or lacktereof does not inherently make one more passionate about the series, it simply denotes personal preference, the reasons why each of us enjoy this show.

But like I said, otherwise, I agree with what you've said here.

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:19 am

DJay32
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pravado wrote:

The same thing with Tim's backstory I'm constantly seeing. People were saying it wasn't confirmed Tim was a patient there until he admitted it last entry. But we had that confirmation in entry 60.5 when Jay showed us the papers.

I've gotta step in here, while I do agree with things you're saying, this is something that PEOPLE KEEP SAYING AND IT FRUSTRATES ME.

Tim did not confirm he was a patient at the hospital, or I mean he did but who the hell would take notice of that, of course we already knew that. Tim revealed that that was his room. I honestly found that extremely interesting, I found it to be the second-most interesting part of the entry besides the new tape. Because that was the same room he appeared in in Entry 51, the same room where Jay said the fire probably started. The papers didn't tell us that that was Tim's room. We could maybe guess if we were feeling assumptive but there was no solid way of knowing that until Tim revealed it.

Tim was basically revealing that he burned the hospital down.

And the papers, as much as you may praise them, did not tell us that.

...aside from that you make very good points. This was just a pet peeve of mine.

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:33 am

ReeseSparrow
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Re: Operator Symbol?

Serum wrote:

RevDickJenkins wrote:

Maybe the symbol really does "summon" TO, or acts as some kind of porthole from Operator-land to Normal-land, which was essentially Alex saying "Hey yo, I'm in trouble Op-dawg, mind getting yo pasty white ass over here and saving a homie, man?"

The Operator looks up, dramatically-- "My Slendy senses are tingling!"

This. Yes.

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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:39 am

ak1287
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Geneaux486 wrote:

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It's not my fault that you guys don't have as high expectations for these entries as me.

I suppose I might be missing pravado's point, but it seems to me that since you disagree with that portion of his statement, it's almost impossible to agree with the rest.

I mean, saying

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It's cool to be passionate about something you love and praise it. But don't get mad when it doesn't live up to expectations of people who are arguably more passionate about it than you.

makes me think that pravado is of the opinion that HIS expectations are the ones that must be met, because he, and others who share his views, are the more passionate fans. That attitude strikes me as arrogant to an extreme.
I've always been a fan of slow-burn storylines, and I think season 3 is doing that fairly well. Each entry has reiterated information, but they've all introduced elements as well. My expectations for season 3 have been high, and have so far been (mostly) met. If that makes me a less passionate fan, then so be it.

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:34 am

MistrPibb
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so this probably happened while Tim was gone after being slendered away because he has the chest cam

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:59 am

krareg
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Spoilered for rant.

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Can we just have two threads for each entry from now on? One in which people praise/bitch about the quality of the entry (i.e. pravado vs the rest of the world threads :p), and threads in which we discuss the actual fucking content, and where we can theorize and speculate? I'm so bloody tired of actual discussions getting sidetracked and muddied by this endlessly self-repeating troll-fest. Get a life, people.
With that out of the way:

We see Tim wearing the chest-cam. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume the thing was recording the whole time, and Tim edited parts out - including the ending where he beats up Alex - before he gives it to Jay. Hoody left the tape so Jay would know that "He is a liar."

Assuming this is true (and that's a big if), events in entry #65 left little time for switching the camera on or off, yet, there are cuts to new shots the whole time. What more is Tim hiding from us/Jay?

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:06 am

KTsteve
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krareg wrote:

Spoilered for rant.

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Can we just have two threads for each entry from now on? One in which people praise/bitch about the quality of the entry and threads in which we discuss the actual fucking content, and where we can theorize and speculate? I'm so bloody tired of actual discussions getting sidetracked and muddied by this endlessly self-repeating troll-fest. Get a life, people.
With that out of the way:

ALL OF MY THIS^^

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I like discussing the OOG good/bad of entries but I do NOT think it belongs in a discussion thread about the entry. It's not just pravado, hence the edit on your quote, there are multiple people on both sides. The die hard fanboys who treat trosephim like perfect gods, the unsatisfiable dirks who watch the entries only to find the flaws, and then there are those in the middle, who find some good and some bad things with each entry. Either way that sort of stuff belongs in an OOG thread. I'm just as annoyed by "ZOMG XD BEST ENTRY EVER!!!" As I am by "ugh this was the worst thing I've seen, FILLER FILLER FILLER!!!" Make separate threads or enforce OOG spoiler quotes. This would also remove those who do it to troll as it would reduce the attention it gets.

Also to pravado, I wasn't saying anything against you shooting down peoples idiotic theorys that were already proven wrong years ago. I love it when anyone does that, so I don't have to do it myself.

Though I'd love to see the operator symbol actually used for something, I think it's just another insane scribbling of slendy haunted people. They intend to leave sort of warnings to others, only do to their state of mind the drawings don't make much sense. The circle with an X is just their way of saying he has no face. Though I'll admit it could mean something, and the circle by Alex's foot does look kinda like one.

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I think we came to the general agreement this happened after 65, since 65 ended with the camera just pointing at the ceiling. It could've run out of tape at this point, or like you said, the ending of the tape might have been edited out by Tim. I think we'll figure out which next entry, which I again hope is another Tim/Jay fight.

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:17 am

paladin181
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pravado wrote:

censura_umbra wrote:

missingnocchi wrote:

I want to reiterate that any distortion, missing clips, and missing audio in this entry may or may not have been the doing of Hoody. OOG, yes, trosephim removed what they removed for a reason. But this is a damaged tape, and the missing information may be entirely unintentional on Hoody's part.

Rant warning

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I agree with pravado to an extent. I find it very ironic that users have devoted entire posts to criticize him for criticizing other users in his posts. And a lot of the users he's criticized have been guilty as charged. Mentioning a well established fact or theory as a possible new development is diluting this forum almost as badly as the bickering. I mean, it's one thing to forget something that happened a season or two ago. Having rewatched the series several times, I can say that I always come across something I missed, or something that takes on new meaning in the context of later videos. But the people JUST NOW suggesting that TO and Alex may be working together are extremely frustrating

End rant

People are saying it is now concrete. before TO just showed up and everyone ran, this time he showed up when Alex was about to die.

But he did that in entry 45 too. He was in a life threatening situation and TO came to the rescue. You can't say it's proven true because it's the second time this happened. The first time was the confirmation. Otherwise there would have to be infinite tests to prove it falsifiable. Karl Popper, anyone?

The same thing with Tim's backstory I'm constantly seeing. People were saying it wasn't confirmed Tim was a patient there until he admitted it last entry. But we had that confirmation in entry 60.5 when Jay showed us the papers. Same thing with Hoody/Tim hating Alex, entry 45 more than proved that. This entry didn't confirm anything for me, as everything they've "confirmed" was inferred before by using context clues.

One of my main beefs is inconsistency with distortions. The teleportation tear has not happened for a while when it should, and it seems like they only remove audio when it's convenient for filming purposes. For example, when hoody was sneaking up on alex, all audio was removed, even though you could tell whoever was playing hoody was making a lot of noise and alex should have been able to hear it. Just because you can remove the audio and pass it off as an operator distortion or a dirty tape distortion doesn't mean it's the best solution.

I fully appreciate all the work they put into the series. I just think they're capable of spending more time on the entries and scripts and really fleshing them out.

45 didn't prove anything about TO because we just see them look up, and then run. However, this is the second time they've almost killed Alex. After more than one almost death, you just stop caring. Why? Because the character can't die.

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Not until it makes sense. And if it DOES make sense, then we're back to people being protected by the script. Want to add a gritty sense of realism to your series? Kill off a seemingly important character while they're still important.

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:18 am

krareg
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Joined: 05 Jan 2013
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KTsteve wrote:

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I agree that #67 comes after #65, I'm just wondering why there are so many cuts in #65. It doesn't seem like Tim would have had the time to switch the chest-cam on/off, nor was he focused on the camera. So if #67 comes after #65, what happened between the shots in #65? And who deleted that footage? Tim? But he's never been shown to be very tech-savy. Hoody (while Tim was lying in the grass unconscious)? Jay? Slendy? Revitalized-by-Slendy-Alex perhaps? And I'm guessing/hoping for a Jay/Tim bitchfight too.

Also, it's a gun. No, really. he's touching it that way because he doesn't believe his eyes. (Who would, after what just happened?)

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:27 am

ledzepfilm
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It must have been Jay. He could of removed the uninteresting parts. Although, when they were at Rosswood, the camera was probably distorted and cut on its own.

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:40 am

censura_umbra
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I think we can all agree that what Tim was holding at the end of the entry was a Black rectangle. Because that is all we saw, and really, no one has any reason to believe it was a gun or a phone except for their own personal feelings. (except there WAS a gun enthusiast that said no way it was a gun). It is equally possible it was a gun or a phone.

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Though, if it were a gun I feel they would have made it a little more obvious, to advance the plot a little.

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:49 am

ledzepfilm
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missingnocchi wrote:

Another is that Tim has still been keeping secrets from Jay.

This is an older post, but this sentence instantly reminded me of TTA's Messages. "Tell us, you've been keeping secrets."

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:58 am
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michaelO2000
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Jay's fault

I know that a lot of people are going to disagree with me one this, but what if Jay is "the liar" Maybe Jay did something and that is why TTA is sending him all of these messages so that he will feel guilty. Maybe Jay killed Jessica and just forgot it, but has recently started to remember what happened. In Entry #19 Jay confesses that he has been recording himself just like Alex did, so if he was keeping secrets then, he could also be keeping secrets now.

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:53 pm

Kraehtot
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I was thinking about that. We just know that someone (male) is a liar, but we do not know exactly who and we had assumed to early it was about Tim.
Well, I still think it is about Tim but I also thought it would be refering to someone else (who knows. Jay, Alex, TO???? xD)

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