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[VIDEO] Entry 67
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censura_umbra
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Geneaux486 wrote:
pravado wrote:
Jay took his pills in one entry, and when he goes back Masky is waiting there. Jay was the reason Tim went Masky in that house (who we are all assuming to be Brian's house, it was never confirmed)


The pills don't seem to be an actual deterent though, at least not directly (plus, if Tim was in his right mind before Jay took the pills, why would he have been storing them in an abandoned house in the first place? You could make the argument that Tim was squatting there out of necesity, but given that he was able to rebuild his life after the events of season 2 in about a year, three years without incident would have allowed him to do the same). We saw in the most recent entries that even when Tim downs the pills, he still reverts to his masked state, meaning the pills could have limited effectiveness, fluctuating effectiveness, or none at all in preventing Tim's fugue states. Granted, this was the only instance in which we got to directly observe what happened to Tim after taking the pills, so it isn't enough evidence to prove that the pills do nothing, but it also keeps us from concluding that the pills definetely do something.

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In entry 9 when Alex yells at Sarah, Seth doesn't say anything. A boyfriend would intervene right there.


He probably realized, like the rest of us, that she deserved it. A good boyfriend wouldn't try to stand in the way of his girlfriend learning from her mistakes.


How about this for a theory? (You may want to sit down)

Brian, who was friends with Tim forever, knows of Tim's condition, and has vowed to stop The Operator, has been using his house as a creepy base of operations as TTA. He stole Tim's pills (because we know he isn't above that) because he saw Tim in the interview and wanted Tim to remember/act and he had Tim's pills in his house and told Jay to "come get some" then jay showed up, saw a house that seems every suitable for TTA and found pills that he brought home. When Tim/Masky came looking for his pills he found Brian/Hoody/TTA who said that Jay took them. Because THIS is when masky comes in. At the time we automatically assumed Masky was the one filming and posting weird puzzles, but what if that is what TTA wanted us to think. He used masky as a proxy. A proxy used to proxy a proxy.

Remember how when Jay went back to the house the door was off the hinges? Maybe that is because Masky broke in, looking for his stolen pills. If he was squatting there, he wouldn't have needed to break in.

I don't think we will ever know anything to this detail, but I think it is very possible.

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But we do know the pills control Tim's masky state. Entry 61 flat out proved that. When Tim starts to have a seizure he looks frantically for his pills. When he can't find them, he goes masky (his leg injury comes back and he grabs the mask and runs off to rosswood)

The fact that he reached for his pills implies they cure w/e was going to happen to him. And what happened to him? He went masky


When Jay goes to the house, he takes the pills. A day or two later he goes back and finds masky waiting for him, who takes his pills back. I don't think we need to analyze why Tim was there, as we will most assuredly never get an answer for it so it's all going to be guesses at best anyway. The important thing is that we know the pills help his condition, and when his condition gets really bad he goes masky.


As far as that theory censura, that's a huge stretch. It makes more sense to just conclude that masky was working with hoody and led Jay there. You're making it too complicated for what it actually is.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo

Negative effects
Similar to the placebo effect, inert substances have the potential to cause negative effects via the "nocebo effect" (Latin nocebo = "I will harm"). In this effect, giving an inert substance has negative consequences.

Another negative consequence is that placebos can cause side-effects associated with real treatment. One example of this is with those that have already taken an opiate, can then show respiratory depression when given it again in the form of a placebo.



This is taken from the Wikipedia page on the placebo effect. Read this if you are not familiar with what I'm referring to. The brain can condition itself to THINK their needs are being met with a drug. Anyway, I found the above part interesting, in relation to Marble Hornets.

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Do you really think they're going to reveal that Tim's pills were all placebo? It might be possible but you have to question if they'd want to deteriorate the quality of their built up story by giving a reveal like that.

Also I don't know how accurate that placebo thing may be in this case. The pills stop his coughing and throwing up blood entirely as masky. With a placebo he'd still have those side effects.

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Ztakk wrote:
This may be a way off the wall theory, but what if Hoodie is someone who found Marble Hornets online and is also part of the audience? Now here me out, it's already been established that Marble Hornets is supposed to take place in our universe somewhat since Tim found the stuff Jay has been uploading onto YouTube. So what if Hoodie found the Marble Hornets channel, knew something was up and so the "keeping secrets from US" is actually to "US" the viewers (Hoodie included). It'd be a brand new character we haven't seen before.


This could be interesting. Jay's determination to release everything to the public as well as Tim's belief that nobody cares does make me want a plot point where other people seeing the videos ends up coming in handy. If it turns out that it actually had been coming in handy for a while and we had been seeing how without realising it, that could potentially be a good way to follow up the point of the videos being posted online.

They'd have to be careful with how they pull it off though. They'd have to make the reveal satisfying enough that people aren't too disappointed that it wasn't an existing character, perhaps by gradually revealing things about Hoody before they unmask him/her. Also, we'd need a explanation for why Hoody's so cryptic. Perhaps they were was a former victim of TO who got their life back on track, then saw the videos and redeveloped a somewhat malicious personality.

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Geneaux486
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pravado wrote:
But we do know the pills control Tim's masky state.


This is untrue. In fact, we have far more evidence to the contrary. As I said, we saw Tim down the pills and enter his fugue state anyway, proving, at the very least, their limited effectiveness, if not their total ineffectiveness.

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When Tim starts to have a seizure he looks frantically for his pills. When he can't find them, he goes masky (his leg injury comes back and he grabs the mask and runs off to rosswood)


All that proves is that Tim thinks the pills will help, and this is, again, offset by the fact that when we did see him take them in entry 65, they were revealed to have done nothing in entry 67.

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When Jay goes to the house, he takes the pills. A day or two later he goes back and finds masky waiting for him, who takes his pills back


If Tim was in his right mind before Jay took the pills, the pills would not have been in the abandoned house, and if they were moved there without Tim's consent, how would he have known they were in the house? The evidence we have simply does not support your theory, and contradicts it frequently as I have proven.


In short, we have no idea what the pills do, but they certainly don't seem to be a reliable deterrent for Tim's fugue states.

EDIT: Though after some thinking, I decided that I do agree with Pravado's "Seth isn't dating Sarah" theory. The fact that Seth was silent while Alex yelled at Sarah is proof of their lack of a relationship because if he were her boyfriend, he'd be yelling at her for fucking up the scene himself like a responsible man.

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Or he would have yelled at Alex for yelling at his girl, like a boyfriend should. :V

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Geneaux486
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twistedpuppet wrote:
Or he would have yelled at Alex for yelling at his girl, like a boyfriend should. :V


Fan of the "spare the rod" approach, eh? It's gentler, but it's not how she'd learn.

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Honestly I think the placebo idea would be more satisfying - look at the options:

A supernaturally fueled entity/fugue state that can take over a person can be controlled or supressed by prescription medication. I'd be really dissapointed if science and medicine had a direct way to mitigate the supernatural elements, even if the pills are demonstrated to have a large negative impact on his body.

An individual has a belief that the medication is helping him ward off this supernatural state, but really its a lot more about willpower and the fortification that his mind gets from his prescription "security blanket".

I personally like the ambiguity at the moment and hope we don't get a concrete answer on the pills.

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Geneaux486 wrote:
twistedpuppet wrote:
Or he would have yelled at Alex for yelling at his girl, like a boyfriend should. :V


Fan of the "spare the rod" approach, eh? It's gentler, but it's not how she'd learn.


:/ Alex was being a jerk to her straight up. Why would her boyfriend not want to defend her against someone being a total douchecock? If he was any kind of man he would definitely tell Alex to fuck off, or throw him off the gazebo.

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twistedpuppet wrote:
:/ Alex was being a jerk to her straight up. Why would her boyfriend not want to defend her against someone being a total douchecock? If he was any kind of man he would definitely tell Alex to fuck off, or throw him off the gazebo.


She wasn't giving Alex what he was paying her for, and continued to say her lines awkwardly despite his repeated requests that she not. Her bad behavior would have been Seth's reponsibility had he been dating her. I do agree that gazebo throwing would have been appropriate though, but not to Alex.

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Geneaux486 wrote:
twistedpuppet wrote:
:/ Alex was being a jerk to her straight up. Why would her boyfriend not want to defend her against someone being a total douchecock? If he was any kind of man he would definitely tell Alex to fuck off, or throw him off the gazebo.


She wasn't giving Alex what he was paying her for, and continued to say her lines awkwardly despite his repeated requests that she not. Her bad behavior would have been Seth's reponsibility had he been dating her.


Maybe he could have afforded to pay her if he didn't spend so much on tapes...

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jackofnotrades wrote:
Maybe he could have afforded to pay her if he didn't spend so much on tapes...


*Troy lets out a quiet "OH SNAP!" behind the camera*

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This page is why I love this website...

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Geneaux486 wrote:
twistedpuppet wrote:
:/ Alex was being a jerk to her straight up. Why would her boyfriend not want to defend her against someone being a total douchecock? If he was any kind of man he would definitely tell Alex to fuck off, or throw him off the gazebo.


She wasn't giving Alex what he was paying her for, and continued to say her lines awkwardly despite his repeated requests that she not. Her bad behavior would have been Seth's reponsibility had he been dating her. I do agree that gazebo throwing would have been appropriate though, but not to Alex.


:/ I'm just going to assume that your misogynist comments are meant to be a really really really bad joke.

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