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Bristel Goodman: Game On?
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jabroni
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Good catch, I didn't think to download the file again. So I can see two codes in the video, not sure if there are more:

The first code is in a special font: Masonic Code

Using this font the text is: hijklmnopqrstukvajvt which is rot-19: "abcdefghijklmndotcom"

The second code is braille for "stream"

So I assume this is a new website but I can't find the right url. I tried abcdefghijklmn.com, hijklmnopqrstu.com, putting stream at the beginning and end of these... nothing.

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The word "course" from the final line of the poem means "to stream" when used as a verb.

The word "corse" is an antiquated way of saying "corpse".

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I noticed that of the last clues "abcdefghijklmndotcom" is "(14 letters).com". BristelGoodman is 14 letters. And "stream" are 6 of them.
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jabroni
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Ahh! I swear I noticed that too. But I only tried streamingblood.com. How about
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bloodstreaming.com
. Looks like a 404 page, but it's really not. I am at work now so I don't have time to check it out, but there appears to be stuff hidden in the source.

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ModalRealism
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BloodStreaming.com

Things I've found:
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In the source code "RoBlIN HOod" is listed as part of the font family. There is a Robin Hood font, but certainly no "Roblin" Hood font. I also found that if you click on the warning triangle (upper left) that you get two input fields. "Blood" and "Streaming" don't work. Neither do "RoBlIN" or "Hood". Interestingly "RoBlIN HOod" anagrams to "RHINO Blood" (using the clues capitalization). But neither "RHINO Blood" or "Blood RHINO" works. Ugh.

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Bristel Goodman = BloodStreaming
a breakthrough after 7 years

I was around 7 years ago (SEVEN!), when many bright minds tried to solve this. I guess the brightest minds are with us now. Great work everyone (especially Jabroni and ModalRealism)!

While reviewing where we have been I re-read the poem:

as for Jimbooze
watched him lose
Jabroni failed
Jack prevailed
MickeyFinn who
Quit at 10
AB+ shall
corse again

The first four lines seem to just be taunting, no clues to speak of. But now that we know what we do, the last 4 lines make sense.
"AB+ shall, course and corse again" = Blood will stream again = Bloodstreaming

As for "MickeyFinn who, quit at 10" I went through the original BristelGoodman topic pages looking through MickeyFinn's postings and
sure enough, on page 10 MickeyFinn gives us the anagram "streaming blood" for Bristel Goodman. We were so close!

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17693&start=135

Are we to understand that Bloodstreaming.com has been online, undiscovered all these years?

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jabroni
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According to the whois record (http://whois.domaintools.com/bloodstreaming.com) it was around back then. I tried to use the Way Back Machine to see what it looked like in the past but there are no entries for it.

I was trying to figure out how we were supposed to solve this back then. I know the first big solve was blood.redirectme.net, and the second was unsolved. The "purity, innocence..." clue maybe was supposed to lead us to the word streaming? Although I don't see how.

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ModalRealism
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Thanks NoSubject, but I think LoveTick and you helped quite a bit as well. I'm somehwhat shocked that this could have been missed 7 years ago, but there ya go.
Thought I'd re-post this in the new Topic as I think it would be helpful.

Things I've found in the BloodStreaming index page:
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
In the source code "RoBlIN HOod" is listed as part of the font family. There is a Robin Hood font, but certainly no "Roblin" Hood font. I also found that if you click on the warning triangle (upper left) that you get two input fields. "Blood" and "Streaming" don't work. Neither do "RoBlIN" or "Hood". Interestingly "RoBlIN HOod" anagrams to "RHINO Blood" (using the clues capitalization). But neither "RHINO Blood" or "Blood RHINO" works. Ugh.



~~~~~ Sorry guys, I'm going to merge this into the other thread. N&R only allows for one thread per game. If the game needs multiple threads, you can put in a request for a subforum ~ Pixie
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thebruce
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Being my programmer self, I couldn't resist checking the SWF source, and yeah, the prominent actions must be highly encoded in the source (ie a browser direction to a google search for 'shuffling', or the page refresh)
Without digging into re-coding the source, it looks like it's decrypting meta data in the compiled SWF; likely inline script, possibly including the user/pass combo.
But presumably, the two text entry fields are a login/pass type entry form; just can't tell if it does/checks anything when you hit enter. Clicking "Try again" links to the website though.
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Thanks MR and NS and welcome back "thebruce". BTW, TB, I don't understand anything you wrote. (Well some of it. Maybe Rolling Eyes )

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thebruce
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There's also http://www.bloodstreaming.com/background.jpg linked in the css, but not attributed to any page content.

As for 'Roblin Hood', RBINHO are capitalized; however, the first letters of the font name words are all capitalized, so perhaps on BINO are significant?

For the flash content, I just mean that while you can make the two text entry fields appear by clicking the exclamation mark, I can't tell (yet?) if the forms actually do anything. At the very least, click 'Try Again' pushes the browser to the website (reloads the page).

So, IF the entry fields do something, it's got to be hard-coded into the flash content, but well encrypted. My brief decompile of the flash swf doesn't even show a command to load the specific website url when clicking 'Try Again', so that, at least, is encrypted in hidden binary/meta data.

In short: dunno yet if the input fields actually do anything. Razz
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jabroni
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I noticed that too. It looks like the flash file was encrypted using a program found at doswf.com.

Quote:
<![CDATA[<rdf><rdf><dc>Encrypted by DoSWF</dc><dc>Version:5.2.0\r\nUsername:dgardner@pop57.com.fr\r\nIndex:http://www.doswf.com\r\nAuthor:http://www.laaan.cn</dc></rdf></rdf>]]>


The meta data also shows a username: dgardnerSPLATpop57.com. I remember early on in the game gardner was some friend of Eddie's, but I thought the first initial was different.


Edit: Also I noticed the regular site, bristelgoodman.com, has changed. The home page is black, and it looks like all the directories have been deleted (smileyface and the video folders).

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Finger wagging

Bruce: Now that I understand what you wrote, sort of, I have the following comments:

When I was growing up my family played lots of games together, indoor and outdoor. I learned that each game had it's own set of rules but shared a common factor. Winning was never, in itself, the goal. And winning by any means other than by following the rules was neither fun nor honorable.

Somehow I can't imagine that tearing apart the code for a SWF file in order to find the solution to the puzzle follows any of the rules of the game. I would liken it to breaking into the teachers desk to find the answers to tomorrows test. Not fun, not honorable, not even clever. Oh, you may have the solution but did you really rise to the occasion?

I have found Bristel Goodman to be a frustrating, hair-pulling and challenging experience. I have never enjoyed having a solution but have been proud of myself when I have figured one out. I for one would like to attempt to solve this puzzle, not just crack it. So please if you must cheat your way through this, keep it to yourself. I want to have fun.

I suggest you re-read the 10 Commandments of ARGs (with special attention to #3, also #8


Quote:
3. Thou shalt not Brute Force
4. Thou shalt not seek what hides behind the curtain.


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thebruce
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Smile lovetick, I've been around the block a few times (as you can see in my profile). I'm well aware of ARG etiquette, from general fun to this forum's TOS, as well as why people like to tout the '10 commandments' of ARGs and where and why they're most applicable and effective... I'm also a moderator here for a reason Wink You can certainly trust me when I say that I gleaned nothing from the code, and if I did, then my followup actions would entirely depend on what I found.
Community and working together is always key, unless explicitly designed by the PMs not to be - and even at UF there is no way for a PM to force people to play a certain way like to work against each other (there have been plenty of instance about PMs complaining about how things work at Unfiction - but that's not Unfiction's problem, it's a design problem, as Unfiction has shaped its forum rules around what has worked best in the generally accepted favourable ARG projects).
As a light example, a PM might hard code a login into a web page's javascript source code, not realizing the someone could simply view the source code and find it there instead of the intended way. But... is that then "brute force"? Or is that PM oversight? At what point does one cross that line? Is there such a thing as cheating in an ARG? We've come to realize that really it is a matter of etiquette in context of the game, creators, and community. We generally accept that "brute force", for one, is directed at excessive and processor intensive actions that one person couldn't accomplish alone realistically (like running an automated script to try every password combination to a login, or trying to find hidden URLs by requesting every possible sequence of letters, etc).

Anyway, my goal for viewing the flash file was not to "cheat", but to find out if the flash actually did anything - to find out if we actually have something to do or not. As soon as flash decompiling became something anyone could do with the right program, it became as "acceptable", effectively, as viewing a web page source code. You just need to decide if that would ruin the fun for the community, based on why you're doing it and what you do as a result.

I'm a programmer, coder, engineer; and a curious person (but definitely not a malicious one). It's a dangerous combination of traits for puzzle-makers who'd quite overtly make something challenging without setting limits Smile And I'm certainly not the only one.
And my finding here has told me that they know this - that there are people who will attempt to hack their way through puzzles (there always are) whether to skip them, solve them, or for pure curiosity - and are fortifying their content against it to great degree (more than typical). Smile

In short, I would never purposefully ruin an experience for other people as a result of my own curiosity. And BG has been around a looooong time; the recent discovery of the website had piqued my curiosity again Smile
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First let me say that I appreciate your thoughtful reply to my comments. As you probably have guessed I am not a programmer, coder or engineer. I am curious though. So tell me about "flash decompiling". If I were to "decompile" the SWF file to see if it "actually did something" would I also see the code for the solution as well as the action? If so I would feel like I had somehow cheated. I think that PMs want us to use the clues provided (in this case "RoBlIN HOod" and "shuffling", so far) to solve their puzzles. I am going to keep trying to do that.

(Oh and I'm very aware of your credentials and I wasn't questioning them. I'm actually quite happy to have you helping. In regards to my comments, all I can say is that my parents also raised me to be unintimidated by authority. It's not a matter of disrespect, just self confidence.)

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