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Who do you think is Hoody and post why.

Sarah
2%
 2%  [ 3 ]
Seth
13%
 13%  [ 17 ]
Brian
74%
 74%  [ 94 ]
Jessica
4%
 4%  [ 6 ]
Amy
3%
 3%  [ 5 ]
Sarah AND Seth. (Possible duo)
0%
 0%  [ 1 ]

Total Votes : 126

 
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censura_umbra
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TheOperator wrote:
censura_umbra wrote:
I thought at one point (I remember Jay was wet from the rain and they were in a barn?) They mentioned Seth was editing or putting finishing touches on some clips.

But if that isn't the case, didn't they mention that Brian went to school with Alex? That should mean he took editing classes.

I will look at the wiki later to check these


Alex said Seth and he were "going over the footage", yes. lol, a barn.


OT:

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what is your profile pic?



Okay, that sounds correct

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censura_umbra wrote:
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what is your profile pic?


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A white hornet. Kind of like a "marble hornet".


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Honestly, from a story standpoint it makes more sense to me for Hoody to be Brian.

There has been a lot of focus on him during this season and the "hidden" tapes from last season. Seth only appeared for a single cameo after the first season, so I don't see the same amount of plot time dedicated to him. If I'm mistaken, please point out what I might have missed.

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Lithp
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The biggest threat to that interpretation is that Hoody is obviously meant to be a surprise reveal. So, while we expect who it is to make sense, we also expect it to be someone that we've kind of forgotten about.

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That would actually be horrible storytelling. If an audience has forgotten about a character by the time their reveal happens, then that character was not given enough development.

If Hoody was meant to be Seth, then Seth should have been given more focus in the narrative than he has gotten so far. Even Jessica would be a more likely candidate than him.

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Lithp
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Uh. No. On several fronts.

First of all, it isn't "out of nowhere." Seth has been given focus. He was shown to have worked with Alex & had access to the tapes. What we've seen of Brian essentially consists of him acting like a tool for Alex's script & being attacked. We don't really have true "development" from either of them.

Second of all, if the character is constantly featured, then people expect him to play a larger role, & the reveal can't work. An audience forgets about something not because it received poor development, but because of the duration of time since that development.

Lastly, Jessica has gotten a lot of focus, but that does not de facto make her a good candidate. The characters with the most focus given to them--Jay, Alex, & Tim--are the least likely to be Hoody, because we've seen Hoody interact with them. Jessica is improbable for several reasons, which makes her a fairly bad candidate, regardless of how much attention she gets.

I don't see how you can think that's objectively worse than "the reveal is this guy we all expected." Especially when this is a well established plot device--the Chekhov's Gun. In fact, I'd wager there's never been a successful reveal--in that it both surprised & impressed the audience--that didn't use this method.

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TheOperator
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Seth isn't just someone who one might not expect though. He's someone who is difficult to even remember exists, if somebody's only watched through once. He has barely any focus. Choosing a tertiary character nobody remembers for your big reveal isn't clever, it actually feels a little cheap. Brian would be obvious, extremely obvious the moment anyone even begins to speculate about who Hoody could be. With Brian though, he's at least someone who feels relevant. So while it would be pretty cringe-worthy if Hoody were to be unmasked and Jay exclaimed "Brian!? Impossible!", it's better than Hoody being unmasked and Jay(and all the casual watchers) asking "...who are you again?".

This is one of the reasons I think it's Jessica. Brian's extremely obvious, Seth is far too minor, same for Sarah. Whereas Jessica is both somebody the audience remembers and somebody who is not extremely obvious. What are your "several reasons" that she's improbable? The only one I recall is that you wouldn't be able to buy that somebody masculine-looking like Hoody was actually a woman.

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McGregor
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Seth has been in three entries and has been mentioned in a few others. For someone who only worked behind the scenes of the Marble Hornets film, that's a good amount of screen time. And I'm not sure who that "nobody" is that you're referring to, but a lot of people remember him, especially since he's been brought up several times this season.

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According to Troy and co. he was one of the most requested characters.


What you're saying about Brian and his reveal being obvious is just dumb. First off, it was a million times more obvious who Masky was and that didn't make the unmasking of him any less awesome. Second, the information that we've actually gathered points to Brian more then any other character being Hoody and for some reason that means it shouldn't be him because that would be obvious? That's like a CSI agent gathering a bunch of evidence to who a murderer could be and then say "Nah, he's too obvious to be the killer."

I can see Jessica being more "memorable" then Seth but why Brian? They were in just about as many entries as each other. It's not like that matters anyway. If this is supposed to be thought of as a real life event, then Brian and Seth have been involved in this way more then she ever was. Jessica was also not involved in this until much later when Alex moved away, and we've been getting more and more clues that Hoody has been around since the beginning of all this.

And it would be "cringe-worthy" or "cheap" if Jessica was revealed to be Hoody when Hoodys build is everything but a womans.

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Xman
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TheOperator wrote:
So while it would be pretty cringe-worthy if Hoody were to be unmasked and Jay exclaimed "Brian!? Impossible!", it's better than Hoody being unmasked and Jay(and all the casual watchers) asking "...who are you again?".

I'd imagine they could do better than "Brian?! Impossible!" They're not going to make the reveal cringe-worthy. And I'm pretty sure Jay knows full well who Seth is. Even if the casual viewers didn't really know who Seth was (they should to some degree), why would they think it to be cheap? They would probably think it was clever and unexpected.

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Lithp
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Everyone, do try to chill out. I said that I think it's Brian. But I'm objective enough to realize that Seth has some good merits, too. There's no need to call my statement dumb or make absurd generalizations about "bad writing.

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The only one I recall is that you wouldn't be able to buy that somebody masculine-looking like Hoody was actually a woman.


>First of all, you're turning my explanation of an objective psychological phenomenon into a subjective statement of preference. I can't help but feel like you're doing that intentionally.
>To restate another of my arguments from that thread, as far as I know, they've literally never had a woman play Hoody. Almost like they never plan to.
>Like it or not, it's a predominately dudebro cast. You're not really playing the odds if you say that any woman is going to turn out important.
>They have a hard time getting a hold of Jessica, so it's unlikely that they would cast her for one of their most pivotal roles.
>Pretty sure Hoody was active in the hotel arc, & what are the logistics of Jessica going into a trance, donning a costume, following Jay, sneaking back to her apartment unnoticed, changing, & then snapping out of it, & going for a stroll to look like she was just casually hanging around when Jay shows up?
>Hoody searching for herself is...something.
>Jessica had no apparent Slenderstalking issues when Jay brought her into the woods.
>Jessica has no known connection to Marble Hornets aside from being Amy's friend.
>Related, what motive could she possibly have had, before Jessica disappeared?
>Why would she let Alex drag her into the woods? She could very easily say, "Uh, don't take this the wrong way, but I don't want to follow a stranger into the woods" & then Hoodystalk.
>If Hoody is against The Operator, as she appears to be, then why would she allow The Operator to appear in her room several times to manipulate her?
>After all of that, how would she get away from it?
>Why not just take Jay to do whatever she wants him to do, since they're already in close contact?

I could probably keep this up for at least a dozen more if I really sit here & rack my brain over this.

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Incase you thought I was, I wasn't referring to you in any way Lithp.

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Lithp
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I see. It's cool, I'm not angry either way, & now I see that my comment was more provocative than I would have liked. I do stand by the thing about "bad writing," though, that phrase gets thrown around way too much.

For perspective, back before I joined the forum, I was blindsided by the Tim reveal. Take that as you will.

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That's like a CSI agent gathering a bunch of evidence to who a murderer could be and then say "Nah, he's too obvious to be the killer."


This I do agree with. I quite dislike it when people try to ignore internal logic & argue entirely in terms of "What would I pull out of my ass if I wanted to outsmart my audience?" I think both forms of logic need to be applied. I'd say I'm the CSI agent who says, "A lot of the evidence points to Brian, but there's enough conflicting evidence to give some of the other suspects a look."

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Yathil
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Hello Unfiction, former lurker as of Season One's latter half here. Forgive me if I'm n00bish(like this post. I dun know where on the FAQs I'm supposed to know if "reply" or "new topic" is what I want).

Here's what it all comes down to for me: If TTA is a single person, it is Seth. If TTA is multiple people, it is Brian.

These theories exclude TiMasky, since we already know who he is(plus he and Hoody have a rocky relationship). I'm assuming that Tim's trying to solve the Survelliance code also would have been simpler if TTA was one person and Masky happened to be that person. I think as of 68 we can all agree for sure that Hoody is at least a guy, unless we have a girl similar in height and with identical clothes running around without a camera to film them(aside from that, body size is too difficult. It seems to vary). Aside from that, my two main theories all depend on ToTheArk's "membership".

I'm all for Seth being important. He's the cameraman, meaning not only is he good with cameras and film, but he's a low-profile individual. No one would notice too much if he disappeared, and all the better if he's trying to get back at Alex for possibly bringing him to TO. In some TTA videos (and a few actual Entries, if I remember) there's a watermark that looks like a stylized-but-warped S, which could serve as a hint to Jay of the presence of others from the Marble Hornets filming. Regardless of whether TTA is single or a group, I believe Seth plays a big role at least as far as videos go. For a single TTA mastermind, Seth makes sense due to all the resources we assume he is acquainted with. Also, he filmed Entry 22, probably the last of Alex's filming sacrifices. The big setback I see is that we do not have substantial footage of Seth outside of his own filming, so it could be a stretch to even say that Seth knows how to work cameras; Alex could have taught him those skills for all we know… but that's for a TTA thread.

If TTA is a group, it makes more sense for Brian to be Hoody. As I said, Seth seems more behind-the-scenes. If there's a group going on, I can see Seth easily wanting to fade completely out behind a username on youtube and contacting Jay and others that way, rather than stalking, attacking, running, or taking people's meds. We already know that Hoody and Masky are foils to each other in a few ways: Masky seems to be the main brawler, while Hoody runs or skulks about for the most part; Masky hides the whole truth while Hoody practically shouts to spill it all. It's also interesting that each time TiMasky has attacked Alex, he's been lured/ambushed by Hoody, who just watches the violence. Likewise from what we've been able to see of Brian, he's less hotheaded than Tim.

Either way, there's so much other stuff that counts into identities. I have a few theories on the entire storyline, relationships, and how TO fits in. Here's hoping we get Hoody's identity soon. Smile

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Lithp wrote:
Point 3 is where you lost me. They're finding tapes all over the place. Alex wasn't very good with keeping it to himself.


Ok that is true.

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Lithp wrote:
>First of all, you're turning my explanation of an objective psychological phenomenon into a subjective statement of preference. I can't help but feel like you're doing that intentionally.


Well, you're right that there are going to be some "come on!"s if Hoody turns out to be female. I don't think many people will really care that much though, especially if said people knew the difficulties of using a consistent actor. I don't really want to debate this point, as you seem set on it.

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>To restate another of my arguments from that thread, as far as I know, they've literally never had a woman play Hoody. Almost like they never plan to.
>Like it or not, it's a predominately dudebro cast. You're not really playing the odds if you say that any woman is going to turn out important.
>They have a hard time getting a hold of Jessica, so it's unlikely that they would cast her for one of their most pivotal roles.


They've never had a woman play Hoody because then the entries would come out at a snail's pace trying to get hold of them, plus the female actors are less willing to do things that Trosephim's circle of friends are. At the same time, they do have access to female actors and Troy is certain Jessica is still available. It's completely possible for them to bring her back, especially for a role that was mostly not played by her.

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>Pretty sure Hoody was active in the hotel arc, & what are the logistics of Jessica going into a trance, donning a costume, following Jay, sneaking back to her apartment unnoticed, changing, & then snapping out of it, & going for a stroll to look like she was just casually hanging around when Jay shows up?


How are you sure of that? If you'd like to point out a totheark video containing Hoody that was released while Jay was uploading hotel footage, go ahead. As far as I can tell, the only times we have seen Hoody is while Jessica was not preoccupied.

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>Hoody searching for herself is...something.


Hoody's dangling the prospect of finding Jessica in front of Jay with the message "shesouthere". If Hoody is Jessica, all this means is she's either manipulative or has a split-personality.

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>Jessica had no apparent Slenderstalking issues when Jay brought her into the woods.


Not while she was in the woods but she did after. It's very strange that she started exhibiting such severe symptoms - coughing and headaches - so soon after the encounter with Alex and Masky. Why is Jay less affected than her if she hasn't encountered TO until Entry #52?

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>Jessica has no known connection to Marble Hornets aside from being Amy's friend.


No relation to the student film doesn't mean she can't be related to TO and the events surrounding it.

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>Related, what motive could she possibly have had, before Jessica disappeared?


Being attacked by TO after returning to the apartment where Amy and Alex ran into it. Being personally attacked aside, the disappearance of her friend would be decent motivation for her taking on a different personality and joining totheark.

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>Why would she let Alex drag her into the woods? She could very easily say, "Uh, don't take this the wrong way, but I don't want to follow a stranger into the woods" & then Hoodystalk.


Split-personality, like with Tim and Masky. The Hoody personality wouldn't follow Alex but Jessica's side would.

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>If Hoody is against The Operator, as she appears to be, then why would she allow The Operator to appear in her room several times to manipulate her?


There's no allowing about it. She's not even aware of TO being in her room after it happened. Plus, as far as the Hoody side of her is concerned, it seemed it hadn't even resurfaced until Entry #33.

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>After all of that, how would she get away from it?


Hoody being more immune than Jessica. Same way Masky can get through the Rosswood tunnel and Jay in Return is ignored by TO.

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>Why not just take Jay to do whatever she wants him to do, since they're already in close contact?


Again, Hoody is Jessica's split-personality. While it seems more logical to take advantage of how the two know each other, for some reason Hoody decides against this. This behaviour is still strange even if Hoody is someone else, as Hoody seems to want to help Jay but constantly gives the impression that they're the enemy by acting menacing, not directly asking for an alliance and stealing Tim's pills - then taunting Jay about it. Whoever Hoody is, they are either too insane or have an ulterior motive that prevents them from making the logical decision of simply suggesting a partnership.

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