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Malckeor
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Shaoken wrote:
KTsteve wrote:
... because charles initials aren't cr....


But on the missing poster it startes with "Charles something jR." So it's not his initials, it's the first and last letter on the missing poster...granted it's probably not the smartest theory, I just looked at it and was like "huh, perhaps it's a subtle piece of misdirection."

On the discussion on who the proxy is;

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Everyone saying that Kate was only an hour ahead because of how recent CR's corpse was so she couldn't be masky, but we have no frame of reference for when he set himself on fire so saying it was only one hour is really based off nothing. At the very least it would be several hours after the fact since the corpse is not smouldering or smoking, so the fire has died out and the body cooled down and stopped smoking. She also had at least a day between jumping out her window and Lauren arriving since it's night when she jumps out and Lauren arrives in the afternoon, not to mention Lauren loses an entire night between stage two and three whereas we have no proof Kate and CR suffered such a setback on their path to the tower.

Realistically there is no proof within the game of when the body died or who the proxy is; I believe it's Kate because when I look at proxy the hair screams female. We have no idea for sure who CR is, and the poster for Chales M. JR starts with C and ends with R. Granted I've never found his final message so I can't speak to it's contents, but going off the lack of description it could mean his suicide by fire.

As to why it was there, Kate could have left it post-proxy in her insanity.

In short, to be blunt, there is no definitative proof either way; all we know is Kate's fate is unaccounted for and has the hair length to be corpsy, we don't know who CR actually is or what his story is beyond him dying, Kate had at least a one day head start on Lauren and there's no evidence she and CR had any delays there, CM as well is an unknown.


So really anyone who says that there is definiate proof one way or the other is a liar.


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Kate is NOT the proxy, as you can HEAR her in the final audio log of the game, crying as CR sets himself on fire (sounding relatively sane, or at least, not all snarly like the Proxy is), which happened SOME TIME RECENTLY before Lauren arrived. This means that Kate was ahead of you the entire game. Knowing this, HOW COULD SHE BE THE PROXY WHEN SHE'S AHEAD OF YOU IN THE HIKE TO THE TOWER? IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE! She can't be at the mine attempting to face-rape you, and ahead of you at the same time. The proxy is the fourth character: CHARLES MATHESON. The evidence is UNDENIABLE; the missing poster, the "final letter" signed "CHARLES M." that appears RIGHT OUTSIDE THE MINES, where the PROXY FIRST APPEARS.

I'm sorry for my straight-forward-ness, but the proxy is Charles Matheson. End of discussion. Now we must start speculating: Who was Charles? A child that went missing who was living in Kate's area some time ago sounds most likely. We'll probably get more on his backstory in the upcoming four sequels. What was he doing in the years that he's been missing? Scrounging around the mine?

He definitely has some of Slendy's teleportation powers, as he uses them to save Lauren from the burning building at the end of the extended Hardcore ending (Slendy's not done with her yet...CAN'T WAIT FOR THE NEXT GAME). The way he impossibly appears over wide areas of the mine in little time also shows that he can definitely teleport.


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Shaoken
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Malckeor wrote:
Shaoken wrote:
KTsteve wrote:
... because charles initials aren't cr....


But on the missing poster it startes with "Charles something jR." So it's not his initials, it's the first and last letter on the missing poster...granted it's probably not the smartest theory, I just looked at it and was like "huh, perhaps it's a subtle piece of misdirection."

On the discussion on who the proxy is;

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Everyone saying that Kate was only an hour ahead because of how recent CR's corpse was so she couldn't be masky, but we have no frame of reference for when he set himself on fire so saying it was only one hour is really based off nothing. At the very least it would be several hours after the fact since the corpse is not smouldering or smoking, so the fire has died out and the body cooled down and stopped smoking. She also had at least a day between jumping out her window and Lauren arriving since it's night when she jumps out and Lauren arrives in the afternoon, not to mention Lauren loses an entire night between stage two and three whereas we have no proof Kate and CR suffered such a setback on their path to the tower.

Realistically there is no proof within the game of when the body died or who the proxy is; I believe it's Kate because when I look at proxy the hair screams female. We have no idea for sure who CR is, and the poster for Chales M. JR starts with C and ends with R. Granted I've never found his final message so I can't speak to it's contents, but going off the lack of description it could mean his suicide by fire.

As to why it was there, Kate could have left it post-proxy in her insanity.

In short, to be blunt, there is no definitative proof either way; all we know is Kate's fate is unaccounted for and has the hair length to be corpsy, we don't know who CR actually is or what his story is beyond him dying, Kate had at least a one day head start on Lauren and there's no evidence she and CR had any delays there, CM as well is an unknown.


So really anyone who says that there is definiate proof one way or the other is a liar.


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Kate is NOT the proxy, as you can HEAR her in the final audio log of the game, crying as CR sets himself on fire (sounding relatively sane, or at least, not all snarly like the Proxy is), which happened SOME TIME RECENTLY before Lauren arrived. This means that Kate was ahead of you the entire game. Knowing this, HOW COULD SHE BE THE PROXY WHEN SHE'S AHEAD OF YOU IN THE HIKE TO THE TOWER? IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE! She can't be at the mine attempting to face-rape you, and ahead of you at the same time. The proxy is the fourth character: CHARLES MATHESON. The evidence is UNDENIABLE; the missing poster, the "final letter" signed "CHARLES M." that appears RIGHT OUTSIDE THE MINES, where the PROXY FIRST APPEARS.

I'm sorry for my straight-forward-ness, but the proxy is Charles Matheson. End of discussion. Now we must start speculating: Who was Charles? A child that went missing who was living in Kate's area some time ago sounds most likely. We'll probably get more on his backstory in the upcoming four sequels. What was he doing in the years that he's been missing? Scrounging around the mine?

He definitely has some of Slendy's teleportation powers, as he uses them to save Lauren from the burning building at the end of the extended Hardcore ending (Slendy's not done with her yet...CAN'T WAIT FOR THE NEXT GAME). The way he impossibly appears over wide areas of the mine in little time also shows that he can definitely teleport.


Your proof for this? No? Because it doesn't exist. We have no time frame for when:

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CR immolates himself


so it's all conjecture. It could be an hour before you get there, it could be a day. Plenty of time for

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Kate to come back down from the tower and head into the mines, or as you so graciously pointed out just teleport there with proxy powers.


My point stands, you can't prove a single thing you stated.

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  • You can't prove when CR burned himself.
  • You can't prove where Kate went after CR burned himself.
  • You can't prove that CR and Charles M. aren't one in the same.
  • You can't prove that there wasn't enough time for Kate to have come down from the mountain and into the mines before Lauren gets there, despite having at least two days unaccounted for between jumping out her window and Lauren arriving at the tower.


So really you just utterly ignored everything I said when repeating your conjecture you're passing off as pure fact.


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Yeah, I wasn't thinking clearly and wasn't considering both sides of the equation. Sorry I was so arrogantly straight-forward. I just feel that Charles Matheson's final letter being outside of the mines is proof enough that he's the Proxy. Also, Kate sounding not-snarly like the Proxy is in the final audio recording makes me believe that she's not the Proxy.

Of course, it IS possible that Charles Matheson and CR could be the same person, but...I don't know, I don't know. Why would he sign one letter as "Charles M" and the others as "CR?"

I NEED THE SEQUEL, PARSEC! PLEASE!


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She sounds normal before she witnesses her friend about to set himself on fire, who knows how long she was alone since we hear her run off and see no sign of her. My theory is that event broke her and she ended up becoming a proxy after her next run in with Slendy, took the elevator down and waited for Lauren to catch up.

As for Charles M. refering ot himself as CR, my theorisation would be it's a coping mechanism; CR is the mask he puts on to others, Charles M. is who he really is beneath that. We don't even know how CR and Kate know each other, only that CR asked Kate not to tell Lauren about it. All we know for certain about CR is that it's his body at the end because someone ran away and it was his screams at the recording's end, so it's unlikely he burned Kate to death while screaming in agony and then buggered off without finishing himself off.

There's also the question of who set the forest fire at the end. It couldn't have been from the self-immolation since that would cause all the hallways to be on fire as you run through them and all the wooden blanks and other compustables are also up in flames, and it couldn't have been set long before Lauren gets to the caves because she would have been able to see it from the other side since it's so drastic as to turn the sky red. The Proxy is behind you despite dubious teleportation powers since they don't just bamf into the tower building, and it seems like overkill from our friend Slendy.


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 		Kate is the proxy in my opinion anyway. And CR and Charles could be the same person.

Anyway, what about the Hardcore Ending?

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I have looked at about two different articles on what happened. The first one said that after the Proxy attacks you (Lauren) you get teleported to the top either by the Proxy using Slender Man's powers or Slender Man himself. Then you are thrown off and you land on the ground, but you wake up (which is unlikely, you can be dead while the camera lives). According to that article, the protagonist survives instead of dying like in the normal ending. (I don't think Lauren can survive a fall from that tower...) The other, which sounds most unlikely to me, is that Lauren had the "Observer's Symbol" run through her head many times, then she is teleported outside.


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 		I still refuse to believe that Kate was the proxy. There may not be much proof directed towards her not being the proxy, but in all honesty, there's no solid evidence that she is, either. Almost every aspect of this game's discussion regarding the proxy is speculation.

Personally, I think that Charles is the proxy, because there's no reason why he would be CR (as the initials of Charles' name aren't "CR". Seriously, why is this still a discussion?), and to include letters and a missing child poster (I'll bring this up later) with Charles' name on it makes him important to the story. The only other characters in the game are CR (whom I just explained I don't think the proxy is) and Kate, who I will explain now.

However far behind Lauren was (I'll assume a day or two, because of Slenderman slowing Lauren's pace down at the end of the Eight Pages level), I don't think that Kate could have proxy-converted so quickly. THAT is a completely opinion-based conclusion.

Using a bit more solid evidence based on the gameplay itself, we know that Kate wasn't wearing a grey hoodie when level 4's flashback tape occurred, and we know that the proxy was wearing a hoodie AND a mask in level three. Unless CR provided her with a hoodie and a mask (which, as we all apparently love to say, we can't say without proof), there is no way Kate could have been the proxy.

In my eyes, the ONLY proof that exists that shows that Kate is the proxy is the proxy's long hair. How "weird" she was acting, her possible "disturbed" nature after seeing her friend get set on fire, her drawings, none of that is concrete evidence. Unless there was a letter from or to Kate discussing a mask, a hoodie, and thoughts of feeding people to Slenderman, then Kate is the least likely candidate, in my eyes.

Using the proof I presented before (about Kate's miraculous change of clothes, if she was the proxy), Charles would be the likely candidate for the proxy. On a semi-related note, why would a missing child poster with Charles' name be about CR? It's a missing child, and CR obviously isn't a missing person, he lives far away and sends Kate emails and letters. These comparisons that people are making to compare CR to Charles don't really make sense. They seem forced, to create unnecessary confusion. Just because both of their names start with a "C", doesn't mean that they're the same person. Otherwise, ALL of the letters would be signed "CR" or "Charles Matheson". OR, Their initials would actually match! CR can't be the proxy because, how would he have gone from chasing Lauren around in the mine tunnels to the tower (before Lauren did, mind you) and set himself on fire in front of Kate before Lauren arrived? Again, it makes no sense.

This here is speculation, but given the proof and points I've made regarding Kate and CR not being the proxy, I'll put it out there:

Charles is likely the proxy because he was a missing child. Slenderman could have easily abducted him when he was young, and that could be why Charles is so fucked up as the proxy, easily able to attack innocent people for the sake of [some slendy-related reason]. I doubt that Kate would be able to do what the proxy did, after what could possibly have been no more than a day after CR killed himself. If Charles was not the proxy, mind you, then he would serve absolutely NO purpose in the story whatsoever; a red herring. Is that really likely, in a videogame about this kind of thing? Personally, I don't think so. (Though... the writers are the MH guys... but usually the red herrings are not intentional, as this would have to be.)

Straightforwardly?
- Kate is a girl that witnessed her friend's death and was probably taken by either Slenderman or the Proxy shortly afterward.
- CR is Kate's close friend, that endangered Kate's life and planned on killing them both to save anyone else from the Slenderman.
- Charles is a young boy that was abducted and completely shunned society after seeing how bleak the world was, completely under the wing of Slenderman.
- Lauren is either Kate's sister (more likely) or daughter, who went to visit her after hearing about the troubles that CR described in his letters to Kate.

That's all the proof I can come up with.
And unlike the theory that the proxy is Kate, some of my proof is somewhat sustainable.
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 		I felt like writing out my working hypothesis for what happened

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I think the proxy might well be Jr. who hasn't cut his hair in years, as I'm assuming the fire you run into is the same that was started during the recording. With its aversion to light it seems unlikely to me the proxy'd run through a field of fire in daylight, and I think the other characters are involved in explaining the rest of the event (so it can't have been one of them).

I didn't understand much from the last audio log (is there a transcript?), but I think that's where CR burned himself as he decided killing everyone involved is the only way to a) stop people from bringing other people into contact with slends and b) avoid avoid more suffering/becoming more of a proxy.
Even though CR asked Kate not to tell Lauren about him (presumably to let it end with a sudden dissapearance of Kate), she realised Lauren'd get on their trail with all the evidence lying about. That's why she finished the trail and story for Lauren (scribbled on the walls along the way, left two burned notes to her, perhaps moved CR's body). She finally waited in the locked door inside the tower and made sure Lauren saw it through to the end before ending her.

The hardcore ending kind of looks like someone dropping the camera from the top of the tower, which could be Kate trying to destroy it. Not sure why there's still the footstep noises you have from while you're inside though.


There's obviously a lot of problems with this
-How to put out fires by making loud noises
-No explanation of the distorted images shown on the camera; these could've been added after the fact though, as this need not be live.
-Why is there a random TV available for the tape of chapter 4 (unless this path was more prepared, which would tie in with the early hints telling you to go for the tower)

I also feel something significant could have happened in the night Slendy knocked you out; the flashes at the end could be callbacks to this event, or some other message from Kate if added in post. I'm not sure at all though about what transpired that night.

Finally Charles M. and Charles Mathewson Jr. need not be the same person, and one of them might be CR.


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 		Just saying, fires don't burn forever. We know it must have been relatively recent.

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A lot of people are saying that the Charles Matheson Missing Poster being right before the mines is PROOF that the proxy is Charles. I disagree highly based on some stuff.

1. The story and everything else was written by Marble Hornets who are NOTORIOUS for red herrings. In my opinion, the poster is an such an obvious red herring, that people think it's important.

2. The mines is NOT the only place you can find the poster. You have a chance to find it in any of the areas (except the Flashback). This means that just because it can be found right before you encounter the proxy doesn't mean a thing.

3. I think that CR was burned a while ago (to me the body doesn't look fresh but this could be just a design error). By a while, I mean either towards the beginning of the game, or just before we get there. Now the fire in the woods and in the building are recent. If they were set long before Lauren gets there, then the trees would be burnt more than they were, and the building would be full of smoke (though these could be design errors as well).


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So for all of you people who've gotten past the 3rd stage, what's the best thing to do when confronted by Corpsey? Particularly when Slenderman is riding your ass. I thought that focusing the beam on her long enough would get her to run away, but no dice. And it seems to me that, even if I could run in a different direction, she would still follow me, & she seems a lot faster.

Also, is that missing child poster everyone keeps talking about on this level, or another?


I guess one of my questions is, "How much of this stuff actually has a reason?" For instance, is there an actual writing reason that Slenderman doesn't kill Lauren, or is it entirely for the sake of gameplay?

KTsteve wrote:
Just saying, fires don't burn forever. We know it must have been relatively recent.


Unless it's one of those crazy mine fires that burns for thousands of years.

You know, I've heard a lot of talk about these sequels, but some angry commentators on the Slenderman Wiki (which, incidentally, seems incredibly inaccurate across the board) are pretty insistent that they're a myth.

Where does this "5 more games" claim come from? I'm not sure how I feel about it.

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 		My only criticism for this is that it was WAAAAAY too short.
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Lithp wrote:
You know, I've heard a lot of talk about these sequels, but some angry commentators on the Slenderman Wiki (which, incidentally, seems incredibly inaccurate across the board) are pretty insistent that they're a myth.

Where does this "5 more games" claim come from? I'm not sure how I feel about it.


Turns out it is a lie. A sequel hasn't been planned, but not ruled out either. Sorry, I should've checked my sources.

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