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TheOperator
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 		When Masky attacked Jay in Entry #62, it was just to bring him to the shack. He wasn't exactly harming him. The only time it seemed like he was actively trying to hurt him was in Entry #18, right after Jay called him "Alex". Considering how much Masky hates Alex, that makes sense.

If Alex is trying to fight the control of TO, there's nothing weird about his actions. Although either way, he wasn't necessarily trying to protect Jay and Tim from TO. He just didn't want them in the tunnel, perhaps because he doesn't want them seeing what's on the other side.

Tim made it through the tunnel while in his masky state, he may be harder for TO to track like that. Plus even with his limp, he was moving a helluva lot faster than Jay and Tim were in Entry #64. It's unclear whether Jay made it through and since his camera died, he may not have made it through unpunished.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 4:35 pm
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Animal
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 		I really think a more simple explanation for the tunnel is that the Operator has never been in that tunnel without Alex being in there. If you think about it, the operator was there after he killed Bruce, and when he called Jay and Tim in 64.

So I think that the absence of Alex is what made Tim and Jay able to cross in 50. Why does the tunnel seem to be important? Alex could NOW be hiding something there that he wasn't back in season 2. Or it could be near where he has been staying/living.

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CraicIsMighty
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pravado wrote:
I think one of the biggest problems is inconsistency with characters actions towards each other. For example, Tim saved Jay and Jessica in entry 52, but we have seen countless times where tim attacks jay, most noticably in entry 62

We've seen Alex try to kill Jay (entry 52, and i also believe he was trying to sacrifice jay in entry 40) but we've also seen him try to help jay (the whole "leave now" thing when Jay was about to cross the tunnel)

And there's a big fuss about not being able to make it through the tunnel, but both tim and jay make it over there in entry 50

So many inconsistencies which is what makes it so hard to come up with a solid theory on any of the characters, including hoody


I agree with you somewhat, but I think all of these inconsistencies could possibly have perfectly reasonable explanations.

Like with Masky for example. He has attacked Jay, but from what we've seen he's never actually tried to kill him. He's mostly just charged at Jay and dragged him on the ground, there's not much indication that he actually wants Jay dead. He could've killed Jay easily in entry 19 if that were the case. Or it could be that masky's main motive in entry 52 was to save Jessica, and saving Jay was just a side effect. Or maybe masky didn't really care about saving either of them, and was just taking advantage of Alex's distraction to try and kill him.

Any inconsistency in Alex's behavior could be explained if he's under the Operator's control. It could be that TO's control over him is stronger at some points than at others, causing Alex to sometimes try to help Jay when TO's control is weaker. Although it's not exactly clear whether or not Alex was trying to help Jay in entry 64. He could have just been threatening him.

As for the tunnel... when Jay and Tim went there in entry 64, Tim had Alex's chest cam. That could've made a big difference. Also, in entry 50 Alex probably wasn't keeping an eye on Jay or Tim like it's been implied he was in entry 64. And Tim was in masky mode in entry 50. That also could have made a difference.

But yeah, it is pretty impossible to make a solid theory on Hoodie considering IG we've gotten pretty much zero solid evidence indicating who it could be.

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MDS1138
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sirago17 wrote:
I see Jeff Pezzati from Naked Raygun/Big Black myself:
(second from left)


Haha nice.

Hmm, Big Black, who had a song titled.........



YouTube: Link

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pestoner
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 		omg masky doenst have fucking eyes in #62..

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Ztakk
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 		On the topic of the tunnel being an entrance to something, as I've said multiple times before, I can see it being an entrance but only with TO wants it to be, otherwise every little animal, or random person walking around would end up in his domain and I refuse to believe that TO doesn't have the power to decide this.

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Geneaux486
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 		The inconcistencies you've cited here are pretty debateable, Pravado. Can you come up with some other examples?

pravado wrote:
I think one of the biggest problems is inconsistency with characters actions towards each other. For example, Tim saved Jay and Jessica in entry 52, but we have seen countless times where tim attacks jay, most noticably in entry 62


Tim's off his nut in his masked state, he's always alternated between attacking Jay and leading him somewhere, and he may have just been attacking Alex in 52 with no regard for Jay's safety. His varying actions make sense given the context.

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We've seen Alex try to kill Jay (entry 52, and i also believe he was trying to sacrifice jay in entry 40) but we've also seen him try to help jay (the whole "leave now" thing when Jay was about to cross the tunnel)


We don't know that he was trying to help Jay. It's possible that Jay was right and there was something there that Alex didn't want Jay to see.

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And there's a big fuss about not being able to make it through the tunnel, but both tim and jay make it over there in entry 50


Tim did make it to the other side, but we have no footage of Jay making it to the other side of the tunnel, so we don't actually know that he did. Footage in entry 50 cuts off when he's halfway through the tunnel, cuts to him sitting back outside. Jay mentions doing it in entry sixty-something, which is odd because he only knows what's on the tapes from that time period, and the tapes show him doing no such thing, so that part is an inconsistency.

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 		Inconsistencies in behavior? Have you ever read anything on psychology or human behavior? Ever? Human beings are defined by their inconsistencies and implicitly free will. Any contrary action can be explained by the person or character's rationalizations at the time. I've had plenty of times where I've wanted to tackle close friends and punch them in the mouth, yet other times where they are the closest people to me in life....And that's without having a multiple personality disorder.
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Sirnot1
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 		"Nothing is on my mind" might refer to Alex being killed, thus not an issue for him anymore (idk if people already posted this).

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Debaser
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George G wrote:
This is probably unintentional but this symbol here:



is a glider emblem:


(Read about it here and here). Well, we always knew ToTheArk was a hacker, so this should not come as a surprise.


I absolutely agree with this being a Glider emblem and I believe it is entirely intentional since computer coding (HEX, ASCII, simple Binary, etc) have all be used in the past in TOTHEARK videos.

Next up at 0:12, the face people seem to not recognize, I believe it's Jessica. As the other stretched image shows to be similar to Seth, that looks a bit like her to my mind, I just can't place which video it might be from.

Finally the number code...not so simple...maybe coordinates?

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Supersox
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Finally the number code...not so simple...maybe coordinates?


If you mean the numbers by the Operator Symbol, see page 1 of this thread. It translates to HE WILL PAY.

Speculation is that this suggests that TO will get $20 from Alex Laughing

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fraanlaramore
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Debaser wrote:
George G wrote:
This is probably unintentional but this symbol here:



is a glider emblem:


(Read about it here and here). Well, we always knew ToTheArk was a hacker, so this should not come as a surprise.


I absolutely agree with this being a Glider emblem and I believe it is entirely intentional since computer coding (HEX, ASCII, simple Binary, etc) have all be used in the past in TOTHEARK videos.

Next up at 0:12, the face people seem to not recognize, I believe it's Jessica. As the other stretched image shows to be similar to Seth, that looks a bit like her to my mind, I just can't place which video it might be from.

Finally the number code...not so simple...maybe coordinates?


in fact, the code deciphers like : HE WILL PAY
Smile

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Debaser
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fraanlaramore wrote:
Debaser wrote:
George G wrote:
This is probably unintentional but this symbol here:



is a glider emblem:


(Read about it here and here). Well, we always knew ToTheArk was a hacker, so this should not come as a surprise.


I absolutely agree with this being a Glider emblem and I believe it is entirely intentional since computer coding (HEX, ASCII, simple Binary, etc) have all be used in the past in TOTHEARK videos.

Next up at 0:12, the face people seem to not recognize, I believe it's Jessica. As the other stretched image shows to be similar to Seth, that looks a bit like her to my mind, I just can't place which video it might be from.

Finally the number code...not so simple...maybe coordinates?


in fact, the code deciphers like : HE WILL PAY
Smile


How do you get He Will Pay? I'm stumped as to how this works out? =P

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Hazman
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Debaser wrote:
fraanlaramore wrote:


in fact, the code deciphers like : HE WILL PAY
Smile


How do you get He Will Pay? I'm stumped as to how this works out? =P


It was worked out in the last video. Look for the thread on Surveillance.

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 		That is absolutely a glider. I meant to post about it before but I forgot to.

I'm not sure what the implications would be, though. Gliders are patterns in the Game of Life that keep their same form while migrating (often they switch between only two patterns with each iteration).

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