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Yuki
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toolsquatch wrote:
Just to play devil's advocate here, why does the camera not capturing anything prove that Jay's hallucinating? We have audio distortion occurring and this is taking place in a world where doors lead elsewhere, people can teleport, and giant faceless beings terrorize you: is it really that farfetched to consider something being unfilmable?

I've been watching some shows about ghost hunting lately and I've started realizing how much of a ghost story Marble Hornets actually is: a lot of times in these investigations people will see or hear phenomena that aren't captured on their audio or video equipment, and this very-well could be happening here.


Not to mention he's never hallucinated before and it's perfectly plausible it's something that was simply offscreen.

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McGregor
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Its also entirely possible that Jay is just paranoid, as he should be, and mistook the brownness of the woods as Hoody.

It doesn't necessarily mean he's hallucinating.

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Bernie Buddy wrote:
I made a quick .gif comparing the two frames from when Jay looked out and saw nobody to when he saw someone.
This is about the same direction where he pointed.

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Is my .gif broken, or is it just me?

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btw, I don't see anyone there either.


In between the two small trees, theres something there in the Before image, and then it's gone in the After image.

EDIT: Nevermind. It was just a shift in the camera angle.
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i can see that unfiction is already working its typical over-analysis magic, but its pretty obvious that
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they just didnt have an extra actor to be the "person" Jay sees when filming that day. He's not paranoid (well he is, but he did see someone) he's not hallucinating, and no one was there and then teleported away. suz.


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Bernie Buddy
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Lithp wrote:
Bernie Buddy wrote:
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Works for me, I just don't see anything change.


That's what I meant. It's getting stuck on the "after" frame for some reason.


No, I mean there's nothing in the "After" frame that isn't in the "Before."


Oh, okay.
That's what I originally meant with the .gif, to show that there's no one there in approximately the same spot Jay pointed.

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Geneaux486
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Magyk wrote:
i can see that unfiction is already working its typical over-analysis magic, but its pretty obvious that
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they just didnt have an extra actor to be the "person" Jay sees when filming that day. He's not paranoid (well he is, but he did see someone) he's not hallucinating, and no one was there and then teleported away. suz.


Can't tell if you're serious, but I'd say the fact that nobody was visible when Jay looked around coupled with the distortion that occurred when Jay saw whatever it was he saw makes it a perfectly viable possibility that there was no physical body present.

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Weird thought time: Upon a second or third watching of this I saw things in a different light. What if Jay is actually trying to mislead Tim for some reason? He claims to see something and they says it was just a bird, then when Tim is up the tower he again claims to see something outside (this time a person) and again doesn't manage to capture it on tape. Then when Tim is walking ahead he happens to "accidentally" fall into the tape hole and he doesn't get up until Tim starts to rummage through the hole. What if Jay planted some tapes there himself? He has plenty of boring tapes that he could burn if he wanted to.

I don't know why Jay would want to mislead Tim, or when he would have had the time to set this up. It would only require burning some tapes and tape cases, placing a few good tapes in some burned cases, placing them in the hole, and then removing a rung from the ladder. That's not too much work to do, but it does require Jay to do that without being caught, and to do it before they arrive for the "first" time, which could be tricky.

I think it's fairly obvious at this point that either Tim has learned all the stuff about the Season 1 entries, or, more likely, Jay has gone out of his way to tell Tim all the relevant stuff, so that he can play on this knowledge to his advantage. At this stage I have no idea why Jay would want to plant tapes and mislead Tim, but his behaviour did seem odd in this entry. It would be interesting to see Jay get all Alex-like and paint a particular version of events for Tim to find. I might resurrect an old theory of mine that the operator only follows one person at a time, and the only way to get rid of it is to find someone else for it to follow. That could be what Tim (accidentally) did to Alex, what Alex (intentionally) did to Jay and now what Jay is (intentionally) doing to Tim again.

Then again I could be tothebark-ing up the wrong tree.

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Just want to mention a potential continuity error. Jay tells Tim to be careful when climbing the tower because last time he (Jay) slipped off. This seems to be referring to Entry #21, where Jay indeed slipped off (causing him to drop the camera).

However, this wasn't the last time Jay was at the tower. In season 2, Jay once woke up near the tower. He checked it before leaving. So either Jay doesn't actually remember the last time he was there, or he slipped AGAIN that time, or it's a continuity error. No big deal, but nitpicking is kind of a thing that I like to do, and I just thought I'd mention this.

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gazza wrote:
Just want to mention a potential continuity error. Jay tells Tim to be careful when climbing the tower because last time he (Jay) slipped off. This seems to be referring to Entry #21, where Jay indeed slipped off (causing him to drop the camera).

However, this wasn't the last time Jay was at the tower. In season 2, Jay once woke up near the tower. He checked it before leaving. So either Jay doesn't actually remember the last time he was there, or he slipped AGAIN that time, or it's a continuity error. No big deal, but nitpicking is kind of a thing that I like to do, and I just thought I'd mention this.
Or he opted not to climb up it when he woke up there and Entry #21 was the last time he went up.

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ReverendJ wrote:
gazza wrote:
Just want to mention a potential continuity error. Jay tells Tim to be careful when climbing the tower because last time he (Jay) slipped off. This seems to be referring to Entry #21, where Jay indeed slipped off (causing him to drop the camera).

However, this wasn't the last time Jay was at the tower. In season 2, Jay once woke up near the tower. He checked it before leaving. So either Jay doesn't actually remember the last time he was there, or he slipped AGAIN that time, or it's a continuity error. No big deal, but nitpicking is kind of a thing that I like to do, and I just thought I'd mention this.
Or he opted not to climb up it when he woke up there and Entry #21 was the last time he went up.


Well technically, his words were "last time I was out here, I slipped off." Also, when he said he checked it in his twitter, you could presume that meant he at least checked the spot where he actually found something the last time he was there.

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What I find interesting is that he doesn't act like it was Hoody that he saw.

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Then again I could be tothebark-ing up the wrong tree.


Yeah, not to be rude, but I don't see the point of "random thoughts."

Jay would have had to have planned this all the way back at Season 1. You know, before he lost his memory, & definitely before he knew that he was going to be teaming up with Tim. And, as you pointed out, there is no actual point to doing this.

This should really be one of those things where your fact-filter kicks in a second later, & you dismiss it.

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Geneaux486
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Lithp wrote:
What I find interesting is that he doesn't act like it was Hoody that he saw.


Yeah, I'd imagine that since he was able to tell that whoever it was he saw was staring at him, they were probably unmasked and unknown to him. I think it'd be kinda cool if the tapes he found wound up having nothing to do with Marble Hornets, but instead were videos taken by some other group that went through the same horrors before Alex did, and then at some point Jay realizes that one of the people he sees in the tapes was the person he saw staring at him at the tower, bonus points for creepiness coming if it's someone he sees die on camera.

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Geneaux486 wrote:
Lithp wrote:
What I find interesting is that he doesn't act like it was Hoody that he saw.


Yeah, I'd imagine that since he was able to tell that whoever it was he saw was staring at him, they were probably unmasked and unknown to him. I think it'd be kinda cool if the tapes he found wound up having nothing to do with Marble Hornets, but instead were videos taken by some other group that went through the same horrors before Alex did, and then at some point Jay realizes that one of the people he sees in the tapes was the person he saw staring at him at the tower, bonus points for creepiness coming if it's someone he sees die on camera.


That'd be a nice change, like showing that someone else is going through TO problems or something, but the only issue with that is is very late to be introducing new characters, even if they are little minor ones.

That and it kind of makes it a moot point to be going back to College Town and then show new people and all that. I think now is the time to start answering some stuff here and there.

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I will squee with joy for a Hoody origins/identity tape, a continuation of Entry 12, or a Alex working with Operator tape.

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Xman
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Pretty good entry. I really like the hole in the ground having tapes in it. That explains the static noises and all that jazz. And I'm glad we have more tapes now, even if it is just two.

I'm not sure why some people think finding old tapes is a dumb and repetitive thing to have in the series. It's what the series started on and what it's all about. You're not supposed to see it as a wrong thing to go to for a plot device, it's meant to show that there could be more answers and it gives a glimpse of the past. It's basically part of their mission to find tapes. I don't understand how that's bad.

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