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aidansean
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Bernie Buddy wrote:
aidansean wrote:
Alex would have hidden them better,


How is burying something inside a hole inside a forest not a good way to hide things?


Because moving 10ft further away from the trail and then burying them inside a hole would have made sure nobody would have put their foot into the hole, for no extra effort. The hole is literally in the trail.

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Considering they supposedly stayed there for seven years without being discovered before now, I'd say that's a damn good hiding job.

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paladin181
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aidansean wrote:
Bernie Buddy wrote:
aidansean wrote:
Alex would have hidden them better,


How is burying something inside a hole inside a forest not a good way to hide things?


Because moving 10ft further away from the trail and then burying them inside a hole would have made sure nobody would have put their foot into the hole, for no extra effort. The hole is literally in the trail.
Also, what's to say they were hidden? Alex burned them and left them. Perchance leaves blew into the hole and covered everything up. Not exactly beyond the realm of believability. However, that no little kid went into the hole in 7 years is pretty unbelievable. Kid dig that shit like crazy.

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aidansean
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Lithp wrote:
I thought they should be broken as well, but surely the cases afford them some protection?

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How is burying something inside a hole inside a forest not a good way to hide things?


Exactly, this is perfectly consistent with someone who is paranoid & in a rush trying to destroy evidence. The "it was Jay" idea just makes no sense at all. The last time Jay was at College Town without Tim in tow was way back in Season 1. So unless we're going to do say that Jay pulled them out of his sleeve...& why isn't "it doesn't feel right that Jay would do this" enough to debunk this? There is no motive, & Jay's never been that cunning a deceiver before ("documentary about hotels!").

Shouldn't this theory have a shred of evidence to stand on if we're going to talk about it like it's a serious consideration?


First of all we don't know the last time Jay was in College Town without Tim in tow, unless they're currently spending 24 hours a day with each other. They've each got their own car and Jay can easily disappear for a few hours without arousing suspicion. Secondly there are plenty of parts of the series where we don't know the motive behind what the characters are doing. Why did Alex think it was reasonable to bash some guys head in with a rock? Why did Jessica decide the safest thing to do after Jay lead her to the wrong side of Alex's gun was to go to a hotel she didn't know with Jay?

I'm not saying I'm convinced that Jay put the tapes there (as we won't know what's on the tapes until the next entry) or that what you're saying is wrong. I'm just seeing things from another point of view because I think it's fun and interesting to do so. It's speculation, I've said why I think it could be a reasonable interpretation and now we're not going to know until the next entry comes out. It's not a matter of proving who's right and who's wrong because we don't have enough information to do that at the moment, and it's not as if this series has always been completely predictable.

To get back to the main point though, Alex said he was going to burn the tapes nearly 7 years ago and he then moved away to Rosswood. (It's possible he ended up at the Red Tower since then, but I doubt he took tapes with him, unless he always kept them in his satchel with a lighter. Even if that was the case, why leave Entry #51 tape out?) It's hard for me to believe that in 7 years nobody else put their foot in that hole and came across those tapes, yet Jay comes along and his foot magically finds its way in there. I suppose it's possible Hoody put them there recently, but even so that relies on Jay or Tim either stumbling into the hole, or deciding to look in the hole, which seems like an unreliable way to pass on the tapes.

If you don't want to entertain the idea then don't. I find it more interesting to see the entries from different points of view because adhering to just one interpretation seems dull to me.

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aidansean
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paladin181 wrote:
However, that no little kid went into the hole in 7 years is pretty unbelievable. Kid dig that shit like crazy.


Exactly! Also people taking dogs for walks. Dogs like to dig around in nearby holes. Unless they're scared away like Alex's dog was in Entry #2.

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aidansean wrote:
Lithp wrote:
I thought they should be broken as well, but surely the cases afford them some protection?

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How is burying something inside a hole inside a forest not a good way to hide things?


Exactly, this is perfectly consistent with someone who is paranoid & in a rush trying to destroy evidence. The "it was Jay" idea just makes no sense at all. The last time Jay was at College Town without Tim in tow was way back in Season 1. So unless we're going to do say that Jay pulled them out of his sleeve...& why isn't "it doesn't feel right that Jay would do this" enough to debunk this? There is no motive, & Jay's never been that cunning a deceiver before ("documentary about hotels!").

Shouldn't this theory have a shred of evidence to stand on if we're going to talk about it like it's a serious consideration?


First of all we don't know the last time Jay was in College Town without Tim in tow, unless they're currently spending 24 hours a day with each other. They've each got their own car and Jay can easily disappear for a few hours without arousing suspicion. Secondly there are plenty of parts of the series where we don't know the motive behind what the characters are doing. Why did Alex think it was reasonable to bash some guys head in with a rock? Why did Jessica decide the safest thing to do after Jay lead her to the wrong side of Alex's gun was to go to a hotel she didn't know with Jay?

I'm not saying I'm convinced that Jay put the tapes there (as we won't know what's on the tapes until the next entry) or that what you're saying is wrong. I'm just seeing things from another point of view because I think it's fun and interesting to do so. It's speculation, I've said why I think it could be a reasonable interpretation and now we're not going to know until the next entry comes out. It's not a matter of proving who's right and who's wrong because we don't have enough information to do that at the moment, and it's not as if this series has always been completely predictable.

Only problem with this theory? They were on the road for 2 and a half days to get back to College town. It's halfway across the country IG.

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If you think Jay put the tapes there, you aren't watching the same series that I am. Why would someone hide incriminating tapes and then ever bring someone else near them, let alone be clumsy enough to trip over where you hid them to draw attention? Sometimes it's fun to play devil's advocate, but in this instance it makes no sense to. I agree that it's a little unreal, as rain would easily destroy the tapes over the years. It was simply a nice callback and explanation, can't blame them for doing that.

IMO their biggest problem is constantly writing things that should be happening instantaneously, only to have to explain filming schedules with an unrealistic time gap. I honestly wouldn't mind waiting another 2-3 weeks for an entry to come out or if the next one came out a day or two after as long as they, like someone said before, broke the repetitive formula

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Ztakk
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I now don't think that's where Alex would have hidden the tapes (or if those are ones he burnt at all). To be I think if Alex wanted them to be hidden and never found, he would have been smart enough to COVER THE TAPES IN DIRT. You know, dig the hole, burn the tapes, and bury them in the hole. All we see is the tapes under a bunch of leaves which is just asking for someone to randomly find them (ESPECIALLY if Alex would have burned them during S1).

Not sure why exactly the tapes were there, but I again, doesn't seem to be where Alex would have hidden the remains of any tapes he burnt.

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Bernie Buddy
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He probably obviously didn't think it would matter if someone found them because he assumed the tapes would be completely destroyed.

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gazza
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He also probably wasn't in the best frame of mind when he destroyed them. He likely just wanted to burn them and then forget about them forever.

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CraicIsMighty
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The tapes that Jay considered playable both had plastic covers to protect them from rain and were covered by leaves to protect them from sunlight. Also, the trees probably would have given a little protection from rain as well. I would't say it's completely outside the realm of possibility that they could still work. Not terribly likely that IRL tapes would still work after being left outside for 7 years, but it's not totally impossible.

Also, Jay didn't actually find the tapes, it was Tim. If Jay had been alone he probably would have just got back up and kept going. Tim is the one who started digging in the hole. So the fact that no one had found them before isn't really all that surprising. Especially if it's a big park and most of the trails have low traffic. And even if someone did stumble across the tapes before Tim and Jay, what are the chances that they would have taken them? If I randomly found some burnt tapes in a hole while I was out hiking, I'd probably just leave them there. I wouldn't want to carry a bunch of tapes around for miles unless I knew there was a garbage can nearby.

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He burned the tapes before he gave anything to Jay...not unreasonable at all imo to hide them there if they were burned. Even if people did find them, what use would they have with them? They would probably just put it back.

This speculation is absurd.

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Barry_Winchester
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A theory on the tapes in the hole:

Alex was being followed/chased by someone (TO, TTA, Hoody), he burns the tapes in a pile because he is in a hurry, after the tapes have burnt to a good consistency, he dumps them in the hole then moves on.

If he is being followed, its possible he sees who is following him, thus they would see him as well. This leads to the "SEES ME AT THE TOWER" page

feel free to critisize, ponder and dismiss this theory Razz

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Having watched it again a couple of times, I'm starting to wonder if Jay's snarky behaviour with Tim despite Tim warming to Jay could be early Slender/Alexification? That could tie in with seeing someone at the tower, the "sees me at the tower" scribbles of Mr Kralie, couldn't it?

Will Tim start posting entries after finding Jay's own Slender Scribbles™ and other signs of Operator Overdrive™?

(this is, I admit, a half-baked theory...but it's one I quite like, so I thought I'd put it out there for ridicule/scorn Wink )

What do you think?

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Why is everyone running to ridiculous theories based completely on speculation? Why is it so inconceivable that they weren't put there by Hoody/TTA. We have one person already that we KNOW for a FACT hides evidence/tapes in obscure, yet in Jay's path, places then happens to lead him to it, or just hopes that he finds it. He also has access to things people thought were lost, or destroyed (Tim's medical records, other tapes.) Why the hell anyone would assume Jay over Hoody is beyond me. Hoody had the means, the time, probably the motive, and is more than capable of following someone or leading them to evidence. Occam's Razor people. Bottom line, until we know what's on those tapes there is absolutely no reason to assume it was Jay.
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