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Lithp
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 		I have a good reason why Alex lied about going to the park.

What would Amy think if he told her that he was driving to a park in the middle of the night for any reason?

The double-Operator, I have no idea. I thought I might have seen The Operator on the road, but even if I did, the distortion does not look like a 2nd shot overlapped on top of the original.

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Grumplestiltskin
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Lithp wrote:
What would Amy think if he told her that he was driving to a park in the middle of the night for any reason?


*sputter* Yes, what reason could there be for a man to go to a park at night? Laughing



Trying to keep up with the posts in this thread is sheerly Sisyphean; I'll never catch up.

An observation and a question:

1) I believe I've seen the idea bandied about that TO, as a supernatural being, can alter his height at will. That might serve as a convenient IG reason for what we know to be several possible OOG reasons for any differences:
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different people taking on the duty of wearing the slendersuit (personally, I've always thought it was Joseph as TO in #4, with Troy filming), the difficulties of having TO move rapidly when the actor is wearing stilts (again, #4), budget or lack thereof for props, and the difficulty of digital editing after the fact, if that is how they are creating TO on film now.


2) I'm confused over the question of how long Alex and Amy had been seeing each other -- they're dating while he's filming in the summer of 2006, and he leaves College Town that fall to be with her, yes? And our evidence for the length of the relationship past that point is... a tape that Alex sent to J to lure him. A tape that, if I'm not misremembering, is the only one of Alex's to have a date and timestamp on it. I can understand not having that feature turned on when one is filming one's magnum opus, but if that was the setting on his camera -- the camera he hid from Amy and lied to her about -- then why would it suddenly change, unless he needed to establish a fixed date for some reason?

What's to say that he couldn't have added the date in after the fact, trying to lure a well-meaning but somewhat derpy person to a location by implying that the tape is recent, and creating a sense of urgency? He's a film student; adding that tidbit of info to an already-existing tape, maybe even one, say... four years old, wouldn't be that hard for him, would it?

Nevermind.

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Exetera wrote:
pravado wrote:
Entry 54. He asks if Alex has the tapes in his car and then goes to meet up with him to get the tapes. Only the editor would need the footage after it's already filmed.
Seth was the cameraman. It makes sense for him to have the camera and the tapes, even if he wasn't going to edit them himself.


The MH crew only had like 6 people in it, so they had to cover multiple roles. Tim acted, did music, and also shot footage for "the making of". Jay was the script supervisor, but also helped Alex with location-scouting and behind-the-scenes. It only makes sense that Seth would be both the cameraman and the editor.

And if you wanna go down the "Seth is TTA" route, this would explain how TTA supposedly knows so much, because Seth copied all the raw MH footage to his computer before any of it was destroyed.

Grumplestiltskin wrote:
adding that tidbit of info to an already-existing tape, maybe even one, say... four years old, wouldn't be that hard for him, would it?


Yeah, but if in the Marble Hornets universe, edits as complex as adding time stamps can be done, what's to say that the Oppy distortion hasn't been edited in by someone?

nvm, my argument was stupid. TTA does crazy awesome edits all the time.

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 		You know guys, you really shouldn't be so confrontational with pravado.

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You know that Troy, Joseph and Tim wait- for hours sometimes- to see what he has to say about the entry, take notes specifically from his criticisms, and then plan their next entries around it. They HANG on his words, guys.


-Tycho

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RiftTraveler wrote:
You know guys, you really shouldn't be so confrontational with pravado.

OOG:
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You know that Troy, Joseph and Tim wait- for hours sometimes- to see what he has to say about the entry, take notes specifically from his criticisms, and then plan their next entries around it. They HANG on his words, guys.


-Tycho


Jesus Christ.


OT: This entry was cool. The Operator looked good. It's cool that Amy could have had a larger role in all of this. I've always felt that there was...something...about her that was more important than has been let on.

I had an old theory that she could be Hoody, but I've abandoned it since 68 (you...YES, you. The one who felt the tingling in the brain when you read "Hoody." Multiple you's. You know who you are. Don't be so quick to jump at my throat because of an opinion. I appreciate it in advance.).

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Grumplestiltskin wrote:
Lithp wrote:
What would Amy think if he told her that he was driving to a park in the middle of the night for any reason?


*sputter* Yes, what reason could there be for a man to go to a park at night? Laughing



Trying to keep up with the posts in this thread is sheerly Sisyphean; I'll never catch up.

An observation and a question:

1) I believe I've seen the idea bandied about that TO, as a supernatural being, can alter his height at will. That might serve as a convenient IG reason for what we know to be several possible OOG reasons for any differences:
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
different people taking on the duty of wearing the slendersuit (personally, I've always thought it was Joseph as TO in #4, with Troy filming), the difficulties of having TO move rapidly when the actor is wearing stilts (again, #4), budget or lack thereof for props, and the difficulty of digital editing after the fact, if that is how they are creating TO on film now.


2) I'm confused over the question of how long Alex and Amy had been seeing each other -- they're dating while he's filming in the summer of 2006, and he leaves College Town that fall to be with her, yes? And our evidence for the length of the relationship past that point is... a tape that Alex sent to J to lure him. A tape that, if I'm not misremembering, is the only one of Alex's to have a date and timestamp on it. I can understand not having that feature turned on when one is filming one's magnum opus, but if that was the setting on his camera -- the camera he hid from Amy and lied to her about -- then why would it suddenly change, unless he needed to establish a fixed date for some reason?

What's to say that he couldn't have added the date in after the fact, trying to lure a well-meaning but somewhat derpy person to a location by implying that the tape is recent, and creating a sense of urgency? He's a film student; adding that tidbit of info to an already-existing tape, maybe even one, say... four years old, wouldn't be that hard for him, would it?


The only problem I see with this theory is that the whole reason that Jessica got involved was that Amy only recently went missing. So unless they faked her disappearance all along and Amy was completely fine after that first Operator sighting supposedly four years ago... Well it just seems strange that they would fake her disappearance simply for the sake of luring Jay into a trap that took months to spring and ended up involving a person that never even knew about TO in the first place (that person being Jessica).

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 		Long time fan of this series, just found out about these forums from my roommate. This site is like a gift from god. I have watched most of the entries a handful of times each and looked up all the totheark meanings. I look forward to posting here. I feel a little weird having been the only person to attempt to claim this username, but I can't help but be happy that it wasn't taken. Very Happy


Kind of enjoyed this entry. If you consider that this takes place in 2006, and Alex's tape to Jay in Entry 26 was marked 2010, they had been dating for a long time. Let's assume that Amy actually did go missing, and Alex actually wanted Jay's help in finding her. What if the operator took Amy, and made her disappear, like he has to Alex many times before, but never brought her back? Did Alex walk into him in Entry 43 in an attempt to be taken to where Amy was taken?

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catgirl789 wrote:
The only problem I see with this theory is that the whole reason that Jessica got involved was that Amy only recently went missing. So unless they faked her disappearance all along and Amy was completely fine after that first Operator sighting supposedly four years ago... Well it just seems strange that they would fake her disappearance simply for the sake of luring Jay into a trap that took months to spring and ended up involving a person that never even knew about TO in the first place (that person being Jessica).


Hm. Good point. I had forgotten about that. I'll modify that post so I don't have to hear this same sensible argument from a whole bunch of people.

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Marble Hornets wrote:
Long time fan of this series, just found out about these forums from my roommate. This site is like a gift from god. I have watched most of the entries a handful of times each and looked up all the totheark meanings. I look forward to posting here. I feel a little weird having been the only person to attempt to claim this username, but I can't help but be happy that it wasn't taken. Very Happy


Kind of enjoyed this entry. If you consider that this takes place in 2006, and Alex's tape to Jay in Entry 26 was marked 2010, they had been dating for a long time. Let's assume that Amy actually did go missing, and Alex actually wanted Jay's help in finding her. What if the operator took Amy, and made her disappear, like he has to Alex many times before, but never brought her back? Did Alex walk into him in Entry 43 in an attempt to be taken to where Amy was taken?


Oh I like that idea. Kind of a "I try to get out, but they keep pulling me back in" kind of thing. Alex did TO's bidding then managed to escape to Amy's place, but when she's kidnapped years later he returns to ol' Oppie to win her back. This kind of furthers the parallels between Alex and Jay, seeing as how seemingly the only reason, beyond sheer curiosity, keeping him from quitting this whole crazy Operator business is finding Jessica.

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Aram
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 		Just a friendly reminder for anyone positing theories about multiple Operators, time travel, reverse tachyon emissions, etc.

Pareidolia (pron.: /pærɨˈdoʊliə/ parr-i-doh-lee-ə) is a psychological phenomenon involving a vague and random stimulus (often an image or sound) being perceived as significant. Common examples include seeing images of animals or faces in clouds, the man in the moon or the Moon rabbit, and hearing hidden messages on records when played in reverse. Pareidolia is a type of apophenia, seeing patterns in random data.

and

Occam's razor is a principle of parsimony, economy, or succinctness used in logic and problem-solving. It states that among competing hypotheses, the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions should be selected.

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 		Now I'm wondering: back in season 2 Alex said he needed Jay's help find Amy. Now, as season 2 progressed, it seemed less and less likely that he actually cared, and was just using her disappearance as an excuse to keep Jay around til he figured out what to do with him. Now this entry has come and I'm once again wondering, does Alex really care about Amy?

And on that note, I'm back with "Alex is just as much a victim of The Operator as anyone else" camp.

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Aram wrote:
Just a friendly reminder for anyone positing theories about multiple Operators, time travel, reverse tachyon emissions, etc.

Pareidolia (pron.: /pærɨˈdoʊliə/ parr-i-doh-lee-ə) is a psychological phenomenon involving a vague and random stimulus (often an image or sound) being perceived as significant. Common examples include seeing images of animals or faces in clouds, the man in the moon or the Moon rabbit, and hearing hidden messages on records when played in reverse. Pareidolia is a type of apophenia, seeing patterns in random data.

and

Occam's razor is a principle of parsimony, economy, or succinctness used in logic and problem-solving. It states that among competing hypotheses, the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions should be selected.


Just have to throw this out there. What if there really are hidden messages when you play songs backwards? Like that's the intent of the 'real' message and how it was recorded?

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Lithp
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Hazman wrote:
Aram wrote:
Just a friendly reminder for anyone positing theories about multiple Operators, time travel, reverse tachyon emissions, etc.

Pareidolia (pron.: /pærɨˈdoʊliə/ parr-i-doh-lee-ə) is a psychological phenomenon involving a vague and random stimulus (often an image or sound) being perceived as significant. Common examples include seeing images of animals or faces in clouds, the man in the moon or the Moon rabbit, and hearing hidden messages on records when played in reverse. Pareidolia is a type of apophenia, seeing patterns in random data.

and

Occam's razor is a principle of parsimony, economy, or succinctness used in logic and problem-solving. It states that among competing hypotheses, the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions should be selected.


Just have to throw this out there. What if there really are hidden messages when you play songs backwards? Like that's the intent of the 'real' message and how it was recorded?


Oh snap, we've got a Night Blogger in here.

In fairness, most people accept that it's not a 2nd Operator. They're trying to figure out what it is specifically.

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 		About Alex having Amy's camera being a plot hole - it's not. In Entry #43, Alex tells Jay that he woke up with the camera after the events of Entry #26.

Also, Alex did send the Entry #26 tape to Jay, unless he's lying. He says he was the one who sent it in Entry #42.

As for the actual entry, it looks to me like the tree Alex runs towards after TO seems to disappear is the same one that was behind TO. I don't think Alex was teleported. He ran into TO, then rather than being stopped, he just kept running in the same direction. Maybe TO made Alex absorb him. It would explain how he has such strong influence over Alex and often appears near him, whereas when Alex isn't around, TO tends to only appear in certain places. This could be the event that triggered TO being able to just appear on the MH set and come into Alex's house.

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 		So, other than the fact that it seems most of the progress in this thread was made in the first eight pages (BEFORE pravado came in and all), I think that this entry gives new light on Entry #26.

It is already pretty much agreed all around that Alex burned this tape because it included Amy in it. If it turns out that the other tapes also contain Amy, I think that it is just more proof that Amy is why Alex burned those tapes. So we can assume that Alex wanted to keep Amy secret.

Based on that, we then come to the question of why Alex sent Jay the tape in Entry #26. I'd say that he didn't, but rather, ToTheArk did. Not only does that fit more with TTA's general style, but it fits with the idea that Alex wanted Amy to be secret/safe. There are numerous reasons for TTA sending the tape, including just getting everyone together in one place to make tracking them easier.

But what about Alex saying that "Jay isn't hard to find"? Well, I think that is kind of bull. Not only is it insanely cryptic, but we already know that Alex is a liar. Think of it like this: If you were Jay, and then Alex told you that he didn't send the tape, would you still work with Alex? Or would you search for the person who sent you the tape? More importantly, would Alex think that Jay would do this?

In addition, consider the fact that it seems Alex isn't actually that good at finding people. He couldn't find Jay before he left with Tim, and he couldn't even find where Tim was staying. If Alex had really wanted Jay dead back in Season 2, why didn't Alex just go to the hotel Jay was staying at? I honestly think that Alex was really lying about how easy it is to find Jay, and either he got a hint about where to go from TTA, or he actually did manage to find Jay when Jay entered the area -- kind of like how Jay found Tim, if you will


That's my two cents, at least.

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