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[LOCKED] [OT] Let's have ANOTHER rage thread!
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Ristar
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Geneaux486 wrote:
Ristar wrote:
What people should do is just say ''Well, you didn't like it, but we do'' and that's it, the rest of the pages of the thread should be used to discuss the entry itself


Well technically the topic should never come up in the actual entry thread at all. Still, outside of that thread, if someone goes into detail about why they think the entry is good or bad, and someone else disagrees with the points they have made, it is certainly not unreasonable to debate those points. It's not about changing the op's mind, it's about presenting additional perspectives that match it in depth so there isn't just one person's opinion floating around. AKA a forum.


Well sometimes it seems there is just one opinion floating around because when someone gets in and says ''I didn't like this entry, it sucked'' people turn into White Knights

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Geneaux486
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Ristar wrote:
Well sometimes it seems there is just one opinion floating around because when someone gets in and says ''I didn't like this entry, it sucked'' people turn into White Knights


Which results in another string of opinions that can be argued by those that feel differently. The overall problem is a lack of civility, not the difference of opinion or the discussion thereof.

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The problem is that I guarantee you people literally sit in that thread and wait for Pravado to post so they can find a reason to rip him apart because they don't like him, or they think it makes them look cool, or whatever. The reason I never get raged at when I post "that entry sucked" is because no one looks for my posts. The only time I've ever gotten seriously raged at on this forum before was when I was defending/siding with Pravado on the issue of delayed entries.

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If it were just the fact that pravado doesn't like the series, I don't think anyone would have a problem with him. There are plenty of people besides him who have criticized each entry, and the debates I've seen are completely civil.

The fact that he doesn't spend so much as two full sentences on the many entries he admits to liking, while treating every entry he doesn't like as some horrific personal betrayal (even if he's liked the last three entries in a row) is obnoxious, as is the fact that his fans pull the "pravado knows more than you because he's a better fan than you are" card even when his rants contain glaring factual inaccuracies, but even that isn't the reason people don't like him.

The reason the Entry 70 thread descended into a flame war wasn't because he posted a negative critique. It was because that negative critique consisted of hurling insults both at the creators and preemptively at anyone who liked it, punctuated by swearing and wild hyperbole.



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Remember that his reason this time was that obviously it meant that Amy would be TTA, though he did (thankfully) backpedal later.


I am actually very concerned that they might pull something like that. I have said, "That is stupid, the writers would never do that" a lot recently, & what do they do, but go ahead & fucking do that. Not about Marble Hornets. Yet.

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There are plenty of people besides him who have criticized each entry, and the debates I've seen are completely civil.


Then you're really viewing this forum through rose-tinted glasses. Hell, I got some elitist snark thrown my way on the Entry 69 thread, & it was hardly the first time. In fact, virtually every flame war I've had here can be traced back to some variation of "I don't think the entries are climactic enough."

Also, why do you think that Pravado always posts the disclaimer "I'm a fan of the series"? It's because one of the first things people leap to is "If you don't like it, don't watch it."

They also say things like "he's a buzzkill" & "does he ever like anything," which frankly makes the claim that none of the rage is a reaction to the negativity of his opinions a total crock of shit.

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The reason the Entry 70 thread descended into a flame war wasn't because he posted a negative critique. It was because that negative critique consisted of hurling insults both at the creators and preemptively at anyone who liked it, punctuated by swearing and wild hyperbole.


Also because people insulted, swore, & hyperbolized back.

Are you guys aware that the people you are arguing with praised the entry before Pravado showed up? That means that we were stuck in the "fanboy boat," same as you. We just didn't take it personally.

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Note: I've never raged at pravado, because I tend to stay out of things like that.

I've only seen his posts, and the responses to those posts.

And when people respond to his posts, they use the same sort of language and attitude that he does.

In other words, they get pissed off at him for being an elitist asshole, saying "this entry fucking sucked, what the fuck are they doing", etc.

Even if he does "know more about the series" (which I seriously doubt by the way, considering everyone has the exact same amount of information to work with...), he doesn't need to be a dick about it.

And of course, he says that anyone who liked an entry he doesn't is white-knighting for the creators. Again, he doesn't need to be an elitist asshole when stating his opinions.

As for the "none of the rage is a reaction to the negativity of his opinions" thing... Well, it's kind of true, I admit. The last time he ever said anything positive about an entry was 65, if I remember correctly.

In any case, if he gave his critique in a non-dickish way, it would be fine. It's his attitude along with the negativity that people really hate. That's why people tend to notice his posts more than others.

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Sylocat wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0la5DBtOVNI

Were it within my power, I'd make watching that video mandatory before ever posting here.

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Lithp
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Ironically, I don't like that video. I feel it is reflective of the implied notion that negativity is by definition non-constructive. Yes, it says, "It's okay to not like things." But there is no "It's okay to like things, but don't be a dick about the things that you like" companion video.

Am I overanalyzing? Maybe. But that's okay.

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Note: I've never raged at pravado, because I tend to stay out of things like that.


You are wise beyond your years. Doesn't matter how old you are, my statement still stands.

I agree with what Genaux said earlier, the truth is somewhere in the middle. Some people do white knight for Trosephim, but not everyone. He's really not THAT knowledgeable, but he thinks critically, if nothing else.

But more importantly, I don't want to read 30 pages bitching about Pravado. That's so much more annoying than 3 or so posts bitching about the Entry.

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Are you guys talking bout Pravado? :V

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Geneaux486
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Zarggg wrote:
Sylocat wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0la5DBtOVNI

Were it within my power, I'd make watching that video mandatory before ever posting here.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=mSDfxde8fSg&feature=fvwp

Add that one while you're at it and apply it to the internet at large.

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back to grammar's house...

Maybe and may be -- there's a difference! Presumably college-educated persons should be aware of it!

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Ztakk
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Magyk wrote:
Exetera wrote:
Lithp wrote:
Now explain to me why Pravado can't rage at the Entries, but you can rage at Pravado.

I'd be totally fine with it if Pravado ever seemed to have a logical reason for disliking an entry. Remember that his reason this time was that obviously it meant that Amy would be TTA, though he did (thankfully) backpedal later. His schtick is bile for bile's sake, and that's extremely irritating.


I don't need a logical reason to go in that thread and praise the entry. I did that, I went in there and posted "I really liked this entry" and not much else and no one raged at me. How is that any different than me showing up and saying, "Well this entry fucking sucked."

tl;dr: You don't need a "logical reason" to have an opinion since an opinion is not based on fact.


More than once I've seen people get dogpiled for only saying "i really like this entry". Apparently that ticks some people off because it "doesn't help anyone solve anything about the series and doesn't add anything to the discussion" despite the fact the forums aren't really for "solving" anything, that's just what discussions turn into.

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paladin181
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Ztakk wrote:
Magyk wrote:
Exetera wrote:
Lithp wrote:
Now explain to me why Pravado can't rage at the Entries, but you can rage at Pravado.

I'd be totally fine with it if Pravado ever seemed to have a logical reason for disliking an entry. Remember that his reason this time was that obviously it meant that Amy would be TTA, though he did (thankfully) backpedal later. His schtick is bile for bile's sake, and that's extremely irritating.


I don't need a logical reason to go in that thread and praise the entry. I did that, I went in there and posted "I really liked this entry" and not much else and no one raged at me. How is that any different than me showing up and saying, "Well this entry fucking sucked."

tl;dr: You don't need a "logical reason" to have an opinion since an opinion is not based on fact.

More than once I've seen people get dogpiled for only saying "i really like this entry". Apparently that ticks some people off because it "doesn't help anyone solve anything about the series and doesn't add anything to the discussion" despite the fact the forums aren't really for "solving" anything, that's just what discussions turn into.
It's the nature of this forum at large, though. It's for playing ARGs, which Marble Hornets decidedly isn't. People have the attitude of "solving things" because that's what you do in ARGs, which is what the forum is dedicated to overall. MH is on here because it was originally thought ot be an ARG, and developed out of that pretty quickly.

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To quote an image I once saw on the internet:

"You're=You are.
Your=It belongs to you.
You=Are fucking illiterate."

I also have way too much of a vested interest in who/whom.

I don't remember what this says, but I remember laughing at it for quite a while:

http://fumaga.com/6189

When you say a letter or word out-of-context as an example, such as "t" or "totally," it is supposed to be surrounded by quotation marks.

Words like "mom" & "dad" are only capitalized if they are being used in place of a name. It is not capitalized in, "My mom went to the store," but is in, "...and then Mom went to the store." Related, I hope to God that you didn't help your uncle jack off a horse, & actually meant that you helped your "uncle, Jack, off of a horse."

That thing I just used? That's called an ellipsis. It only has 3 dots. If it occurs at the end of a sentence, the ending punctuation is tacked onto the end (...., ...!, ...?). Horseshit like "..............." is not valid under any circumstances.

Hell is a proper noun. On the other hand, I don't care how theologically significant you are, we don't fucking capitalize pronouns like "he."

And I swear to all that is anal-retentive, if people start posting grammatical errors just to spite me...well, there's nothing I really can do, but I swear, Man....

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Lithp wrote:
To quote an image I once saw on the internet:

"You're=You are.
Your=It belongs to you.
You=Are fucking illiterate."

I also have way too much of a vested interest in who/whom.

I don't remember what this says, but I remember laughing at it for quite a while:

http://fumaga.com/6189

When you say a letter or word out-of-context as an example, such as "t" or "totally," it is supposed to be surrounded by quotation marks.

Words like "mom" & "dad" are only capitalized if they are being used in place of a name. It is not capitalized in, "My mom went to the store," but is in, "...and then Mom went to the store." Related, I hope to God that you didn't help your uncle jack off a horse, & actually meant that you helped your "uncle, Jack, off of a horse."

That thing I just used? That's called an ellipsis. It only has 3 dots. If it occurs at the end of a sentence, the ending punctuation is tacked onto the end (...., ...!, ...?). Horseshit like "..............." is not valid under any circumstances.

Hell is a proper noun. On the other hand, I don't care how theologically significant you are, we don't fucking capitalize pronouns like "he."

And I swear to all that is anal-retentive, if people start posting grammatical errors just to spite me...well, there's nothing I really can do, but I swear, Man....
Ellipses are used to indicate missing words, not extended pauses, bitch! Razz Just jerkin' your chain. But seriously, that's why I never trust quotations with ellipses. The author could literally say almost anything he wants by removing words that were actually said without technically misquoting the subject.

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