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[VIDEO] Entry #70
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Ztakk
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gazza wrote:
Ztakk wrote:

Random thought. Amy knew about Marble Hornets as it was said and verified in this entry then:

1). Why was she surprised they had a camera? She knew Alex was a film student. My only thought is maybe he told her he gave the tapes to Jay, or told her got rid of his filming equipment.

2). Wouldn't Jay already know about her? So why would Alex get rid of stuff dealing with Amy since Jay would've already known who she was? My thoughts on this is maybe Alex didn't tell everyone that he had a girlfriend, or maybe they weren't actually dating at that point (probably the former).

3) If Alex was trying to hide evidence of Amy's existence from Jay by not giving him certain tapes, removing audio, etc, then there's no way he'd be dumb enough to actually send Jay a tape with her blatantly on camera and in it (UNLESS it was to draw Jay out in the open).[/i]


1). Entry #26 occurred 3 years later. Perhaps Alex had given up on his filming aspirations a while ago by then (likely very soon after moving). Then Amy found the camera, thought it was new, and so wondered when he bought it. He DOES say in the entry "we don't have a camera" so clearly he was no longer in film.

2). It's possible that Jay never knew about her. Although it seems that he was more involved with Marble Hornets than he recalls, it's possible that he still wasn't quite involved enough to know who Alex's girlfriend is. Either that, or he knew about Amy but didn't know she lived in Rosswood, and so Alex burned the tape to cover his tracks. In any case, it's likely that Jay didn't know about Amy until 2009, or had forgotten about her, since he has never mentioned knowing of her.

3). Perhaps he hid evidence of Amy to protect her. And it worked, until April 4 2010. His priorities then changed (he was now trying to find Amy), and so he sent the tape to Jay to see if he could help him.


Could be saying "we don't have a camera" and all that to get her to put it back and just drop the subject, but then again Alex does say he's transferring to a school in Amy's area because it has a better Film program, so who knows what's the truth and what's a lie right now.

And that's what I was saying/thinking on #2 was that Alex just didn't tell anyone. To be honest, if they had just started dating or something, then the MH crew wouldn't have known about it or had a reason to know about it right then (who knows, maybe they just moved really really fast as a couple and....

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TO was like "oh hell no, this won't work out" and killed amy


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CraicIsMighty
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I don't think Alex was trying to hide Amy's existence from the rest of the crew, considering he apparently told Tim about her. It sort of seems implied that the MH crew did know who she was if Alex just randomly told Tim that he was from the same town where his girlfriend was going to school. It seems more likely to me that Alex burned the Amy tapes because he didn't want anyone following him or because he thought it would keep her safe from TO. After TO took Amy in entry 26 Alex didn't really have anything to lose by sending the tape to Jay.

I kind of don't get why people think Amy is TTA just because of this entry, but I do think TTA being Amy could work. We don't really know anything about her, so one couldn't really say it's totally impossible. We've seen from Tim that it's possible for someone to have a long history with TO without even realizing it. Or she could have just faked her reaction to TO in entry 26, it would explain why she seemed so weirdly fixated on the fact that they had a camera. However, I think we'd need a little more evidence indicating that she had TO experiences prior to what happened in 26 before I would be totally sold on the idea. I don't really think they were trying to imply Amy is TTA just because Alex burned her tapes.

Another random thought I had: a lot of people have been pointing out that there's a lot of parallels being drawn between Jay and Alex, but did anyone notice that there's some parallels between jay and Seth? In entry 54 we learned that Seth was going over the footage for Alex. So just like Jay, Alex gave Seth the marble hornets to watch. Just like jay, Seth seems to have been the only person at the time that Alex confided in about the TO troubles (entry 22). Seth, like Jay, may have possibly learned about TO from watching the MH tapes (although it's unclear if Alex had any Oppy footage at the time of entry 54). And just like Jay, Alex may have used the 'I need your help' ruse to (unsuccessfully?) dispose of Seth.

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Well, this isn't the only tape. Perhaps it gets worse on the next tape and he kills Amy out-right or leads her to the Operator. However, this would hardly be a revelation since Alex is a bastard. I am going to withhold any speculation until we see the next tape.

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paladin181 wrote:
Well, this isn't the only tape. Perhaps it gets worse on the next tape and he kills Amy out-right or leads her to the Operator. However, this would hardly be a revelation since Alex is a bastard. I am going to withhold any speculation until we see the next tape.


I consider it unlikely that Alex kills Amy on any of these tapes, considering they are very likely all from 2006, four years before she disappears.

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CraicIsMighty wrote:
Seth seems to have been the only person at the time that Alex confided in about the TO troubles (entry 22). Seth, like Jay, may have possibly learned about TO from watching the MH tapes (although it's unclear if Alex had any Oppy footage at the time of entry 54). And just like Jay, Alex may have used the 'I need your help' ruse to (unsuccessfully?) dispose of Seth.


I really hope they do something with this. It would really interesting to see Alex and Seth discovering the operator in the footage together, and actively seeking it out, like it appears they were doing in entry 22.

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You know, perhaps Alex attacked the members of Marble Hornets who knew about Amy. I mean, he says to her here that he mentioned to Tim that Amy was going to school near where Tim was suggesting they shoot. And if Amy was the mysterious girl in the car with Brian in the one early entry then Brian knew about her as well. If fact, Brian seems the most likely to know about Amy since he was Alex's neighbor.

That still requires a motive strong enough to kill for though and at this point Amy still doesn't seem like a strong motive yet.

There's also another thing. Where was Amy from originally? She knew Alex, so I would assume she was from wherever Alex was from and they simply ended up at different schools for whatever reason.

As for Amy finding Alex's camera in 26. I still think Alex's change in tone from "We don't have a camera." (flat, matter-of-factually said) to "WHERE did you find that?" (slightly perturbed, if still flat). He must have forgotten he had it. Though considering why Alex kept the tape with Brian being attacked on it, why did he keep the 26 as well? What was so important about those two tapes to Alex? I don't know... I still think there's something special about the Brian tape, because of how Alex reacted when Jay attempted to steal it the first time. Maybe I'm reading to much into it.

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With regards to Alex saying we don't have a camera, anyone thought maybe he finished his degree and was taking a break? It is, what 4 years between this entry and 26. That's plenty time to finish a degree especially if he had already done some of it.

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I'm running under the speculation that these are going to be called "The Amy Tapes" perhaps finally telling the backstory/what happened ultimately to Amy.

I have two possible explinations for some of the inconsistencies.
1. Simple continuity error. I mean come on seriously? Alex said he's moving up there FOR THE FILM PROGRAM, but apparently he had his girlfriend convinced that they did not own a camera? WAT?
OT:
Spoiler (Rollover to View):

That's like when I try to explain to my girlfriend that even though I have porn websites bookmarked, I don't watch porn, I just read the advertizements.

2. The only other possible explaination is that Alex and Amy got slenderized after the whole "Everyone is gone" incident and made them forget about the film school and Marble Hornets. Then, they live together incident free for two years.
or
3. Maybe Alex "Got rid" of all of his camera related stuff, told Amy he was no longer interested in film for some reason, and convinced her that for whatever reason (IE. Film school leading him to be a psychotic, sociopathic murderer.) they needed to stop talking about it and not do anything film related. Then after 2 years Amy was shocked to see despite all that, he had a camera.

Or maybe everyone involved with MH is a raging alcoholic and all of this can be explained away the same way normal people explain away ufo sightings.
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I was wondering the same thing after Pravado brought this up. 3 is the best option that I wish I'd thought of

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With regards to Alex saying we don't have a camera, anyone thought maybe he finished his degree and was taking a break?


But why would Amy believe that he got rid of his camera?

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Lithp wrote:
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With regards to Alex saying we don't have a camera, anyone thought maybe he finished his degree and was taking a break?


But why would Amy believe that he got rid of his camera?


I don't know, maybe it was out dated? I have no idea, I was just putting it out there.

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Ztakk
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gazza wrote:
paladin181 wrote:
Well, this isn't the only tape. Perhaps it gets worse on the next tape and he kills Amy out-right or leads her to the Operator. However, this would hardly be a revelation since Alex is a bastard. I am going to withhold any speculation until we see the next tape.


I consider it unlikely that Alex kills Amy on any of these tapes, considering they are very likely all from 2006, four years before she disappears.


Who's to say the timestamp in 26 wasn't edited in?

Hazman wrote:
Lithp wrote:
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With regards to Alex saying we don't have a camera, anyone thought maybe he finished his degree and was taking a break?


But why would Amy believe that he got rid of his camera?


I don't know, maybe it was out dated? I have no idea, I was just putting it out there.


Even so the whole situation was played out like they NEVER had a camera.

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What I want to know is how the hell Alex met Amy when she lived and went to school in Ross Town. I'm s tarting to think this is what TTA meant when he said he had been there from the beginning. I'm just throwing some stuff out there. I'm probably wrong, but I'm just going on a statement TTA made in one of his previous videos and the fact that we now know Amy was involved with Alex while he was filming Marble Hornets.

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twistedpuppet wrote:
What I want to know is how the hell Alex met Amy when she lived and went to school in Ross Town. I'm s tarting to think this is what TTA meant when he said he had been there from the beginning. I'm just throwing some stuff out there. I'm probably wrong, but I'm just going on a statement TTA made in one of his previous videos and the fact that we now know Amy was involved with Alex while he was filming Marble Hornets.


They never said she always lived in Ross Town. In fact, Alex said "Amy's going to school there." not "Amy's is from there." Which seems to imply that she moved to the area around the school she wanted to go to. She probably went to the same high school as Alex and they were dating then. She probably went to a more expensive school and Alex went to community college or a cheaper university. (Heck, Amy could have done the same thing and then transferred credits to the Ross Town school which is what a lot of college going students do. Take general classes at a less expensive school and transfer credits. In that case, they could have met early in college before she transferred.)

I'd say that it is much more likely they knew each other from school (high school or early college) and she transferred (or simply went to a different college)...

It seems to me that they met in college rather than high school. She had a plan to do what she did and followed it. Alex and her were a new enough couple that they didn't coordinate or alter said plan. (Alex could have transferred to her school the same time as her, but didn't... though he eventually decided on giving it serious thought. Or Amy could have decided to stay with Alex, but didn't either.)

That said, it seems likely that Jay could have known about Amy if she went to Alex and Jay's college for a while... so I guess the high school thing could still be just as likely. Though, has Jay ever expressed anything about Amy at all besides in S2? I mean, here he says he never saw anything pertaining to Amy in the older tapes... but he never said he didn't know about Amy.

But still I think it is more likely that she and Alex met because at one point they were going to the same school and she just ended up moving to Ross Town to go to college there after the relationship started rather than Amy having lived in Ross Town her entire life.

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Based on Entry #70, and hints from other entries, I think that Alex was in/near Rosswood for high school, where he met Amy. In Entry #22, in the confessional part, he says "I'm going back to my home" and shortly afterwards ends up in Rosswood. (Note that this is another tape that gave hints about where Alex went to, but that Alex didn't share with Jay.) In Entry #38, Alex does the "When I first moved here..." speech, which makes it sound as if he didn't move here just once. Then again he could have made the whole thing up- the rest of the speech was made up to creep Jay out for some reason.

Then there's totheark. If we're to believe enttry 37 (which I normally wouldn't!) the operator has been around Alex since he was a kid. Since totheark uploaded this entry, it could have been some footage that was edited to make the point, rather than real slender footage. In Session, totheark drop hints about kids being involved somehow, as if this has been going on for many years.

Moving onto Entry #51, I think it's worth noting that this is the only 2006 tape that obviously takes place in Rosswood. Since it involves both the hospital that Tim told Alex about, and Tim's only friend getting slenderised, as well as Tim himself, there's no way Alex would let Jay get his hands on this tape! The tape screams "Speak to Tim! He has the answers." Why would Alex keep this tape? Well it's the last one that has any sign of Tim on it from 2006. We now know that Alex went back to find Tim, get his camera and probably finish him off, but Tim managed to escape. Entry #51 clearly shows Tim survived Alex's attack, but Alex probably only saw this footage long after he left the hospital and headed back to CollegeTown.

With all this going on there's one loose end in Season 1 and that's Tim. If Jay and Tim spoke, and Tim gave Jay the tapes he had then they would have been able to piece it together and realise that Alex was in Rosswood at some point. Even worse for Alex, he doesn't know what is on Tim's tapes, and there's a good chance he had incriminating footage. As soon as Alex gets the chance, he attempts to get rid of Tim (Entry #35 "Give me the knife!") but Jay stops him. Then there's the Tim->Masky transition between Entry #15 and Entry #16. We now know that the lack of pills cause that state- it's possible someone came and took Tim's pills to stop him talking to Jay anymore. I think it's more likely it was Hoody than Alex though (to protect Jay from getting deeper into the mess.)

Anyway, to conclude I think that Alex lived in Rosswood during high school, where he met Amy, then moved to CollegeTown for college (and maybe to escape the operator.) Then the operator turns up during the filming of Marble Hornets and Alex freaks out. He leaves as quickly as he can and heads back to be with Amy, but doesn't give Jay any clue at about where he's going to. After Jay starts posting the entries Alex realises that Jay knows too much and sends him the Entry #26 footage, finally revealing his location. At that point all Alex has to do is take care of Tim's tapes and then Jay's left in the dark about what really happened and he can take Jay out at his leisure. But then Hoody comes along and screws things up for Alex.

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