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Why no mention of TO?
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McGregor
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They definitely refer to it as The Operator in at least one of those interview parts on the THAC channel.

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I'm sticking to the fact that they don't refer to it straight out of fear; They are paranoid enough to assume that mentioning it brings bad vibes, so yeah, or for OOG reasons they don't want to make it seem cheesy or something.

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 Warning: Wall o' text and screen caps ahead

paladin181 wrote:
It doesn't follow the pattern, but the name is based on an assumption due to thew use of the word Operator in the series. However, no one officially attributed this name to the Slenderman. I'm not saying we've been wrong, I'm only stating facts that when collected may make it prudent to keep an open mind about what Operator actually refers to.


All right, paladin. For you, and because I can't sleep, I have made screen caps. Please bear with me, as I have had to punch up the brightness and contrast of these to get anything at all to show up out of the murkiness that is Alex's unlit bedroom.

Edited to add: it would appear that the pictures are choosing to load in the opposite order from that intended. My apologies.


The first third pic is from Entry #11 at 1:41. There (in large letters) appears the word "OPERATOR" fairly clearly. Second pic, same Entry, time mark 1:37 -- oh look, it's our good friend Faceless Man in a Suit! I interpret their proximity as a linkage, and I'll tell you why. Obsessions tend to be singular -- more than one thing, and the intense focus is distracted. The way in which we observed Alex drawing in Entry #8 would imply such a single-minded obsessiveness of purpose: the same (or similar) drawings and words cropping up, again and again. (Kind of like the characters in Close Encounters of the Third Kind need to create Devil's Tower over and over again). Oh, and a bunch of "operator symbols" are seen, too.

Now to give the Devil his due advocacy, I must admit that other words do appear in these pictures: "SEES ME," "DON'T RUN," and "RUN AWAY." I will add the observation that the only other of these words to be any sort of noun is "ME." None of the other words seem like they'd be good names/referents, and I'm going to posit that "ME" probably doesn't refer to the drawings (or maybe Alex has some serious self-image issues).

And I've included a third the first screen capture, from a different frame of 1:37, because it shows the highlighted figures a bit more clearly. The collection of three in the upper right might possibly be insects and/or spiders, but I've noticed that two of them have 'x'-ed out heads, so they may also simply be cruder renderings of the "faceless man." I'll let you decide on that. The other highlighted box contains a guy with crazy hair and a 'T' painted on his face, wearing a blanket around his shoulders, or perhaps Mothman with his wings folded. Or again, maybe another crude or unfinished rendering of Mr. Faceless, as the crazy hair could also be an 'x.' (Not all of the drawings are refrigerator-display quality, clearly.)

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I think there are a few reasons why they don't mention TO:

1) They have trouble remembering him. There are relatively few instances where someone sees TO in the "present day". Most often we have seen him in tapes that cover some time of which Jay, at least, has no conscious memory. (All of Season 2, for example.) They must be aware they're dealing with an eldritch horror of some kind, but mostly they've seen him secondhand. It's probably hard to accept that they've dealt with him so much more often than they recall.

2) They probably have no in-universe name to call him by. "Operator" appeared in season 1 on some of Alex scribbled pages (Edit: as in Grumplestiltskin's post right above this one) and TTA has alluded to that name for him, but for Jay and Tim that label may not be known. Jay has talked about "that thing" once or twice.

3) Might be afraid to mention him. Such things can sometimes be summoned merely by talking about them. If you're smart, you talk about them as little as possible. This is an old, old superstition, and it applies to many things. My grandparents would never talk about the disease cancer by name, for instance.

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Lytrigian wrote:

2) They probably have no in-universe name to call him by. "Operator" appeared in season 1 on some of Alex scribbled pages (Edit: as in Grumplestiltskin's post right above this one) and TTA has alluded to that name for him, but for Jay and Tim that label may not be known. Jay has talked about "that thing" once or twice.


This is the reason I believe they don`t mention TO. Jay and Tim don`t seem to know what TO is called in-universe. At first it`s understandable since Jay thinks there`s just some random tall man stalking Alex, but as the series went on he still never let on that he thinks or knows that it`s called The Operator.

I`m sure someone might have said this already, but I also think that OOG Troy didn`t want Jay/Tim to directly start calling him TO to create more mystery around it. It may be possible that if they were calling him The Operator (like if Jay said in his text before an entry "Tim and I ran into The Operator at the abandoned hospital") it would decrease the suspense and fear on their part. It might humanize TO a little bit, when obviously he`s nowhere near human.

Hope that made some sense. That`s my two cents Wink .

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I would say unless we here something from Troy and Co that blatantly says "Yes, SLenderman's name in Marble Hornets is 'The Operator'" then I'd say that it's just the fan name from Alex's Drawings and the TTA video. A few of you keep saying that they've called him The Operator in interviews, yeah interviews that happened AFTER people started calling him that you're acting like there's never been a case of creators using a fan name to refer to a character in the series.

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Re: Warning: Wall o' text and screen caps ahead

Grumplestiltskin wrote:
The other highlighted box contains a guy with crazy hair and a 'T' painted on his face, wearing a blanket around his shoulders, or perhaps Mothman with his wings folded. Or again, maybe another crude or unfinished rendering of Mr. Faceless, as the crazy hair could also be an 'x.' (Not all of the drawings are refrigerator-display quality, clearly.)


I think it is clearly TO with an X on his face and what you thought it was a blanket are his long, long arms and the "T" in his face is the lower line of the head and the tie/cravate. I don't know how to explain it to you, because reading your description I was able to suit it with the picture, it depends on how you look at it. I am sorry for not being capable of explainig myself better D:
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Re: Warning: Wall o' text and screen caps ahead

Kraehtot wrote:
I think it is clearly TO with an X on his face and what you thought it was a blanket are his long, long arms and the "T" in his face is the lower line of the head and the tie/cravate. I don't know how to explain it to you, because reading your description I was able to suit it with the picture, it depend on how you look at it. I am sorry for not being capable of explainig myself better D:


You explained it perfectly well, dear Kraehtot, no worries. I have to tell you, your English is a million times better than my Spanish. Smile

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Ztakk wrote:
I would say unless we here something from Troy and Co that blatantly says "Yes, SLenderman's name in Marble Hornets is 'The Operator'" then I'd say that it's just the fan name from Alex's Drawings and the TTA video. A few of you keep saying that they've called him The Operator in interviews, yeah interviews that happened AFTER people started calling him that you're acting like there's never been a case of creators using a fan name to refer to a character in the series.


...What? No. Just no.

They wouldn't call Slenderman "The Operator" if they were already using "The Operator" to refer to something else

I've got one of the interviews where I believe they say it, but I've yet to locate the quote.

Ah, now I understand what is going on in this thread. Troy answers a Q&A, deliberately replaces every instance of "Slendeman" with "The Operator."

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On the subject of the Operator's name...(OOG):

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Troy and Joseph refer to their antagonist as "The Operator" before the deleted entry 37 on the season 2 DVD. Troy says something along the lines of, "We intended for this to be the big return of the Operator for season two..."

I wasn't here from the beginning, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm thinking Trosephim have always used the name (given the drawings, as others above have pointed out), rather than the fanbase using it and Trosephim adopting it.


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Grumplestiltskin wrote:
You explained it perfectly well, dear Kraehtot, no worries. I have to tell you, your English is a million times better than my Spanish. Smile


Aww, thank you. I feel sorry because sometimes I've problems expresing myself with "informal English" because in school and university we are really focused in formal language and it sounds odd being used here. Anyway, I'm glad I could help ^^
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Yes, that is the case, which is what I'm trying to prove. And if I might be so forward, it strikes me as a little ridiculous that I have to prove it, because the fanbase coming up with the mouthful of a nickname "The Operator," & Trosephim adopting it, in spite of using the term for something else, in spite of "Slenderman" & "Slendy" being much easier to say & more widely known, & then the "nickname" of "The Operator" somehow falling out of favor to the point where people are surprised to learn that it even has a name other than Slenderman...

That is all just so incredibly improbable.

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Ztakk wrote:
I would say unless we here something from Troy and Co that blatantly says "Yes, SLenderman's name in Marble Hornets is 'The Operator'" then I'd say that it's just the fan name from Alex's Drawings and the TTA video. A few of you keep saying that they've called him The Operator in interviews, yeah interviews that happened AFTER people started calling him that you're acting like there's never been a case of creators using a fan name to refer to a character in the series.


Okay, first off, I want to make a distinction that I'm not sure is clear: there's a difference between a fan-derived nickname and a name that the series has generated that fans also then use to discuss that character.

For instance: there is no place in any of the Marble Hornets videos where Jay refers to Tim's Unfortunate Alter Ego as "Masky" -- it. just. doesn't. happen. Nor does he write or speak of "Hoody." Jay, the character in the series, is certainly aware of these people, but insofar as he as he is concerned, as a character in the series, those are very strange, sometimes violent masked people, whose motives he has a hard time discerning, but whose names he does not know.

Troy, Joseph, and Tim, the creators of the Marble Hornets series, in Q&A sessions with fans, openly refer to "Masky" and "Hoody," because, as fate would have it, they drop by the unForums from time to time and have noticed that we fans have given those characters those (nick)names, which have organically developed so we can have a (relatively) consistent shorthanded way to discuss them.*


"The Operator" and "totheark" are names dreamed up the the creators of the series, just like the names "Jay," "Alex," "Tim," "Brian," et cetera, et cetera, ad nauseum, amen. The fans also use these names, because they are the names the creators gave them.



Also, I have listened to the completely dreadful recordings (good gahd, do those girls giggle loudly!) of GMX Q&As, and have not yet found the specific statement you seek, i.e.,
    "I, James Troy Wagner, do solemnly swear that in Marble Hornets we call our Slenderman-type monster 'The Operator,'"

but I have heard Troy refer derisively to the first season's DVD 1 anti-copying warning "Slenderman will get you," complaining that this only serves to confuse the fans (presumably because they don't call their monster Slenderman) [link is here, at 10:34].
There is also a very amusing segment where Troy and Joseph discuss one possible (now scrapped) ending to the series: "...Jay, driving away from The Operator, and having him, like, teleport in front of the car..." [see it here, at 0:55]. I've linked them, but I don't much expect them to convince you, because it kind of seems like you've set your evidence bar really, really high. But there it is.


* Because we are lazy, slothful creatures, who do not want to type out "The Man with Terribly Manly Sideburns Who Wears the Oddly Femmy White-and-Black Mask and Yet Still Manages to Be Sex Itself" (Praise Tim and His Prophet Serum, Peace Be Upon Him) and "The Man Wearing a Tan Hooded Jacket and a Very Peculiar Ski Mask." Yes, Lithp, I'm looking in your direction here. Smile


    TL;DR: "Masky" and "Hoody" are fan names. They are not the names of characters dreamed up the creators of Marble Hornets.

    "The Operator" and "totheark" are not fan names; they are names that Troy and Joseph made up.

    (Tip of the hat to Lithp and the marvelous grammar-fest link he posted in the bitching rage thread, which gave me the idea of color-coding this post.)


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Wow. I wasn't intending to spark off a huge discussion. it was merely a thought that maybe the name didn't mean what we thought. It is entirely likely that the name means exactly what we thought. I was just posting an alternative mode of thought, not trying to get Grumple and people up in arms. For the record, you did way more work than was necessary to convince me of something I didn't really need convincing of. Wink

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It was obvious way back, when this interview very clearly replaced all mentions of "Slenderman" from the fan questions with "Operator".

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