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donnied · Boot Joined: 10 May 2005 Posts: 14 Location: UK

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**Posted:** Tue May 10, 2005 6:34 am

xar · Guest

interesting

**Posted:** Tue May 10, 2005 6:48 am

donnied · Boot Joined: 10 May 2005 Posts: 14 Location: UK

I'll see what i can do - thanks

**Posted:** Tue May 10, 2005 6:56 am

donnied · Boot Joined: 10 May 2005 Posts: 14 Location: UK

I've scanned in both sides of the loose page which i've got with me - any ideas?

**Posted:** Tue May 10, 2005 8:48 am

Meak · Decorated Joined: 07 Jan 2005 Posts: 230

yes!!!!!!!

the second picture is of the grid in the final puzzle.

obviously the butterfly symbol appears in that position with the value of '17'

did you see any more flyers while you were there?

maybe some with different symbols on them?

**Posted:** Tue May 10, 2005 8:57 am

green ice queen

oh wow at last. a step forwards!

**Posted:** Tue May 10, 2005 9:23 am

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Jaeneas office · Guest

Hi

There are seventeen butterflies pictured on the Hornchurch Star website - in the advertisement on the right column.

Clue from the front of the card?

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**Posted:** Tue May 10, 2005 9:31 am

Meak · Decorated Joined: 07 Jan 2005 Posts: 230

ok, i'm now thinking along the route of prime numbers.

17 is a prime number. prime numbers are considered 'pure'.
i remember that during the soul worth test it mentioned something about pure maths or something like that. prime numbers could be the key.

the prime numbers are 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 29, 31 etc

we still don't know the order of the symbols, but the fact that the butterfly is positioned in that space correlates to the order they appear in on HWAU.

the order would be

(star)
raven
fire
trident
butterfly (17)
snake
dog

just working logically here.....

EDIT: there are also 17 butterflies on the wall of the Director of Acquisitions office in the photo ad.

donnied · Boot Joined: 10 May 2005 Posts: 14 Location: UK

nope didn;t see any other ones... my mates got the programmes too and there was definitely nothing in them - thats how i noticed it - sorry!

**Posted:** Tue May 10, 2005 9:41 am

flutesalad · Veteran Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 121 Location: leeds, uk

Man, and there I was thinking this had gone cold.....that you found that flyer would suggest the clues for the rest of the puzzle are out there somewhere. Finding them might be a problem - is there any way we can get a message out to people who were at the event, see if anyone else was given similar flyers?

And out of interest, how long ago was it, donnied? Just so we know what kind of timescale we're looking at - how recently we can say for certain that this thing's still going.

Much excitement!

**Posted:** Tue May 10, 2005 10:18 am

TicTac · Veteran Joined: 11 Jan 2005 Posts: 74 Location: Canada

could the trident be in position 4 (from the strange pictures)

**Posted:** Tue May 10, 2005 10:39 am

Meak · Decorated Joined: 07 Jan 2005 Posts: 230

**Posted:** Tue May 10, 2005 10:46 am

TicTac · Veteran Joined: 11 Jan 2005 Posts: 74 Location: Canada

if we include the trident as 4, what series of numbers would possibly be _ _ _ 4,17_ _

(star)
raven
fire
trident (4)
butterfly (17)
snake
dog

**Posted:** Tue May 10, 2005 11:00 am

TicTac · Veteran Joined: 11 Jan 2005 Posts: 74 Location: Canada

I have to go to work, so I don't have time to look, but is there any relationship to the pentagram and the series of numbers? One link I found is:

http://www.contracosta.cc.ca.us/math/pentagrm.htm

**Posted:** Tue May 10, 2005 11:33 am

donnied · Boot Joined: 10 May 2005 Posts: 14 Location: UK

it was April 13th ... doubt there were any others at the event as I made a point of having a look at the others I could see cause i though it might be part of a film ... details of the event are at http://www.ad05.com where I got tickets

it must be designed by that Marlowe web agency as they did last year's site

**Posted:** Tue May 10, 2005 12:07 pm