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Who is Enoch...isn't it INCREDIBLY OBVIOUS...

**Posted:** Thu Sep 26, 2002 8:30 pm

SpaceBass

You know, that was exactly what I first thought upon reading the Enoch site when it went up. But in the "beginnings" monologue, Enoch says he first became familiar with Push over a decade ago when a colleague told him about it, then he ended up driving down during a visit to Vegas. Ten years ago, as was pointed out to me, Jim would've been about 18 - an unlikely age to have 'colleagues.' Also, when he got off the phone with Bodnick at the start of episode 1, Jim had to ask Grace how far away Push was - seems like he would've known that if he'd been familiar with, and interested in, Push for ten years. Further, the fax that Jim received in episode one is slightly different than the one posted to Enoch's site, in that Enoch's doesn't have any addressing info on the front page where Jim's did. And heck, I don't remember seeing Jim anywhere near a computer in either of the first two episodes - whereas Enoch obviously spends some time on them.

I think it's more likely that the obvious Enoch=Jim connection is there as a smokescreen, that we're supposed to think that's who it is and be very surprised to find out differently.

**Posted:** Thu Sep 26, 2002 9:00 pm

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Wouldn't u like 2 no? · Guest

That's true,however, I wouldn't be concerned with small details such as those. I was just considering Jim as a possiblity, and, you should keep in mind that the game is separate from the show, the PMs probably dont take into account things like whether or not ABC payed enough money to put a computer in Jim's office.

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**Posted:** Fri Sep 27, 2002 11:02 pm

LordKinbote · Decorated Joined: 25 Sep 2002 Posts: 261

Enoch is not Jim. Today's Enoch update confirms it, where Enoch talks about an IRS agent who was arrested, and how the newspaper didn't report it.

---Scott

**Posted:** Sat Sep 28, 2002 1:47 am

Stepher

In Enoch's article, he mentions that he has a friend/source that he would like to remain confidential. I think the confident that Enoch is talking about is the homeless guy with the grocery cart.

**Posted:** Sun Sep 29, 2002 12:43 am

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re: Enoch is not Jim

**Posted:** Sun Sep 29, 2002 12:47 am

LordKinbote · Decorated Joined: 25 Sep 2002 Posts: 261

Yeah...from jail. Good thinking there.

---Scott

**Posted:** Sun Sep 29, 2002 1:41 am

monkeypants · Boot Joined: 26 Sep 2002 Posts: 56 Location: Wisconsin

While not so incredibly obvious...

**Posted:** Tue Oct 01, 2002 10:12 am

luvinpush

interesting, because Webster's dictionary describes Enoch as an old Testament Patriarch. hmmmm?

**Posted:** Tue Oct 01, 2002 10:23 am

yorock · Boot Joined: 26 Sep 2002 Posts: 19 Location: Tampa

More about Enoch in the bible: There was a Book of Enoch written around 150bc that contains many things including the judgement of the world, the fall of the rebellious angels, and tours of heaven and hell. It was not included in christian bibles; but was refered to in one of the new testament books

**Posted:** Tue Oct 01, 2002 10:41 am

Wouldn't u like 2 no? · Guest

I figured it could have been Jims dad...seems unlikely though...

**Posted:** Wed Oct 02, 2002 8:16 pm

dj_mystique · Boot Joined: 28 Sep 2002 Posts: 69 Location: Texas

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**Posted:** Thu Oct 03, 2002 6:32 pm

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pullofpush · Boot Joined: 04 Oct 2002 Posts: 14

Im so sorry if you've already covered this...
But did we establish that Enoch was not T.S. Griffin?

feeling the pull of Push

**Posted:** Fri Oct 04, 2002 6:30 pm