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Arana
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Re: UPDATE IN REVIEW

base2wo wrote:
Hope that helps. Please correct me if I've missed something, or if I got something wrong--I was doing this from memory mostly.


It certainly does. Thank you very much.

My one correction is that the updates I see on Matt's and Clay's pages wer from Wed. 10/26. I don't believe that those pages were updated on Sat. 10/29.
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Raider wrote:
Solving things in chat is great and like others, I think Chat is fun for a few, but the forums is fun for all.


Many long-time players (not sure who is in the circle and who is not) share your sentiments. See my signature and also this thread

Just keep playing in the forum as I do (when I have time!).
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Raider wrote:

(snip)
It's annoying though to read it after the fact, because I'm not playing the game anymore, I'm just reading an online novel.
(snip).


I just have to respond to this. Sorry mods for going too Meta here.

Finding cards is not the only thing about playing the game. I doubt I'll ever find a card and yet, I love playing this game. Just reading the forums, even if it is after the fact and posting spec, or even just lurking and thinking about spec, I think you are playing the game.

As far as your date goes Raider, you weren't the only one being pumped for your date. Every person in the fellowship was being asked many times what their date was. Everyone was scrambling around trying to figure out what was going on. At one point someone said something about us only having a few more minutes to solve it, so everyone was panicing.

I don't think it's true that there is a them vs. us mentality, it's just that the folks here have been doing ARGs for a long (or short) time and have found a way of doing things that works. That just happens to involve a heavy use of #lastcall, because the forums aren't conducive to lightning fast speed at which information comes out. Honestly, chat isn't that exciting sometimes anyway. It's just, "New Lucy" and you rush to open a window with her info, and then someone else goes "Woohoo! New card!" and posts the link and you rush over there, but instead of spending any time actually reading what's there, you just scan it searching desperately for any names so that you might possibly be the one who figures out the next card. Then, when someone gets to it first, then you have somepeople congratulating them, and others complaining because they can't believe they got beaten to the punch. And so it goes... it's exciting because it's all happening so fast, but it's stressful as well.

Honestly, I think that I spend a lot more time "Playing the game" when it's all said and done. I go back and re-read things. I spend time thinking about what it all means. I enjoy the story for the story.

As I've said before, I doubt I'll ever get a card. I will hardly ever solve (or even help solve) a puzzle. But, I am proudly playing the game.

Sorry, if I stepped on any toes or seemed at all offensive. I just needed to get that out [/rant]
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skywisej - OF COURSE that's how it goes. irc is often the pointy end. And way fun when it's hopping. However it is ephemeral and useful only in the moment. Arana and raider have properly pointed out that people are a bit lax about posting their solves here after the fact. Maybe because the game itself shows the results (who found the character card), but that really isn't the whole story, is it? (Why did strifey get the code solve but miss_caro claimed the card? Just for example.)

And there are the story-behind-the-day things that really would be nice to post here for those of us who cannot be on hand for events. Frankly even if you are THERE you can miss a lot of what is going on. I would like to hear the googling and mad dash stories that describe the day- let our solvers take long-term credit for the work they did to contribute!
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I've found that I'm more reluctant to give information since I'm not in the inner circle and the game is becoming annoying because of it. For instance: I know I'll never get Victor's hat because I don't belong in the circle. I remember in the thread that someone said, "Let's keep the hat with us


Well, I am sorry. It is good to know that we are giving people any impression that we don't want to share information or that you have to be in an "inner circle." Thanks for posting about how you perceive the game.

That isn't my intention. I hope everyone who plays a game feels connected to the game community. /me invites everyone to the circle.

Though I don't want to speak for spacebass or anyone else, I am certain that he and the founding members didn't create-- and continue to maintain (with the help of many others!) -- this site for an "inner circle" or for information to be hoarded. The point is to play the game togetheras a community.

Somehow this game hasn't been conducive to group play, which is odd, because the only thing to win here are poker chips that disappear every week. In PPC people are sharing like crazy where there is a competitive leader board and a prize of $200,000. So I really don't get it.

I personally have had a crazy schedule during this game so I haven't been able to follow the story, post ideas, update the wiki or even the timeline I started, as much as I would have liked.

As for posting over chat -- maybe that is where this problem originates. I think we could all continue to be more vigilant about posting updates! I haven't been here for updates and so miss lots of stuff. But I will post what I can, when I can.

About your specific issue with the dates that Lucky gave out- I tried to post them in that thread as fast as I could so that everyone could see them. Thanks for sharing yours with us raider. Don't disappear on us. Smile
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Raider, I have already found two cards without going on #lastcall once. Just keep trying and I'm sure you will find one.
I agree with skywisej on his her points, that this game really isn't all about finding cards and solving puzzles. I know that everyone works hard to try and be the first person to find a new profile, and that it sucks when after another full day of updates you're still not on the card hunter list. But the people who make this game have the strongest focus on storyline. And that is what playing this game is. A storyline which can become more immersive than any book, movie, or videogame because you receive information from people in it just like you receive information from people in real life (telephone, e-mail, faxes, etc). That's why the alternate reality game description fits so perfectly with the type of game this is. So try and enjoy the game for what it is. It is fun in it's own right without being the first person to accomplish something. And many of the people from the chat are the same people from the forums. They are just two different types of communication for this game. The people in the chat work faster, so in the card finding scheme of things, they might usually come out ahead. But we are heavy on spec and intelligence gathering here on the forums where people are often congratulated for coming up with a great theory or writing up an event that happens afterwards inside the game itself. We are glad to have you here raider, same with everyone else, so try not to get too upset. Just, please have fun and enjoy.
edit: my deepest of apologies skywisej.

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I think it's great actually that I can honestly explain my feelings without being flamed. I take no offense from anyone rebutting me, nor do I hope I offended anyone either. It's just the way I've perceived it so far.

I'll try to get IRC working and hopefully, they'll decide to make a live event in Green Bay! Smile

I agree that it's fun to read up after the fact, the two examples I gave in my post are the experiences thatI've had that soiled my perception.

I'll erase it and open my mind again and see how it goes.

BTW, sorry to thread-jack, I think we;ve gotten way of topic here. Smile
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Raider wrote:
I've found that I'm more reluctant to give information since I'm not in the inner circle and the game is becoming annoying because of it. For instance: I know I'll never get Victor's hat because I don't belong in the circle. I remember in the thread that someone said, "Let's keep the hat with us."


Lucky said he wanted the hat to go to "exotic places". I asked for locations to be PM'd to me and tried to get the hat to go around the world. It was more like a first-come, first-sent sort of plan. Nothing about any "inner circle" on my part. In fact, I have never met nor interacted with hmrpita, cybersekrt, Nadir, or HitsHerMark before. And only know about Ehsan and miss_seph from their participating in the forums previous games (i.e. "in passing"). I did NOT play "I Love Bees" so sometimes I feel out-of-the-loop for some of the in-jokes that 4orty-2wo has put into LCP.


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Because I can't get IRC to work, I reluctantly gave my date to konamouse. Five seconds later it was solved. I was trying to talk to konamouse about a possible spec and she replied, "No need, Solved"


I will apologize for any miscommunication. It was in the process of being solved on spec about the missing date and there were about 3 different chat/PM windows open on my desktop at the same time.


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I keep plugging away at the game on my own, but this whole ARGN versus unknowns isn't going to progress the future of ARG gaming.


We try to welcome new players all the time. It can be tough coming into an existing group, but if you hang out long enough, you will meet many great folks who are quite helpful. Most of us were the newbies previously (I came into unforums during Chasing The Wish so I knew nothing of The Beast or Lockjaw). I understand it can be intimidating when puzzle-solving minds are going 109 mph (and I only think in speed limit terms).

And many times I am not able to be around during updates (work). I only got lucky with some recent scheduling. There always seems to be a puzzle or update or card that isn't found until hours after the updates start. And social interactions are much more valuable than fake chips. Please continue to hang out and be a part of this experience.
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A bit of a sidenote...I put up a write-up and photostory for the KC event over in the other forum...here's the URL: http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12943

Hope you guys enjoy!

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Don't resignate...I thought I'd never ever find a card and then I found Carlos Delaje who could have been found for, like what...2 hours? Maybe one hour, but definitely long after the hunting started.
Ok, I only found it because someone didn't get the name in the video right. But alas: never give up hope! Razz

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What he ^ said. The cards mostly go in moments. There are only so many (8-9 a week now). Most of us will NEVER get cards. Esp. if we're on dialup at home. (Unlike ILove Bees where everybody could get a phone. Repeatedly. For weeks on end.) That level of interaction in THIS game means that 99% of us will never get a card. I'm resigned to it. So I have to watch most of the action. As will most everyone else.

Note that Shad0, first to learn the name hint from KC was "Patton", did not get the card. So even being active on the front lines of an event doesn't get you much sometimes. So this is just part of the fun. Do what you can and be available to help. You never know when your hobby will become a critical topic that will answer a puzzle. And enjoy it for what it is.
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well here is the thing with every arg there is an angle to it. The thing is that I was shocked that i got a card. I am one that always reads the boards and clicks on the links and see what others discover. The time when the group really gets together is when there is a wed update.

In addition you should see how the team performs together when tournaments are going on. People are getting the hand numbers. I'm able to update the wiki. Others can look back at hands played that they were not present for and really get the full experience.

That being said, I got dirt lucky and yes i had a spec and i tried it first before i let others know about it. It is just the nature of this game. This arg has indivisual parts to it and it sucks not to get what is going on. But as you read through the events and watch the video, and the flashes on the site. You can discover it for yourself.

the idea of an inner circle I dont agree with that statement. All of us that post on the forum our part of the family, just when a game event takes place the pm's have made it known that events take place within certain time limits.

If this was not a wed and saturday only update schedule and more like what Lost seems to be now, there would not be such a big group running for all kinds of things. I wish it could be different but this is how it has to be unless the pm's make a change to the game.
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Raider wrote:
I've found that I'm more reluctant to give information since I'm not in the inner circle and the game is becoming annoying because of it. For instance: I know I'll never get Victor's hat because I don't belong in the circle. I remember in the thread that someone said, "Let's keep the hat with us."

Sorry for the soapbox, it's just frustrating.


First let me say that I sympathize with your concerns. I recognize this is not an easy nut to crack, that we're a clique-ish bunch and we're highly IRC dependent. Let me at least try to explain why I choose to be very active on IRC and not active on the forums.

I feel that Forums slow a community down. They're wonderful for archival information and discussion in times of lull between major updates. Updates happen so fast with these games that even refreshing a forum will miss some of the most recent happenings and speculation. IRC is the tip of the spear of this community and a lot of the solve-time stuff happens there. I know this is frustrating, but it is a necessity of interaction.

Real-time updates mean we need real-time communication methods and forums are not sufficiently fast to deal with the situations. Forums are good for archival, but these games happen precisely once, and aren't replayable. I know that we'd like to keep better archives of these live events, of the update times in IRC, but the best we can do is post-facto updates.

For the record, my three solves are thus:

Padre Inferno - Ambrose Bierce

The clue that lead us to his name was that which said he was a preacher with a name from Dante. Well, that could be Virgil or Beatrice, except that fathervirgil or fatherbeatrice wouldn't work. But, Dante wrote the Inferno, and might be a fun name for a preacher, and priests in mexico are "padre", so enter padreinferno.

William R. Hearst

Really, I got this by guessing correctly who Willy was. Who had occasion to be angry with Bierce? Well, Hearst sure did as several of Bierce's satiric poems contained references to Hearst, and Bierce was also employed as a writer by Hearst. Ergo, lucky guess.

Rosita Klein Y Flores

From the Major's page, the Dia de los Muertos video suggest that Rosie/Rosita's last name is Klein Y Flores. So, a few guesses later, done.

...

It is not that those in IRC seek to exclude those who are not there, we are a welcoming group on #unfiction and on #lastcallpoker. I just don't think forums are the best way to handle updates. It's a bandwidth problem. We're dealing with so much information that we need adequate tools to make it possible.

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here is how i solved JohnSmithCaldswell

someone on the irc showed a picture that showed JSC on the saddle, no idea where it came from.

Someone else mention Caldwell, no idea where that came from.

I just came back from shabbos, (jewish day of rest) so i was really behind someone mention they tried Jack S caldwell and they got nothing


I started reading the updates and there it was John Smith. John Smith i said to myself let me look to see if there is a card for that. hmm there isn't.

I looked at the irc and people were still scratching their head at JSC and they knew it ended in caldwell.

So i was like, OMG quick batman to the search box and i entered in JohnSmithCaldwell.

The page came up and i was expecting some sort of fan fair and i figured someone already found it.

I went to the top leaderboard and i saw RPGgame above it.

I quickly checked my profile and saw JohnSmith as my unlock.

I was in total shock... somehow i found a card and the community had a lot of time to find it and i thought i was missing out since events were taking place on saturday which is a horrible time for a religious jew to be playing a game.

Somehow i got lucky.... real lucky...

thats my story and im sticking to it.
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Re: Inner Circle

Oh, look, this horse isn't quite dead yet. Mind if I borrow that soapbox for a minute? Thanks.

Raider wrote:
Also, last week, when they contacted the fellowship of the dead members, which I am one of, I got 16 PMs in 5 seconds asking me what date Lucky gave me. I was asking where we all were sharing this information and didn't get an answer besides, "in IRC", or "Chat" and was just told to tell them my date. Many people got irate with me when I wouldn't give them my information until I could have an equal chance of solving the puzzle if I joined "them." I worked hard to be in the fellowship of the dead, don't I deserve an equal chance to solve?

Because I can't get IRC to work, I reluctantly gave my date to konamouse. Five seconds later it was solved. I was trying to talk to konamouse about a possible spec and she replied, "No need, Solved"

I am glad I was able to help. Sad

I know how you feel. Back during ILB, I was almost never able to connect to the chat. During puzzle updates, the applicable forum thread probably received posts every 30 seconds as people reported their progress, solution or not. And probably more than half the time, the eventual answer would show up in a post that began, "So-and-so in chat figured out that..." (And that was in an ARG that had multiple puzzles at the same time, unlike LCP which mostly seems to have one at a time -- not counting the ongoing search for cards -- so if you miss out on that one you might be done for the whole day.) So yes, it can be frustrating when the Collective Detective(tm) works faster in real-time.

However, as to this particular puzzle: The dates that the DC team gathered from the cemetery were posted in this thread almost as soon as they reported them by telephone. The precise method that was eventually used to solve the puzzle was posted right here within minutes. Since some of the dates weren't actually correct, we had to wait for Lucky to steer us in the right direction... but part of the reason the solve came so fast is that everyone already had a pretty good idea of the method.

The post immediately before yours contained the new dates we received from Lucky. I was editing that post pretty much as we got each new date. Observant folk probably noticed that the first four dates -- which, as had already been noted, spelled JACK -- did not change at all. More observant folk probably noticed that, while the last three dates were now #8-#10 instead of #7-#9, the months and years changed while the days did not -- which strongly indicated that the method tried earlier was correct, but some of the data was wrong. The person who ultimately found the card, Lloyd, was probably not the first one to get JACK McGURN, but he was the first one to find out and try his nickname.

Lloyd wrote:
Thanks to those who helped solved the puzzle. I wouldn't have gotten the "machinegun" card...if it weren't for everyone trying to solve it together.

I intend absolutely no offense or flaming of any kind, Raider, but I do have to say that I think you picked the wrong puzzle to complain about not having an equal chance to solve. The information was right here, on the forums. I put it there myself, darn it. I'm certainly sorry that you or anyone else has felt left out, but just I don't believe that some nonexistent "inner circle" deserves the blame.

(Oh, by the way, if I'm wrong and there is an inner circle, then I want in right now. Mr. Green )

More importantly, you did help. (And were specifically acknowledged, for whatever it's worth.) That may not be as satisfying as getting the spade -- okay, okay, that's definitely not as satisfying as getting the spade -- but, as I have said before, even when this ARG is long gone, the one thing that will remain is credit for your contributions to the experience. So major kudos for earning your way into the Fellowship of the Dead, thanks again for your help, and I hope you don't actually decide to give up on this community. It's really a pretty cool one.

DISCLAIMER: The foregoing is just the individual opinion of one person. It is not and should not be construed in any way as being a representation of the opinion of a majority or any significant portion of the members of unfiction, the players of Last Call Poker, or humanity in general.

(Except for the "thanks" part.)


aliendial wrote:
Note that Shad0, first to learn the name hint from KC was "Patton", did not get the card. So even being active on the front lines of an event doesn't get you much sometimes.

On the other hand, I freely admit that I totally, totally screwed up on this one and failed to post either T.E. Patton or why anyone would care about that name until after konamouse had already found the card. Embarassed I can only hope that you will accept my assurances that it was a stupid, stupid oversight, and not intentional information hoarding on my part.

For the record: The Kansas City team was told they'd need the last name of the last person to whom Lucky introduced them at the cemetery to unlock the first of eight new cards. That name was T.E. Patton. I was the one on the phone with JackBurt0n when they got the name. I typed it into chat. Given that we were expecting to be in World War I or thereabouts, I then immediately went looking for georgepatton, georgespatton, generalpatton, generalgeorgepatton, generalgeorgespatton, georgespattonjr, georgepattonjr, generalgeorgepattonjr, generalgeorgespattonjr, and everything else I could think of -- including tepatton, tpatton, and patton, just in case -- only to find out later that georgespatton was right all along but hadn't been put up yet. Mad (Then again, I'm sure I'm not the only one who had the idea, so it's not like I would've been guaranteed to find the card first anyway. Mustn't get greedy. Mr. Green )
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