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ardiente
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Questions for the doctor

Where is his father's grave?
Has Jochen seen it?
Who were the family which fostered him after his father's death?
Who was the 'drunk driver'?
Were both his father and his subsequent family, in fact murdered?
Were they murdered by AV or is AV protecting Jochen from the 'agents' which committed these murders?
Is there in fact a third party we have not encountered yet?

What does that damn coin mean?

And if Jochen is in fact Satan's lovechild, shouldn't we just off him now and save ourselves a lot of trouble Twisted Evil

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Forgery
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Who exactly called him Amuktor? Was it his original parents? or his foster parents? etc

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Mofy
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First, what Forgery said, also
Where did he grow up. (country / region)
what religion were his parents, or community he was raised in.
any recent physical changes, compulsions or cravings recently. (he is keen on saying he is changing, but light on detail.)

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ardiente
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General Theories

Theory A
Jochen is as mad as a box of frogs. He spends his days fabricating 'evidence' to fill the void his family left him to occupy. His conscious mind suppresses any memory of making these forgeries, so finding them (on his bed, on his car, around his house - everywhere except in places outside of Jochen's control) reinforces his belief that he is being shadowed. His unconscious mind feels relieved by browsing 'dark' videos on youtube, since it gives him an ersatz family and places him in the company of other 'fabricators'.


Theory B
AV is in fact Jochen's guardian. They know of his demonic heritage and have protected him since birth. They got rid of his father (a mortal who knew he had been cuckolded by a demon), they got rid of his foster family (who wanted to make a priest of him, possibly in the knowledge that Jochen was not on the side of the angels). For Jochen to take hold of his own destiny, he must escape AV for good.

Theory C
Jochen remains alive, because AV has protected him from previous assassination attempts. His family were slaughtered in botched attempts to murder Jochen. This means there is another organisation shadowing Jochen, concealed from us so far by his obsession with AV.

Oh... and another question... What was going on at the Vatican? Jochen emailed me afterwards and implied that the trip hadn't gone so well, with an "I'll tell you about it another time" kind of comment.

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dvw
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Okay here is my speculation(of the wild A@@ kind).

One of the Doc's parents was the love child of Alister Crowley (what a freak)
http://www.channel4.com/history/microsites/M/masters_darkness/crowley.html

AV is a group of disciples of Crowley. They are trying to track down Doc to make him the leader of their group.

I also like ardiente's theories.
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mycroftxxx
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dvw wrote:
AV is a group of disciples of Crowley. They are trying to track down Doc to make him the leader of their group.

I also like ardiente's theories.


Again, my heartfelt hope is that Crowley does NOT figure into this ARG in a major way. Yes, he called himself "The Beast" and did lots of drugs and black magick, but he's just not that scary. At all, really. I wouldn't have left the man alone around valuables or young female relatives, but that's more because he's a religious leader and automatically untrustworthy.


<funny>PM! IF YOU ARE READING THIS, BE WARNED! IF YOU INCLUDE CROWLEY IN A MAJOR WAY IN THIS ARG YOU WILL BE SORRY! I KNOW REAL-LIFE THELEMITES AND I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE! I WILL DRAG YOU KICKING AND SCREAMING TO THEIR WEEKLY COFFEE KLATCHES! YOU WILL BE BORED TO TEARS!</funny>

There, that should settle the whole "crowley" thing.
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DetroitLegend
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My turn!

AV is a cult-like group of devil worshippers that know who the good doctor really is( Evil or Very Mad ). Now knowing that the time has come to release Doc's inner self that has been suppressed for so long, AV started to release demonic videos to unlock all that is needed for the Doctor to realize his true destiny… To open the gates of HELL! Shocked
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AngBa
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It's obvious that we know that his past and family play a huge roll in all of this... Here are a couple of my 'off the cuff' questions...

1) He has said that his family always got angry when his mother was brought up? Why?

2) Siblings? I'm assuming not, but we've never formally asked.

3) More details on his family (wife/kid(s)) that died. We know HOW, but what about them.

4)Ard, I'm w/ you on the Vatican trip, it seemed like we were going to get more info on that...

5) Sarah mentioned that the VP of 'the institute' was dead against letting the Dr. use company resources for his own personal interests, but the Pres. said it was fine - why was the Doc led to the institute in the first place? His 'change' seemed to start when he got to Houston.

That is all for now, if I think of any more (which I usually do while in the chat room and talking w/ doc I'll post 'em)
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stilettoblade
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random speculations and such

ardiente wrote:
Theory A
Jochen is as mad as a box of frogs.


I don't think anybody would argue this one...

ardiente wrote:
(a mortal who knew he had been cuckolded by a demon)


"cuckolded" is an awesome word, and I applaud you for using it there.

I've been wondering about that Vatican trip too... It took place after the game started, and I think it's important.

I'm partial to parts of ard's theory A, except that I think that Jochen being a nutcake with a bunch of creepy imaginary friends leaves us pretty much nowhere, so I'd modify it to disassociative identity disorder (what most people really mean when they say "schizo").
What if AV is really the Dr., a repressed personality related to the mysterious childhood we know nothing about? Wouldn't it be crazy if we get another character contact, and it's really the Dr. still, just a different personality with more/different info?
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oraclle
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More questions and spec

Doc, do you have any distinguishing features; odd birthmarks, tatoos, etc.?

What is your earliest memory?

Do you have any phobias?

Who is your favourite superhero? Razz

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I think that the doc is a gentically modified test-tube baby based on the DNA of an SS officer who was supposedly his father. The dreams are genetic memories surfacing (remember those nazis were a very strange bunch - occult all over the place).

He was designed to be the conduit for the antichrist and AV have been searching for him since he was taken by the allies at the end of the war and re-homed in France (how old is he anyway? If he was born after the war then just read that a friendly scientist in the team wanted to free him from his awful destiny and snatched him).

AV are the group that wants to steer the doc back to being a conduit but as free will is so powerful they have to unhinge him first rather than snatch him and perform the ceremony right there and then.

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Does this make sense - not really but it was fun to think up Very Happy

EDIT: Just tidying up some grammar.

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Wabonan
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Ok how is he related to gypsies..his foster or real parents or some family friend would have to be related... no one just calls someone something in a foreign language. So someone would know about gypsies that is close to him.
I did look at gypsy beliefs..AMUKTOR does not seem to be part of them.

I think AV is going to be his guardian or foster parents.... Find out who he told he was coming ot Houston and who he didn't . I bet he left without telling someone close... That is why he hasn't gotten anything about AV while he was here. The person is alot older than him and doesn't use the computer at all.... Thats why efforts to draw AV out haven't worked.

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Arkaham
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My own theory: the doc's dad was an evil natzi who was inmersed in the occult. He knew the ebst way to destroy the world was a good mixture of demonic power and science.

But they lost the war, so we put all his knowledge into breeding a demonspawn with the help of some witch. But the witch got some remorse at the last second and gave the kid away.

For years he lived among gipsies, untill his dad found him out, and moved his influences to get him into science, and later on, into some secret research. Then, when the time was right, he pulled out the AV card to make the doc remember his demonic side.

If the doc follows AV, we can kiss humankind goodbye.




Crazy theories aside, I'll do a new video tomorrow to try to get something about the doc's childhood and family. That seems to be the most common question asked here.
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AngBa
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That would be awesome Ark -


I think that everything is going to change after the website comes up "tomorrow", and those of us getting packages should have them tomorrow or Saturday... The dynamic of the game could change dramatically after then!
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ardiente
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More questions and spec

oraclle wrote:


Does this make sense - not really but it was fun to think up Very Happy



LOL

How about this one? AV is his mother. I have no evidence whatsoever to present except that it takes the guardian theory to an extreme...

The German connection is one that I can't quite fathom. Its a difficult task to maintain coherence in a story when you're blending fictional and real people. But it remains a tantalising piece of evidence, because Peiper's own story, is such a complex and challenging one.

Just as a meta comment, I stopped believing in this narrative as soon as we started talking about witches. Jochen, the character has become irrelevant to me, I don't really care about his fate. Partly, this is due to the fact that I'm a born skeptic (believe me, its a curse...Wink ), but mostly its because I've become more interested in seeing how the PMs deal with the conundrum they've set up with his name. If the coincidence proves to have no relevance to the story, then I'm saying now to the PMs, that you found the perfect way to lift the curtain right at the very start of the game.

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