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konamouse
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Another way the ancient greek were used to speak of a gnomon is the one reported also by Eli Maor: even in the year 1105 BC, in the far east as Maor reports, from a text named Chou-pei Suan-king it can be found written:
«The knowledge comes from the shadow,
and the shadow comes from the gnomon»
What is this gnomon referred here, and what has it to do with shadows, to the degree Eli Maor speaks of "shadow reckoning"?
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konamouse
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I love trying something and then it pops up and scares me that it worked.

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http://www.greywethers.net/shadow.html

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catherwood
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konamouse wrote:
...«The knowledge comes from the shadow,
and the shadow comes from the gnomon»
What is this gnomon referred here, and what has it to do with shadows..


It is the vertical portion of a sundial which casts the shadow:
http://www.kaccents.com/For_Home/Garden/Sundials/1298.htm

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Gupfee
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this also works:

http://www.greywethers.net/knowledge.html

and the numbers are:

21 83 42 09 26 13 79 80 15 61 22 55 07


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Sunny du Pree
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Gupfee wrote:
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this also works:

http://www.greywethers.net/knowledge.html

and the numbers are:

21 83 42 09 26 13 79 80 15 61 22 55 07


And the letters that are highlighted in the quote spell
YOGA
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MageSteff
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Dont forget...

Gupfee wrote:
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this also works:

http://www.greywethers.net/knowledge.html

and the numbers are:

21 83 42 09 26 13 79 80 15 61 22 55 07


Don't forget this:
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In the quote the letters Y O G A are in a different size/type face and stick out. The numbers are broken into three sets like so:
21, 83, 42
09, 26, 13, 79, 80, 15
61, 22, 55, 07



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Myssfitz
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In the source at the knowledge and shadow pages I found a swf. Which I know is just the numbers that come up on the knowledge and shadow page, but...

http://www.greywethers.net/text1.swf
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dashcat
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Spoiler

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The numbers decoded to read The Golden Rule which leads to

http://www.greywethers.net/thegoldenrule.html

This was a homophonic encryption and yoga was the keyword


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Myssfitz
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The quotes are all from the Golden Rule. There are 13 of them. See the list here:

http://www.mindanao.com/kalinaw/thoughts/goldenrule.htm


I tried "thirteen" and no luck.



*Edit- It leads us to:

http://www.blavatsky.net/
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grumpyboy
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thegoldenrule.html (yea dash!) is a bunch of quotes which were all "golden rules" in diff religions/beliefs except one. which is one by aristotle called the golden mean (yea gupfee!). This leads to thegoldenmean.html (yeah gupfee!)

That page had an audio consisting of a bunch of beeps. Those in chat caught on that it was somehow related to fibonacci. Some good googling by gupfee found the page that the audio was from (http://www.mcs.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/R.Knott/Fibonacci/fib.html). This led to rabbitsequence.html (credit to Diandra who was so fast on this one that nobody knew what she meant when she said "rabbit sequence" - sorry i missed you on this one earlier)

we've emailed whitehouseSPLATgreywethers.net and fibonacciSPLATgreywethers.net but have not heard back from them yet...



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Myssfitz
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Ohh, didn't see the golden mean one.

Good job dash and gupfee and grumpyboy Very Happy
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Sunny du Pree
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greywethers puzzle solve

I am in AWE you guys blow me away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Laughing Shocked Laughing Shocked Laughing Shocked Laughing Shocked
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Myssfitz
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The page says: e-mail the creator's name.

His name wasn't Fibonacci. It was actually Leonardo of Pisa or Leonardo Pisano. See below.

Quote:
Who was Fibonacci?
The "greatest European mathematician of the middle ages", his full name was Leonardo of Pisa, or Leonardo Pisano in Italian since he was born in Pisa (Italy), the city with the famous Leaning Tower, about 1175 AD.

Quote:
http://www.mcs.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/R.Knott/Fibonacci/fibBio.html


He also went by Fibonacci (duh, i know Very Happy ), Leonardo Bigollo, and filius Bonacci. In older books any variation of the above mentioned could be found (besides Fibonacci). So I've tried them all. Info from the same page.
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Caterpillar
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WhooHoo Great job guys!

On Thursday morning I did a lot of reading (post on pg2) and came up with a lot of stuff on shadows/astrolabs/sundials....and even led me to the Golden Rule.

Now my question is.... I (and I'm sure others) tried shadow/thegoldenrule/goldenrule among others. I tried these on Thursday, so why wouldn't they have worked if the next page after gnomon was indeed shadow?

I'm just curious, because the leap to shadow (after reading a lot on "gnomonics" seemed logical enough to me, although I hadn't solved "gnomon". So do you think the PMs watch until we seem on the right track before they "turn it on" so to speak.

Again...great work all!

~cem

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grumpyboy
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to get everyone up to speed...

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emailing fibonacciSPLATgreywethers.net, u get a reply:

http://www.greywethers.net/sb5/sainteberegonne5.html

fibonacci
spiral

visiting that page u get asked for a username/password which is fibonacci/spiral


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clicking on the upperleft window labelled mysteries brings you to http://www.greywethers.net/sb5/window5.html

which dmax figured was a painting by Piet Mondrain (see here http://utenti.romascuola.net/bramarte/astrattismo/mondrian.htm). That leads to http://www.greywethers.net/sb5/mondrian.html



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alt text on the image is "oro te pater sanas oro te pater". gupfee found this page thru google http://www.areafranca.com/MagicSquare.htm

which I connected to http://www.greywethers.net/sb5/magicsquare.html


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I recognized those as planetary magic squares by cornelius agrippa (see here http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3469/examples.html) which led us to http://www.greywethers.net/sb5/agrippa.html


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That particular magic square is the Jupiter magic square (recognized from my timehunt days Smile) which Albrect Dürer incorporated into one of his engraving (see here http://web.org.uk/picasso/melencolia.html). This led us to http://www.greywethers.net/sb5/durer.html


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That particular engraving by durer is called melancholia which led us to
http://www.greywethers.net/sb5/melancholia.html (I get another easy one!)


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meanwhile diandra was off googling magic squares and quickly found the image on the melancolia.html page is from here http://mathforum.org/alejandre/magic.square/loshu.html. Leading us to http://www.greywethers.net/sb5/loshu.html


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clicking on the "enter" button causes a popup asking "Enter the correct amount of sacrifice to make". Those who read the http://mathforum.org/alejandre/magic.square/loshu.html page quickly knew the correct answer was "15". Entering "fifteen" in the popup box (i don't think "15" works) leads us to http://www.greywethers.net/sb5/fifteen.html

Initially there was nothing in the source code of that page, but it was quickly updated with <!--no more (for now) -->


That's it for now...

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