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New Task to locate 'Diamond' Clue - Lucians Only!
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sapagoo
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 		New Task to locate 'Diamond' Clue - Lucians Only!
ekats, go away.
Psst.
Vikram Kabra sent me an e-mail telling me to help locate the diamond clue. He said that it was one of the following diamonds:
    * Briolette of India
    * Spoonmaker's Diamond
    * Koh-i-Noor
    * Florentine Diamond
    * Tavernier Blue
    * Dresden Green
    * Star of the South
    * Jacob Diamond
We need to find out all there is to know about these diamonds and document them. I'll try to create a page on the wiki where the other branches can't find it.
Try to document what you can find. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if Ilyana had it on her possession, but I don't know where she is right now.

(please be constructive, don't turn this thread into a flame war with other branches)
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BEDOMII
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 		well, seeing as i am in england-i could steal the crown jewls for you...
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 		Summary of each, starting with the 3 that have crossed paths with Tavernier
All data from their wikipedia pages

* Koh-i-Noor: 105 carats, finest white/aka colorless
Origins in India
Tavernier wrote of it.
Currently in British Crown Jewels
* Florentine Diamond: 137 carats, yellow
Origins in Europe
Tavernier wrote of it.
Placed in the Habsburg Crown Jewels, stolen in 1918, taken to South America, and is now missing.
* Tavernier Blue: 112 carats, blue
Origins in India
Tavernier sold to French royalty.
As part of the French Crown Jewels, was stolen in 1792, cut into the Hope Diamond & smaller diamonds.
The Blue Diamond Stickpin of the Russian Federation may be part of the original Tavernier Blue.
* Briolette of India: 90 carats, finest white/aka colorless
Origins in India
Acquired by English Royalty, lost, reappeared in 1950, currently believed to be in Europe
* Spoonmaker's Diamond: 86 carat
Origin Istanbul
Taken to France
Stolen and returned to Istanbul
* Dresden Green: 41 carats, green
Origin probably Indian
Was on display in Dresden, Germany, then in the Smithsonian, now back in Dresden.
* Star of the South: 128 carats, pinkish-brown
Origin in Brazil
Now owned by Cartier
* Jacob Diamond: 184 carats, colorless
Origin in African Mine
Now owned by Govt. of India
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 		data from cahill web:
I Like Useless Facts - Famous Diamonds
Hope Diamond aka Tavernier Blue was sold by Tavernier to King Louis XIV of France. It was "cursed." Diamond sits safely in the Smithsonian, but that's probably a fake.
The Koh-i-noor was sketched and written about by Tavernier, "cursed," and now in the Tower of London.
Dresden Green - an Indian gem now on display in Dresden, Germany (photo is of Dresden Green)
Florentine Diamond also passed through the hands of Tavernier, but went missing after WWI.

The Truth is Out There - Curse of the Hope Diamond
The Hope Diamond is cursed, or the Cahill family is backstabbing each other to get it back? Your guess is as good as mine.
Lots of detail, starting with the Hope diamond was stolen from the forehead of a Hindu idol. The preist was tortured.
Ending with James Todd, the mailman who delivered the Hope to the Smithsonian, had lots of bad luck.

Key people seem to be the French Royalty (Louis XVI & Marie Antoinette), British banking family (Henry Philip Hope & Henry Thomas Hope), and American newspaper tycoon (Evalyn Walsh McLean) and they are all Cahills.

I Like Useless Facts - Koh-i-noor
This diamond is also cursed.
The diamond in the Tower of London is also a replica.

I Like Useless Facts - Order of the Golden Fleece
The knights of the Order may have been protecting the French Blue aka Tavernier Blue, because it held a secret.
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 		Bluedawg had this all figured out back in January.
bluedawg wrote:
Taken from : http://www.the39clues.com/cahillweb/article/i-like-useless-facts-order-of-the-golden-fleece

Order of the Golden Fleece

The Order of the Golden Fleece is a chivalric order founded in 1430 by Duke Philip III of Burgundy. At that time, Philip had the grandest court in Europe. Which meant he had the BEST art and the SHINIEST bling! Philip started the Order so he could give titles and honors to powerful nobles throughout his kingdom and ensure their loyalty.

At first, the Order was limited to Philip's twenty-four most trusted advisers. Over the years, the distinguished honor was given to many more, including Henry VIII of England, Philip II of Spain, and Louis XIV of France. Louis XIV was so proud of being in the Order of the Golden Fleece that he had one of his crown jewels, the French Blue Diamond, set in a pendent he created for the Order. The French Blue was later renamed the Hope Diamond. I heard that Louis used the knights of the Order of the Golden Fleece to protect the diamond. There was something really special about it. I think it hid some sort of secret.

In 1700, the Order was divided into the Austrian Order and the Spanish Order following the split in the Hapsburg royal family. Some say the Austrians didn't want to be a part of the Order because it was becoming a secret spy organization. No one is sure when exactly, but sometime in the 1600s, a powerful dynasty took control of the Order and began to use it for themselves.

Here is another website on the Order of the Golden Fleece
http://www.antiquesatoz.com/sgfleece/index.htm

Back to Diamonds …

From Gemstones: http://famousdiamonds.tripod.com/hopediamond.html

The 45.52 carat steel blue Hope Diamond was found in India back in remote times as a rough crystal weighing 112 carats. It first came to light when Jean Baptiste Tavernier, the noted French traveler of the 17th century, was approached in India by a slave who had a very secretive manner about him.

The legends of the ill-fortune following the possessor of the Hope Diamond are many. From the start Louis XIV, for whom Louisiana was named by La Salle, who claimed the lower Mississippi in his name, (and was killed by his own men) had ill-fortune follow him, perhaps deservedly. Other wearers of the jewel at the Court of France might well have given credence to the legendary curse. Princess de Lamballie, and Marie Antoinette whole followed, both were guillotined during the French Revolution.

The diamond disappeared, and for many years it was not heard from at all, but in 1830, a large steel blue diamond of a different shape, and weighing only 44.50 carats appeared on the market in England was purchased by Henry Thomas Hope, an English banker. It was later inherited by a descendant, Lord Francis Pelham Clinton Hope. His wife, formerly a prominent American actress, May Yohe, and a stage star at the beginning of the 20th century, ran away with another man. She died in Boston, Mass., in 1913, practically penniless and forgotten.

*In 1749 Louis XV had the diamond, now known as the French Blue, set into a piece of ceremonial jewelry for the Order of the Golden Fleece, which also featured a large white diamond and a red spinel, and was only worn by the king. During the reign of King Louis XVI and Queen Marie Antoinette the French Revolution erupted, and sometime between September 11th and September 17th, 1792, the royal treasury was looted and the Crown Jewels, including the French Blue, disappeared.

Other interesting facts …

The Hope Diamond served as the model for the lost jewel in the movie Titanic and has a history dating back to the 17th century.

It is classified as a type IIb diamond, which are semi-conductive and usually phosphoric. The Hope Diamond phosphoresces a strong red color that lasts for several minutes after exposure to short wave ultra-violet light and the diamond's blue coloration is attributed to trace amounts of boron in the stone.

Taken from a Smithsonian search: Smithsonian search for hope diamond.
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This next info involves Agent: Lilya Chernova -- Card #24.
No surprises that Lilya is an Ekat.
Notice the necklace she wears around her neck and her comments.

http://www.the39clues.com/mycards#page=1/cardID=24
http://www.the39clues.com/cahillweb/article/24-lilya-chernova
http://www.the39clues.com/cahillweb/article/Fashion-and-Fractions

The Dresden Green diamond looks more to me like the gem that Lilya is wearing –

*note: … "a scientific explanation for the phenomenom of green diamonds is needed. The green color is usually caused by the crystal's coming into contact with a radioactive source at some point during its lifetime, and in geological terms, this is measured in millions of years. The most common form of irradiation diamonds chance into is through bombardment by alpha particles which are present in uranium compounds or percolating groundwater." (taken from second paragraph)

Neither George I nor Frederick Augustus I purchased the green diamond; instead it was the latter's son, Frederick Augustus II (1733-1763) who became its first royal owner. He bought the Dresden Green from a Dutch merchant named Delles, at the Leipzig Fair in 1741. Various figures are given for the purchase price but the most interesting was found in a letter to Frederick the Great, King of Prussia (1712-1786), which states that "For the siege of Brünn, the King of Poland was asked for heavy artillery."

On orders of Frederick Augustus II, the court jeweler, Dinglinger, set the diamond in the Decoration of the Golden Fleece, but this setting lasted for only four years and was broken up in 1746. The king then commissioned the goldsmith Pallard in Vienna, to design another Golden Fleece incorporating both the Dresden Green and the Dresden White, a cushion-shaped diamond weighing 49.71 carats.

In 1806 Saxony became a kingdom and the royal line continued until 1918 when the last king abdicated. The contents of the Green Vault remained on display to the public until the beginning of World War II. In 1942 they were removed again to Königstein, thus escaping the shattering air raid by the Allied Forces on the night of February 13th, 1945 which devasted Dresden. Later that same year the Soviet Trophies Commission, which had made its headquarters in Pillnitz Castle near the center of the ruined city, took the contents of the Green Vault to Moscow, the Crown jewels being among the first items to travel there. They were returned in 1958.

http://famousdiamonds.tripod.com/dresdengreendiamond.html

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Then as previously mentioned The Imposters Card # 14 also ties in with the jewels. http://www.the39clues.com/mycards#page=1/cardID=14

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=590795#590795
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 		relevant cards

Card # 14 - Imposters

"What is known is that Cagliostro (Janus Agent) had a serious interest in the French Crown Jewels"

Card # 24 - Lilya Chernova

"Her parents, Vera and Vladimir, are high-ranking members of the Ekaterina Leadership... And she just can't keep her hands out of her mother's HIGHLY guarded jewelry collection."

"Tash2737: omg... did u c Vicky staring at u?

SparklyLilya: She's sooo jealous of my necklace!

Tash2737: I can't believe u wore it out last nite.

SparklyLilya: My mom will kill me if she finds out I took it."

Card # 35 - Hope Diamond

"The raid was a great success. We seized most of the French Crown Jewels, including the diamond the Tomas have been hiding from us for centuries. I made the necessary alterations. The important piece will remain in Russia. If we are careful, we can ensure that those Tomas brutes never regain their Clue. Katherine would be proud. Your obedient servant, Dimitri Makarov

sketches of "original" (Tavernier Blue), "the Diversion" (Hope Diamond), "The Real Treasure"

Card # 37 - Jean-Baptiste Tavernier

sketches of the Florentine diamond and the "Tavernier" diamond.

Card # 55 - Order of the Golden Fleece
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 		Aren't you taking this a little to far with all the research? all you need to know is that most likely the next mission is about the diamond.
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Have:Pack1:A lot
Pack2:81,83,84,87-89,96-98,102-104,112-114,117-119,121-127,132,133,135,136,142
Pack3:157,167,172,173,177,184,194,199
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soccerbeast wrote:
Aren't you taking this a little to far with all the research? all you need to know is that most likely the next mission is about the diamond.


Don't begrudge them their obsessive fun. (It keeps them from finding anything else!)
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Wind Lane wrote:
soccerbeast wrote:
Aren't you taking this a little to far with all the research? all you need to know is that most likely the next mission is about the diamond.


Don't begrudge them their obsessive fun. (It keeps them from finding anything else!)


Its not obsessive. Its sometimes just a way to relax and do some "real life" clue hunting. We should be thanking our dedicated researchers for their time and effort (even though some of their theories are a bit far-fetched). Laughing

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 		I'm an Ekat. But I was also chosen as a Lucian. Well, since this clue is an Ekat Clue, I'll give you Lucians a hint:
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
We are finding a diamond around India


Wink

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parth2024 wrote:
I'm an Ekat. But I was also chosen as a Lucian. Well, since this clue is an Ekat Clue, I'll give you Lucians a hint:
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
We are finding a diamond around India


I can back up parth on this, I got the email to
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parth2024 wrote:
I'm an Ekat. But I was also chosen as a Lucian. Well, since this clue is an Ekat Clue, I'll give you Lucians a hint:
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
We are finding a diamond around India


Wink


We Ekats seem to be infiltrating a lot to things, such as this thread. Very Happy
Since you live in India, why dont you look for the diamond? You could become the most powerful Cahill....

P.S: Arent you supposed to be the "Under-cover Ekat agent working as a common school student." and "Leader of Indian Ekat stronghold"

P.S.S: Congratulations to parth2024 on your "recent" promotion.

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 		Do we actually have an Indian base???
And if parth is the Indian cheif, does that make me the England chief???
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BEDOMII wrote:
Do we actually have an Indian base???
And if parth is the Indian cheif, does that make me the England chief???


Yep, youre the Head of The Ekaterinas in England, Laughing unless you have competition. You get to handle all the money and the agents to infiltrate your school to get the exam answers. Why not? Its all for a good cause.....

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Ekatprof wrote:
BEDOMII wrote:
Do we actually have an Indian base???
And if parth is the Indian cheif, does that make me the England chief???


Yep, youre the Head of The Ekaterinas in England, Laughing unless you have competition. You get to handle all the money and the agents to infiltrate your school to get the exam answers. Why not? Its all for a good cause.....

here's the ekat head in brazil Laughing

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