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Character Speculation: Tim
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StarlitVixen
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Xicon wrote:

@Mr_Magpie: I'm still not certain that the masks are TTA; in fact, I'm not sure who TTA is at all. I don't think we have enough information to determine that as of yet.

But, if we were to assume that the masks are TTA (which I think is what the latest entry and tweets are leading us toward), then I think they serve the same purpose as Tim's initial purpose: getting people off the trail. The videos essentially say things like "you just don't get it"; I don't think it's much of a stretch to add, "so stop trying" on the end of that. They are essentially sewing seeds of doubt; Alex can't be trusted, you are being watched, you aren't looking in the right places, you're missing the point... etc.

They want Jay to begin to doubt himself and to lose his resolve so he will leave the Operator situation alone.

You're forgetting the name of the group.
To The Ark.
They are trying to get to the ark. Remember that one video that said, "You will lead me to the ark"? I think Jay has something to do with their plans and are protecting their assets, so to speak.

This would all make much more sense if we had a clue as to what the ark is.

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:40 pm

Mr_Magpie
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Xicon wrote:

Sorry, but I just don't buy that interpretation of TTA's videos. The messages in his videos (when there are sensible messages to be ascertained) have been things like 'wake up', 'who are you', 'awaiting your arrival', 'do you know who I am', 'doors unopened', 'signs everywhere', and, of course 'you're being an idiot falling asleep in the back of your car but that's okay because I'll watch over you while you're unconscious and vulnerable <3'.

It seems much more likely to me that TTA is expecting Jay to do or realize or remember something, not that he's been trying to scare him away with creepy videos for over two years now. That seems more like Tim's MO (Warning, Entry ######, enttry #37)

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:50 pm

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Mr_Magpie wrote:

Xicon wrote:

I agree; I don't buy it either, which is why I don't think that Tim and Hoody are TTA or affiliated with TTA.

@StarlitVixen: Same as above.

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:52 pm

StarlitVixen
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Xicon wrote:

I agree; I don't buy it either, which is why I don't think that Tim and Hoody are TTA or affiliated with TTA.

@StarlitVixen: Same as above.

Why wouldn't you?
I don't see any supporting theories that would say they aren't TTA.
I'd love to hear them though.

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:55 pm

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StarlitVixen wrote:

Xicon wrote:

I agree; I don't buy it either, which is why I don't think that Tim and Hoody are TTA or affiliated with TTA.

@StarlitVixen: Same as above.

Why wouldn't you?
I don't see any supporting theories that would say they aren't TTA.
I'd love to hear them though.

I think Entry #13/Exit and Entry #39/Forecast almost require that Hoody and Tim be directly involved in TTA - or at the least that Hoody himself was a member of the original MH cast.

_Brian.

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:58 pm

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StarlitVixen wrote:

Xicon wrote:

I agree; I don't buy it either, which is why I don't think that Tim and Hoody are TTA or affiliated with TTA.

@StarlitVixen: Same as above.

Why wouldn't you?
I don't see any supporting theories that would say they aren't TTA.
I'd love to hear them though.

Mostly because their MOs seem to vary so greatly, and if my thoughts on Tim's motivations are correct, he certainly can't be TTA, and wouldn't affiliate himself with TTA/a member of it.

There is the possibility that Tim's motivations have since changed, however, but we have nothing to indicate that at the moment; he is still operating (lol) as he always has been, albeit with the aid of Hoody. I won't discount the possibility that Hoody was the original TTA from Season One, and something has made Tim's motivations change and he is now allied with Hoody, and thus a TTA member.

The only thing that I could imagine changing Tim's motive and goals (based on current information) would be the Ark; based on current theories and information, I would assume that the Ark has some sort of ability or mechanism to oppose/eliminate The Operator, which would certainly align with Tim's previous goals.

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:02 pm

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Xicon wrote:

StarlitVixen wrote:

Xicon wrote:

I agree; I don't buy it either, which is why I don't think that Tim and Hoody are TTA or affiliated with TTA.

@StarlitVixen: Same as above.

Why wouldn't you?
I don't see any supporting theories that would say they aren't TTA.
I'd love to hear them though.

But these are theories. Do you have any supporting videos or pictures or anything to back up what you're saying as plausible in game? You're assuming Tim's motives from the videos, yes, but all signs point to him being a part of TTA (as Mr_Magpie pointed out). If you could find something that puts TiMasky out of TTA that'd be something...

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:05 pm

Riovas
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My problem with Tim being part of TTA is from entry 45 and the Return video. From 45 it seems Tim is afraid of TO, and runs away when he comes near. If he and the other masks are trying to hide from TO, then how did they get the footage from Return? Unless Hoody or someone else from TTA is taking a chance being around slendy...

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:06 pm

StarlitVixen
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Riovas wrote:

Simple. Leave a camera somewhere.
They don't have to be present to record something.
They could easily come back and retrieve the video after the Operator is gone.

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:08 pm

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StarlitVixen wrote:

I completely understand that they are theories, and I'll admit that there isn't any concrete evidence to exclude Tim from TTA during season one other than supposition. There just seems to be a disconnect between the way Tim acts (attacking Jay) and what TTA seems to want ("And you will lead me").

Another thing: why the secrecy? If the Ark is some thing that will eliminate the Operator (or at least is something that those who oppose it desire), wouldn't Jay be fully supportive?

It just seems that Tim's goals and TTA's goals differ, at least during Season One.

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:12 pm

Mr_Magpie
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Riovas wrote:

Can someone prove to me that the Operator was actually physically present at the end of Entry #45? We have seen video tearing and voice distortion in Entries where (as far as we know) the Operator was nowhere to be seen.

Furthermore, if the Operator had been close enough for Hoody and Tim (and the third Masky on the grassy knoll) to notice him simultaneously and go running, one would think Alex would have noticed him as well. Even if Alex and the Operator had come to some sort of arrangement (which I find highly speculative at this point) I still don't think Alex would have felt at ease enough to shout after the fleeing Maskies. It seems far more likely that he had no idea why they had run and a mix of adrenaline, confusion, and anger was what caused him to start making threats.

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:13 pm

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Xicon wrote:

StarlitVixen wrote:

Yes, of course. ^^ We're all entitled to theories, it just that I'm trying to figure out how you see it through the videos.

True. I can definitely see if they showed that the ark would subdue/defeat the Operator, Jay would be on board.

But what if TTA really is selfish? That's the thing. What if the ark will control the Operator? Or they are destroying him and the Operator is just trying to warn people (this is a theory from another thread, the SPEC one about the Operator, I think)? TiMasky is definitely an anti-hero or villain from the way he acts, I can agree on that.

Mr_Magpie wrote:

That's the thing. We don't get any recorded visual evidence of him being there. We do, however, get a clip from Entry #40. Someone screenshot both moments and their were eerily similar to the point where I'm willing to say they are the same. What is an indication could be the signature distortion of our slender friend.

There have been moments before where the MH crew was blind to the Operator. For example, Entry #17.
And in Return... Jay had the circle around his eyes... and he looked up at the Operator... Both Hoody and Masky have circles around their eyes on their masks... Maybe that is significant?

(X) crossing out the circle = seeing the Operator and becoming lost to the Operator.
Maybe ( ) means seeing the truth/the Operator clearly?

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:18 pm

Sleight
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I address the same issue of the Return in my last post in #45 (on page 45 no less). It speaks to a plausible unifying theory of why Tim acts like he does. At least with regard to onscreen time.

For sake of not reposting PLEASE scroll down to my post at the following link so I don't have to ctrl+v ctrl+p and kill e-trees.

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=873960#873960

Cheers

EDIT: People are too lazy to click a link and move their mousewheel.

Sleight wrote:

I don't understand why everyone feels that footage of TO = working with TO. Alex and Jay both have plenty of footage of him just by filming themselves. If TTA are working against him, if they are the anti-TO most people think, why is it hard to believe they would ACTIVELY seek out TO to film as needed?

We know that TO-affiliated people can lose time, that's why Alex started recording himself (and Jay). The consensus seems to hinge on the idea that TTA know how TO works. So why couldn't they know exactly how to find TO, how to video tape him, how to draw him out, etc...?

45 seems to be a scare tactic against Alex. Tim had a rock, he clearly just was intimidating, because his buddy could have easily held Alex down while Tim bashed his face in, if he wanted. They wanted to send a message, so obviously they don't want to go toe to toe with TO if it isn't necessary.

Besides, why does everyone think TTA wants Jay to take them to the Ark? It's Alex's footage that started this, but he refused to keep going. Why couldn't it be that Tim, Brian, and Seth got involved in MH WITH THE INTENT to suck Alex in and get him to find the Ark?

All their messages could be aimed at getting Jay to reel Alex in. They jump Alex in the forest and tell him the game is over, that its time to find the Ark. Think about the house from the first episode of season 2. Tim didn't show himself until Alex was there. Think about Alex's behavior from the first episode. He said he was "done with all of it." What about the scene in the woods now in 45? They tell him that they are going to come for him. He screams that he will kill them if they do. He is sick of them trying to get something from him.

Doesn't that sound like something you'd say if three guys you were working with kept sucking you in to this crazy plot to overthrow TO and running your life?

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:24 pm
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StarlitVixen
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Sleight wrote:

I address the same issue of return in my last post in #45 (on page 45 no less).

For sake of not reposting PLEASE scroll down to my post at the following link so I don't have to ctrl+v ctrl+p and kill e-trees.

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=873960#873960

Cheers

Much easier for all of us if you just quote...

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:26 pm

Mr_Magpie
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StarlitVixen wrote:

[/qThat's the thing. We don't get any recorded visual evidence of him being there. We do, however, get a clip from Entry #40. Someone screenshot both moments and their were eerily similar to the point where I'm willing to say they are the same. What is an indication could be the signature distortion of our slender friend.

There have been moments before where the MH crew was blind to the Operator. For example, Entry #17.

It's true, there absolutely have been moments where either Alex or Jay have not realized the Operator (or something) has been in the room with them. However, I don't think it is very likely that we would have the Operator being close enough to alert Alex's Masked Attackers to his presence while Alex himself remains oblivious. He even glances back behind him in the same direction Tim and Hoody had looked right before they run. There isn't any indication that he sees anything.

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And in Return... Jay had the circle around his eyes... and he looked up at the Operator... Both Hoody and Masky have circles around their eyes on their masks... Maybe that is significant?

Return is just... a very confusing TTA video in general. It's my personal opinion that TTA was distracting the Operator from Jay by manning the camera... but Return directly follows Entry #19, which means that, as far as we can tell, it was actually Tim who led Jay from his apartment back to (what appears to be) the hallway in Brian's house. Throughout all of Season One TTA seemed to emphasize Jay needing to go to Brian's house. But why? What about Jay being in Brian's house finally caused the Operator to return ( Cool

) after a three year long absence? It's not as if Jay hadn't been investigating the tapes and generally bumbling about long before that point, yet TTA seems to have specifically set up this series of events knowing that the Operator would appear.

It certainly doesn't make any sense that now, in Entry #45, they would suddenly be frightened of the Operator.

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:28 pm

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