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Kraehtot
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Jingleman wrote:

Zarggg wrote:

Back to numbers, guys. Razz

Would it be beneficial to split off the decoding process into its own thread? For the moment, I guess it's fine to wade through both the numbers and the more general "Surveillance" discussion together, but if more information keeps coming from different sources, like the tweeted numbers did, then would it be simpler to have the decoding stuff in its own central location? For that matter, do we have a "puzzles in progress" thread around here somewhere? Is this the first time we've had a code or puzzle released in stages over time?

I think it is a great idea. It would be beneficial because things won't be so messy! Smile

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Code:

13 24 35 46 57 68 79 83 95 03 15 27 39
an bo cp dq er fs gt hu iv jw kx ly mz

Timman Rescue!

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:09 pm

ThinSuit
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The Ultimate TTA Cypher
keep the twitter thread clean

THE NUMBERS WHAT DO THEY MEAN

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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:19 pm

Mehetabel
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This post is reserved for me to pull out all the crap we've already tried from the other thread, so it'll be on the first page here, instead of needing to wade through 40-odd pages of crap for it. I'm now up to page 55, but I'm taking a break now, before my brain explodes.

Code:

A: 79758327727224
83756813832779
B: 688357682483
797983577557
C: 9513390313793583953179

Reversed, in pairs:

Code:

A: 42 27 27 72 38 57 97
97 72 38 31 86 57 38

B: 38 42 86 75 38 86
75 57 75 38 97 97

It's not decimal to ASCII, but it is decimal. All digits 0-9 are accounted for, and there are no extra characters.
It's probably not Hex, since it lacks any symbols beyond 9.
It's not Octal, because it's got numbers higher than 7.
It's also not Decimal to Octal to ASCII, because that yields crap.
"Throwing this out there for anyone else still trying to decode the last segment at the end, don't know if it's relevant or not. The tones played form a perfect 5th interval." --MC_Loki (According to ydna: "those notes are B0, F0, B1.")
The Greek numeric converter can't handle numbers the length we're dealing with, and gives an error in Greek, which is not actually a result.
" Also, has anybody tried leters that could be flipped and make the same or a different letter? Like A, X, V, W, any of those?"--Me168
The 2s and 5s do not result in Morse Code, nor do the negative and positive differences between digits in a pair.
There are not enough videos for the number pairs to refer to whole words, as the titles of the TTA videos previous or subsequent to the MH entries with those numbers.
If it's a Playfair, it uses only nine letters in its pairs, and the keyword isn't OPERATOR.
Troy says it's not the wonky QWERTY solution further down this page.
It is extremely unlikely that this is a Nihilist Cipher.

DemanusFlint wrote:

some observations that i think should be indisputable, especially assuming that the tweets are meant to put us on the right path rather than mislead:

there are three currently unsolved texts related to Surveillance, all of which follow the rules below:
texts A and B were presented in the video, while C was given in a tweet. C may therefore be originally intended (a key to a cipher, an additional part of the message) or not (further text intended to make solving the puzzle easier).
each symbol consists of one two-digit number.
so far, there are 14 unique symbols: 03, 13, 24, 27, 31, 35, 39, 57, 68, 72, 75, 79, 83, 95.
some symbols are more common than others:
digits never repeat within a symbol, but may be either ascending or descending.
the second digit is often at a distance of �2 from the first; it is always 2, 3, 4, 5, or 6 away (so that digits are never consecutive). in texts A and B, there was always a relationship of �2 or �5.
the reversal of symbols may be significant, as there are several such pairs present�13/31, 27/72, 57/75.

Addition by line:

Code:

Single:
A: 79758327727224 = 72
83756813832779 = 77
B: 688357682483 =68
797983577557 =79

A: 79 75 83 27 72 72 24 = 432
83 75 68 13 83 27 79 = 428
B: 68 83 57 68 24 83 = 383
79 79 83 57 75 57 = 430

Addition of Horizontal Pairs, vertically, then add the digits, then QWERTY:

Code:

A: OYURAKR (an anagram of YOUR ARK)
B: SOTIKT

Alphabetical: (a=1, b=2...)

Code:

A: GIGEHCBGGBGVD
HCGEFHMHCBGGI
B: FHHCEGFHXHC
GIGIHCEGGEEG

ROT13 Alphabetical:

Code:

A: TVTRUPOTTOTIQ
UPTRSUZUPOTTV

B: SUUPRTSUKUP
TVTVUPRTTRRT

Cyclical Addition to Alphabetical:

Code:

A: 9=I OR R
14=N OR M
B: 14=N OR M
7=G OR T

Modulo of Pairs/26 to Alphabetical:

Code:

79 75 83 27 72 72 24
1 23 5 1 20 20 24
A W E A T T X

83 75 68 13 83 27 79
5 23 16 13 5 1 1
E W P M E A A

68 83 57 68 24 83
16 5 5 16 24 5
P E E P X E

79 79 83 57 75 57
1 1 5 5 23 5
A A E E W E

Paired, added, then alphabetically (Horizontal):

Code:

79 75 83 27 72 72 24
16 12 11 9 9 9 6
P L K I I I F

83 75 68 13 83 27 79
11 12 14 4 11 9 16
K L N D K I P

68 83 57 68 24 83
14 11 12 14 6 11
N K L N F K

79 79 83 57 75 57
16 16 11 12 12 12
P P K L L L

Paired, added, then alphabetically (Vertical):

Code:

79758327727224
83756813832779

78 93 77 55 86 38 21 73 78 23 72 27 27 49
15 14 14 10 14 11 3 10 15 5 9 9 9 13
O N N J N K C J O E I I I M

688357682483
797983577557

67 89 87 39 58 73 65 87 27 45 85 37
13 17 15 12 13 10 11 15 9 9 13 10
M Q O L M J K O I I M J

Plus or Minus in Pairs, to Alphabetical: (79 becomes 7+9 or 7-9)

Code:

79 75 83 27 72 72 24
P/B L/B K/E I/E I/E I/E F/B

83 75 68 13 83 27 79
K/E L/B N/B D/B K/E I/E P/B
---------------------
68 83 57 68 24 83
N/B K/E L/B N/B F/B K/E

79 79 83 57 75 57
P/B P/B K/E L/B L/B L/B

Decimal to ASCII in Pairs

Code:

Forward:
A: O K S ESCAPE H H CANCEL
B: S K D CARRIAGE RETURN S ESCAPE O

Reversed:
A: D S 9 D CANCEL S
B: O O S 9 K 9

GRID: Vertical Pairs: (9x9, horizontal, no keyword)

Code:

78 93 77 55 86 38 21 73 78 23 72 27 27 49
J W I O Q Z J E J L D P P J

67 89 87 39 58 73 65 87 27 45 85 37
Z T R A R E X R P F P Y

GRID: Horizontal Pairs: (9x9, horizontal, no keyword)

Code:

79 75 83 27 72 72 24
K G N P D D M

83 75 68 13 83 27 79
D P A C D P K

68 83 57 68 24 83
A D Q A M D

79 79 83 57 75 57
K K D Q P Q

GRID: Horizontal Pairs (1-100 Alphabetic):[/b] (variations)

Code:

Q M M C M A I E Q E A
95 13 39 03 13 79 35 83 95 31 79

GRID: Horizontal Pairs (11x11 repeating horizontal):

Code:

Forward/Reverse
H/R, M/E, O/N, D/E, B/T, J/A, M/E, H/R, M/E, B/T
95. 13. 39. 03. 79. 35. 83. 95. 31. 79

Hex to ASCII in Pairs:

Code:

A: O K S -- H H --
S K D -- S -- O

B: D S 9 D -- S
O O S 9 K 9

Substitution of Pairs by frequency:

Code:

A: 79 75 83 27 72 72 24
83 75 68 13 83 27 79
B: 68 83 57 68 24 83
79 79 83 57 75 57

A: T A E N C C H
E A O F E N T
B: O E I O H E
T T E I A I

Substitution of Pairs by possible words: (Cryptogram solver)

Code:

FIRST WORD
proceed, awfully, impasse, unhappy, sixteen, mistook, finally, equally, vocally, harpoon, partook, bedroom, morally, ideally, manhood, carpool, recalls, thrills, befalls, forseen, refills, uphills, enrolls

SECOND WORD
inquire, obvious, already, reports, evident, inquiry, implied, imagine, implies, animate, regards, returns, options, inspire, chances, animals, remarks, council, records, tainted, choices, fearful, knocked, chanced, knocker, tighter, invoice, fateful, toasted, reforms, inflict, actuals, impairs, abstain, avocate, tightly, taunted, imprint, tighten, satisfy, rewards, trusted, hatches, heights, twisted

THIRD WORD
people, thatch, proper, indian, asians

FOURTH WORD
oopses

OTP (modulo-add 26) to Substitution:

Code:

guvozvz rgkvvk
amended career

Pythagorean Encryption:

Code:

A: G I G E H C B G G B B D
P R P N A L K P P K K M
Y Y W Z U T Y Y T T V

B: H C G E F H A C H C B G G I
Q L P N O Q J L Q L K P P R
Z U Y W X Z S U Z U T Y Y

GRIDS:
T9:

Code:

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0
- A D G J M P T W -
B E H K N Q U X
C F I L O R V Y
S Z

1-99 Alphabetic:

Code:

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26
27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52
53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78
79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99

9x9, horizontal, no keyword:

Code:

A B C D E F G H I
J K L M N O P Q R
S T U V W X Y Z A
B C D E F G H I J
K L M N O P Q R S
T U V W X Y Z A B
C D E F G H I J K
L M N O P Q R S T
U V W X Y Z _ _ _

9x9 horizontal, repeating, continue on:

Code:

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
1c o n t i u e a b
2d f g h j k l m p
3q r s v w x y z c
4o n t i u e a b d
5f g h j k l m p q
6r s v w x y z c o
7n t i u e a b d f
8g h j k l m p q r
9s v w x y z - - -

9x9 horizontal, single, continue on:

Code:

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
1c o n t i u e a b
2d f g h j k l m p
3q r s v w x y z a
4b c d e f g h i j
5k l m n o p q r s
6t u v w x y z a b
7c d e f g h i j k
8l m n o p q r s t
9u v w x y z - - -

9x9 horizontal, repeating, noeunitnoc:

Code:

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
1n o e u i t c a b
2d f g h j k l m p
3q r s v w x y z n
4o e u i t c a b d
5f g h j k l m p q
6r s v w x y z n o
7e u i t c a b d f
8g h j k l m p q r
9s v w x y z - - -

9x9 horizontal, single, noeunitnoc:

Code:

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
1n o e u i t c a b
2d f g h j k l m p
3q r s v w x y z a
4b c d e f g h i j
5k l m n o p q r s
6t u v w x y z a b
7c d e f g h i j k
8l m n o p q r s t
9u v w x y z - - -

FREQUENCY:
Appearance of Pairs: (A&B only)

Code:

83: 6
79: 4
75: 3
68: 3
57: 3
72: 2
27: 2
24: 2
13: 1

Subtracting in Pairs, Counting the Fives: (A&B only)

Code:

2255552 = 4
5222552 = 3
252225 = 2
225222 = 1

Frequency of Unique Symbols by Difference in Digits:

Code:

�2: 13, 24, 31, 35, 57, 68, 75, 79 (8)
�3: 03 (1)
�4: 95 (1)
�5: 27, 72, 83 (3)
�6: 39 (1)

aarvens wrote:

Take all of the figures used so far, without duplicates (Numerically for continuity):
/03/13/24/27/31/35/39/57/68/72/75/79/83/95/

The relationship between the digits is formative, except with the negatives.
/+3/+2/+2/+5/-2/+2/+6/+2/+2/-5/-3/+2/-5/-4/

But if we flip those to show positive figures, they seem to work.
/+3/+2/+2/+5/+8/+2/+6/+2/+2/+5/+8/+2/+5/+5/

Which leaves us with relationships +3, +2, +5,+6 and +8 for all figures.

POTENTIAL KEYS:
These are words and phrases that have been identified as likely keys, if we already have the key. They will be listed as the full word/phrase, followed by a version with duplicate letters removed.
* The name of any TTA video
* SEES NOW (senow)
* PERMANENCE (permanc)
* continue on (contiue)
* noeunitnoc (noeuitc)
* Jessica (jesica)
* ark

RELEVANT TWEETS:
5:44 PM - 4 Jan 13: Still can't figure out the numbers at the end of the latest ToTheArk video. It's driving me crazy.
12:07 AM - 5 Jan 13: Still working on it. There's an even amount of numbers in each set, and a few number pairs repeat. Maybe a pair corresponds to a letter?
1:24 PM - 5 Jan 13: If a pair equals one letter, there's 26 letters in total. But there's only 9 unique numbers. Could each number have multiple letters?
3:03 PM - 5 Jan 13: Seems unlikely that all 26 letters of the alphabet are used, too. Just need to figure out which ones could be missing...
6:18 PM - 5 Jan 13: Two of the pairs are mirrors and are grouped together twice. 27-72 and 57-75. Not sure what that could mean yet though. Common letters?
2:06 PM - 6 Jan 13: Just noticed a few of these numbers have a pattern. First digit plus two. 13, 24, 57, 68, 79 all follow it.
3:47 PM - 6 Jan 13: Maybe 75 and 72 don't follow the pattern. They're just a mirrored version of the ones that do?
3:51 PM - 6 Jan 13: Sorry, only meant 57 with the previous tweet. 72 doesn't follow that pattern, even when reversed.
3:54 PM - 6 Jan 13: I'm getting confused. Taking a break from this for a few hours. Tim let me know he's working on it too so hopefully he'll get something.
2:53 AM - 7 Jan 13: 9513390313793583953179
12:20 PM - 7 Jan 13: It should go without saying that I'm not the one that did the last tweet.
12:46 PM - 7 Jan 13: If that new string of numbers follows the same rules as the others, it adds a few new pairs to work with.
3:00 PM - 7 Jan 13: 13, 24, 35, 57, 68, 79 all follow the pattern I noticed earlier. 03 doesn't. Could there be a point where the first number starts from zero?
4:52 PM - 7 Jan 13: A couple of number pairs follow another pattern, I think. The second number increases by two. 83-95 and 27-39.
9:57 AM - 9 Jan 13: Still no progress on this code. Tim suggested that there might be an order the numbers are supposed to go in before it can be deciphered.

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:26 pm
Last edited by Mehetabel on Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:01 am; edited 6 times in total

Serum
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SaferSaturnX wrote:

Serum wrote:

No really... you guys see it, too-- right?

Actually, it just reminded me of the "exclusive or" symbol (⊕), which is funny (although unrelated), because the exclusive or function is used to solve the Vernam cipher, which is an early precursor to the cipher we're trying to solve (based on the Q&A video).

I bet we could find the answers in Mister Wagner's desk drawer at the front of the classroom.

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:47 pm

Geneaux486
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Posts: 2423

We're keeping the twitter thread clean of discussion regarding the tweets? Should we also be keeping irrelevant discussion out of the off topic thread?

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:05 pm

Serum
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Geneaux486 wrote:

We're keeping the twitter thread clean of discussion regarding the tweets? Should we also be keeping irrelevant discussion out of the off topic thread?

While we're at it, should we really be putting bacon in ice cream? That's not only disgusting, it's extremely non-kosher.

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:07 pm

MistrPibb
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Posts: 240
Location: Washington State

Geneaux486 wrote:

We're keeping the twitter thread clean of discussion regarding the tweets? Should we also be keeping irrelevant discussion out of the off topic thread?

I agree the Twitter thread should include discussion of tweets, but it becomes harder to find actual discussion on the tweets with everyone spamming possible code solutions and ideas

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:10 pm

Jingleman
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Joined: 29 Aug 2012
Posts: 239
Location: Texas

MistrPibb wrote:

Geneaux486 wrote:

We're keeping the twitter thread clean of discussion regarding the tweets? Should we also be keeping irrelevant discussion out of the off topic thread?

I agree the Twitter thread should include discussion of tweets, but it becomes harder to find actual discussion on the tweets with everyone spamming possible code solutions and ideas

Right, and it's not only the Twitter thread, but also the "Surveillance" thread that can be helped here. This needed a dedicated thread for everyone's convenience, especially if additional pieces continue to roll out in future releases.

Speaking of which, I know nothing about ciphers and decoding this stuff, but it seems probable to me that we don't have enough information yet to solve this thing. If the pairs of numbers represent letters, then we didn't have all the letters we needed as of the video release, because additional, unique pairs of numbers were in the tweet. So, how do we know when we have everything? Do you experts just run all the techniques all over again when we get new pieces until it means something, or is there a way to guess what letters are missing, or what? For that matter, is it possible that what we've got is not the code at all, but rather the key?

Forgive me if those are stupid questions; I'm just trying to follow along as you code-breaking whizzes do your thing.

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:24 pm

Oxide
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Posts: 88

Jingleman wrote:

MistrPibb wrote:

Geneaux486 wrote:

We're keeping the twitter thread clean of discussion regarding the tweets? Should we also be keeping irrelevant discussion out of the off topic thread?

I agree the Twitter thread should include discussion of tweets, but it becomes harder to find actual discussion on the tweets with everyone spamming possible code solutions and ideas

Jay did say that we just need to figure out which letters are missing, but I'm not sure how we do that in this code.

marblehornets wrote:

Seems unlikely that all 26 letters of the alphabet are used, too. Just need to figure out which ones could be missing...

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:04 pm

theKVD
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Joined: 02 Jun 2011
Posts: 61
Location: Midpoint City (Fredericksburg, VA)

Thanks jingleman. Re watching the series with someone new offers great perspective. It's easy to dismiss things like TTA watching from the beginning because of things we know oog but comics have retconned for years. I think it's totally plausible that TTA was watching from the jump.

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:21 pm

karalynnp123
Boot

Joined: 05 Jan 2013
Posts: 12

Why are we arguing over the fact that TTA may or may not have been there from the beginning?

Isn't there footage of someone filming Jay (when they were still filming Marble Hornets: The Film) as he got more tapes from his car? (or am I remembering wrong?) I have just been assuming that hoody (at least) has been around since all of this started (or really close to the beginning).

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:27 pm

kclbm4
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Joined: 05 Jan 2013
Posts: 94

A breakthrough...maybe?
Or just luck again...

So in the Marble Hornets GMX panel, they said they were saving a cipher from Tim's textbook for Season 3 that would be extremely hard (Guess they remembered!). They also hinted it could (maybe) be a transposition cipher... So using this:
http://www.richkni.co.uk/php/crypta/trans0.php

And typing in:

95 13 39 03 13 79 35 83 95 31 79 with 1 column and I forgot what I put for the divisibility (I'll try recreating and reposting) I got "The End 22 (11) with putting them in pairs)"

It makes sense... kinda... or it could just be a giant waste of time.

EDIT: I don't want to waste people's time... but 2 is a recurring number in TTA's cipher this time, so maybe 22 means something?

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:38 pm

Serum
Guest

Are we taking numerology into account, here? Like, the mysticism surrounding numbers, like 13 being an unlucky number, the 23 enigma or the number 4 representing evil spirits in Chinese mythology? Could that sort of mind frame help?

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:05 am

Zarggg
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Joined: 23 Dec 2010
Posts: 1660

Jingleman wrote:

Zarggg wrote:

Back to numbers, guys. Razz

No, please keep the discussion of this particular puzzle confined to this thread. If others come up in the future, they should be in the threads for that particular video.

If a puzzle comes up entirely by Twitter (which I doubt will happen), then I would consider a separate thread for that particular puzzle, but for now it's easier to keep discussion where it has already started.

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:07 am

Djeezna
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Posts: 52

Serum wrote:

Everytime I see that Tim avatar, I know it's a Serum post and I'm about to laugh.

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:09 am

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