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hamatoyoshi
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 		[INFO/OT] Regarding tuna being expensive...
This thought has actually been posted by Urk in a dying thread that's not entirely related, but I think people should stop worrying about looking for expensive tuna restaurants in Atlanta.

People don't seem to understand that this is a bit of a tongue-in-cheek joke. In 500 years after global warming, pollution, and over-fishing, we could think of tuna as being rare or a delicacy.

Sure, we don't know the state of the Earth in 500 years, and the wavs say tuna is farmed, but that doesn't mean there's a lot of it.

So yes, that means tuna can be expensive.

Here are some economic terms you can Google (links provided):

inelastic supply

cartels and collusion

tragedy of the commons

conservation and tuna farming

Hopefully this stops the focus on tuna.

** edited fr label - jamesi

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 		A good modern day example would be the massive decline of Cod stocks in Europe. Over-fishing is seeing the take-away meal of Fish and Chips in Britain having the traditional Cod replaced with substitutes such as Haddock [which itself is becoming rare].



[rant]Of course, tell the damn fishers that they need to stop [with full subsidy]before they destroy those species and they get all arsey. Gits.[/rant]

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ctrlaltdel
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 		Or just the fact that they are not on earth and it's really expensive to ship tuna several light years away.

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ctrlaltdel wrote:
Or just the fact that they are not on earth and it's really expensive to ship tuna several light years away.


ctrlaltdel - you hit it RIGHT on the head - these two people are almost certainly on ANOTHER PLANET; note that the chick's boyfriend helped her brother EMIGRATE from Earth - wherever they are, tuna isn't a native lifeform. Smile

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 		No, three fingered salute, the stories DO take place on Earth.

The Kamal and Sophia stories mention Atlanta, and Buffalo, New York. Since they mention the tuna, well, that means your point doesn't work.

A little trout, meh?
Check here for transcripts of the .wavs.

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edit- EdifyYo, I think they're saying immigrate, which means they're coming to Earth. Besides, if they were on Coral, why would Sophia say she's never going back? And if not Coral, where?

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ctrlaltdel
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chaotic_mind wrote:
No, three fingered salute, the stories DO take place on Earth.
Not necessarily. We can presume Adien is on earth, but there is nothing that places Sophia or Kamal (is there?).
Here are the known facts:
Adien helps people get through earth immigration
Adien got Sophia's brother to where she is.

So it could be Adien is helping people immigrate to Earth.

But Sophia doesn't want to tell her mother about Adien because he is very "earth" as Kamal puts it. Being from earth or being connected to someone from earth is not a good thing. So why doesn't Sophia mother have a problem with two of her children living on earth? Sophia's mother is ok with her and her brother living on earth but she look down on them dating anyone from earth? Could be.

The other possibility is that they are not on earth, and Adien helps people get out of earth. Kamal hasn't seen tuna for a while because he doesn't live on earth.

I can argue on either side for them being on earth or not, but I haven't seen or heard anything that definitely place Sophia and Kamal on earth.

Edit: Thinking more about this, it does not make sense that Adien helps people immigrate into earth from earth. You would not need his help to get into a planet illegally if you were already there and able to get his help. Make sense? So, either Adien lives on earth and helps people get out. Or lives somewhere else and helps people get into earth or goes to earth to help them out. Take your choice, but Adien and Sophia can NOT be on earth AND Adien helps people immigrate INTO earth.

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 		It makes sense to me. After all, coming from a semi-rural town like I do, I can see where that conceptualization "it's okay if they move away to the big city, it's just a phase, but one day they'll settle down with a nice hometown girl and come back to us" if not make sense, at least occur. After all, ctrlaltdel, how do you explain the references to Atlanta and Buffalo, New York?

Besides, why would it be difficult to LEAVE earth. With population exploding, it makes sense that immigration TO Earth would be limited. Possibly limited to professionals only (like Kamal or Sophia), and other need a little "grey market" work to get in.

And, I want to apologize for making fun of your name. I just liked it, that's all, but I wasn't sure if that was clear.

Luke P.

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ctrlaltdel
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chaotic_mind wrote:
And, I want to apologize for making fun of your name. I just liked it, that's all, but I wasn't sure if that was clear.
I didn't think that you were making fun of my name. Well, I edited my post with an after thought so see above. You had already posted by the time I got done with my edit. But Adien can not be helping people into earth from earth. Doesn't make sense.

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chaotic_mind wrote:
It makes sense to me. After all, coming from a semi-rural town like I do, I can see where that conceptualization "it's okay if they move away to the big city, it's just a phase, but one day they'll settle down with a nice hometown girl and come back to us" if not make sense, at least occur. After all, ctrlaltdel, how do you explain the references to Atlanta and Buffalo, New York?

Besides, why would it be difficult to LEAVE earth. With population exploding, it makes sense that immigration TO Earth would be limited. Possibly limited to professionals only (like Kamal or Sophia), and other need a little "grey market" work to get in.

And, I want to apologize for making fun of your name. I just liked it, that's all, but I wasn't sure if that was clear.

Luke P.
it might be aiden's line of work, He is doing black market stuff. also I think it's earth.
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 		OT on OT
Not that this has anything to do with the price of tuna in the future.. Smile
but from the much_lifting.wav
Quote:
Kamal: Coral. Maybe it's just a hard place to be a mother.
Sophia: I'm never going back.

Makes me think that they're on Earth.

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 		Re: OT on OT
drizjr wrote:
Not that this has anything to do with the price of tuna in the future.. Smile
but from the much_lifting.wav
Quote:
Kamal: Coral. Maybe it's just a hard place to be a mother.
Sophia: I'm never going back.

Makes me think that they're on Earth.


Just a thought, may not be relevant. There's been spec that based on the name of the planet, Coral, that it's likely to be primarily aquatic. If both Kamal and Sophia grew up on Coral (since their mothers live there), I can see the possibility that they ate a lot of fish growing up, and might have a strong affinity for it. To some degree, this may increase Kamal's reaction to the tuna, cause he likes fish. Meh.

On a humorous note, it's too bad trout isn't the/a rare fish, cause we've got plenty to supply...

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 		Re: OT on OT
drizjr wrote:
Not that this has anything to do with the price of tuna in the future.. Smile


I like this. This should be this group's official replacement for "what's that got to do with the price of tea in China?" (Or "how is that related to what we're talking about" if you've never heard that phrase.)
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ctrlaltdel wrote:
chaotic_mind wrote:
And, I want to apologize for making fun of your name. I just liked it, that's all, but I wasn't sure if that was clear.
I didn't think that you were making fun of my name. Well, I edited my post with an after thought so see above. You had already posted by the time I got done with my edit. But Adien can not be helping people into earth from earth. Doesn't make sense.


Yes, it does. That's what immigration is. They make sure anyone coming in to that nation (or planet) is OK to come in. Think of it like a ticket taker at a baseball game, if you can't prove that you payed for admission with a ticket, you can't get in.

If you can't prove that you belong in a nation, by showing a passport and having a visa (in todays terms), you can't get in. This is what immigration does.

So using our example, Aiden is letting people into Earth without "taking a ticket."

Brian

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bfos7215 wrote:
If you can't prove that you belong in a nation, by showing a passport and having a visa (in todays terms), you can't get in. This is what immigration does.

So using our example, Aiden is letting people into Earth without "taking a ticket."
They still use visas because Sophia mentions visas. To use your example if you wanted to get in without purchasing a ticket do you find a guy that lets you in without a ticket and bribe him on the spot or do you find a counterfeit ticket thats cheaper? Which is why they make tickets for high priced venues and popular shows so that it's harder to counterfeit. If you need to go to a country without a passport do you look for someone able to counterfeit a passport for you from the place you are leaving or find someone who will just let you in. Sure your suggestion is possible, but just think through each step as if you were trying to leave the country and into another without a passport. Let's say you managed to get out of the US without a passport or a visa for the country you are going to and land in this country. Get off the plane and funneled into immigration with hundreds of other people. Do you see Adien, which line is he working. Fine, maybe he always works the same line. You get there, slip him some money. They better have only one person working each counter per line and spaced so far that his co-workers don't see what's happening. Maybe there's a whole slew of immigration workers who are dirty. Fine you get through. Do you have to go through Customs or a security check who wants to see your passport and/or visa. Just immigration, huh? That was the easiest country to get into.

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ctrlaltdel wrote:
bfos7215 wrote:
If you can't prove that you belong in a nation, by showing a passport and having a visa (in todays terms), you can't get in. This is what immigration does.

So using our example, Aiden is letting people into Earth without "taking a ticket."
They still use visas because Sophia mentions visas. To use your example if you wanted to get in without purchasing a ticket do you find a guy that lets you in without a ticket and bribe him on the spot or do you find a counterfeit ticket thats cheaper? Which is why they make tickets for high priced venues and popular shows so that it's harder to counterfeit. If you need to go to a country without a passport do you look for someone able to counterfeit a passport for you from the place you are leaving or find someone who will just let you in. Sure your suggestion is possible, but just think through each step as if you were trying to leave the country and into another without a passport. Let's say you managed to get out of the US without a passport or a visa for the country you are going to and land in this country. Get off the plane and funneled into immigration with hundreds of other people. Do you see Adien, which line is he working. Fine, maybe he always works the same line. You get there, slip him some money. They better have only one person working each counter per line and spaced so far that his co-workers don't see what's happening. Maybe there's a whole slew of immigration workers who are dirty. Fine you get through. Do you have to go through Customs or a security check who wants to see your passport and/or visa. Just immigration, huh? That was the easiest country to get into.


Yes, the analogy breaks down at some point. It's not possible for us to know how aiden gets people into the country. All we know is that he works for Earth Immigration. I find it highly doubtfull, that Earth has Earth Immigration workers on every single colony in the universe to process anything that is leaving that country destined for Earth. Just like right now, US immigration takes place in the US, when you arrive.

Not to mention, that everything else in the story points to these events taking place on earth. Including, Sophia saying she never wants to go back home where her mom is.

Brian

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