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[SPEC] THE KEY- Turn in the Sleeping Princess....
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Incitatus
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darkranger001 wrote:
I may be a n00b but I just don't get it.. how exactly does getting the SP to go bak into her coffin and or get captured by melissa help? if she was locked away previously to the crash, would that not imply that she was not a part of Melissa's core program in the first place?

NO no no no NO!
She was locked away at her creation, a cloned personality.

She was designed to be asleep, a dormat process, only to be used as refference. She was never intended to be awake, only to remain in a sustained "sleep" inside a "galss coffin" to be used for refference and to serve as the base human mind for the AI.


as I have said many times before...


if you are finding confusion, and are new... I suggest you visit the link in My sig, and take a gander at some of the approved [Spec] and reasources...
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OOC, are there any other known AIs in the Halo universe that seems to have this problem? It seems to me that the SP isn't supposed to be 'dormant', according to what I've heard of 'The Operator' and how she (it, whatever) felt about its/her crew. I think that Durga, the SP, and Melissa were all one entity, but this entity somehow was split into these 3 parts. The Operator seems to mix them all together, and not just call upon one at a time or use one as a reference. Of course, if I'm wrong about the Operator, then this whole SPEC would be wrong.
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Incitatus wrote:
NO no no no NO!
She was locked away at her creation, a cloned personality.

She was designed to be asleep, a dormat process, only to be used as refference. She was never intended to be awake, only to remain in a sustained "sleep" inside a "galss coffin" to be used for refference and to serve as the base human mind for the AI.

Do we have any resources that show multiple smart AIs being created from a single brain?

Incitatus wrote:

as I have said many times before...

if you are finding confusion, and are new... I suggest you visit the link in My sig, and take a gander at some of the approved [Spec] and reasources...

It is wonderful that you have created the official beekeepers forum (group 2018) on bungie.net where we can all go to read the approved spec. Why, I had no idea that I had been reading dangerous, unapproved spec that could not possibly have any basis in reason. It is especially comforting to know that is the true home of the beekeepers, founded on 26 September 2004. Strange that I thought the name was coined here over two months earlier.

Of course I should probably avoid the resource page that has been set up by some of the players here. Players who have been playing ARGs for years. Instead I should go to the bungie group that you have set up and created all the news posts and links yourself (including links to tools developed by people on these boards). Of course, I have no problem having to sign up just to see what kind of discussion goes on in the forums.
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Please stop shouting your spec at us ("NO NO NO NO" followed by reiterating your spec has been used in several of your posts).
Please stop presenting your spec as fact, approved or the only way to interpret events (it may indeed turn out that SP does need to be reintegrated back into Melissa, but the PMs will provide a proper time for it).
Please stop advertising your alternate forums (where it appears that you run everything).

Please continue to post good, informative spec that demonstrates the knowledge and ideas that you can bring to the group (whilst backing it up with evidence that we do not have to sign up on another board just to look at it).
Please continue to enjoy the game (whilst not trying to force other players to play the game from a [meta] perspective).

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Well put, bcriswell.
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I was going to edit my post to include that, but I guess I don't need to now.
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bcriswell wrote:
Incitatus wrote:
NO no no no NO!
She was locked away at her creation, a cloned personality.

She was designed to be asleep, a dormat process, only to be used as refference. She was never intended to be awake, only to remain in a sustained "sleep" inside a "galss coffin" to be used for refference and to serve as the base human mind for the AI.

Do we have any resources that show multiple smart AIs being created from a single brain?

Incitatus wrote:

as I have said many times before...

if you are finding confusion, and are new... I suggest you visit the link in My sig, and take a gander at some of the approved [Spec] and reasources...

It is wonderful that you have created the official beekeepers forum (group 2018) on bungie.net where we can all go to read the approved spec. Why, I had no idea that I had been reading dangerous, unapproved spec that could not possibly have any basis in reason. It is especially comforting to know that is the true home of the beekeepers, founded on 26 September 2004. Strange that I thought the name was coined here over two months earlier.

Of course I should probably avoid the resource page that has been set up by some of the players here. Players who have been playing ARGs for years. Instead I should go to the bungie group that you have set up and created all the news posts and links yourself (including links to tools developed by people on these boards). Of course, I have no problem having to sign up just to see what kind of discussion goes on in the forums.
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Please stop shouting your spec at us ("NO NO NO NO" followed by reiterating your spec has been used in several of your posts).
Please stop presenting your spec as fact, approved or the only way to interpret events (it may indeed turn out that SP does need to be reintegrated back into Melissa, but the PMs will provide a proper time for it).
Please stop advertising your alternate forums (where it appears that you run everything).

Please continue to post good, informative spec that demonstrates the knowledge and ideas that you can bring to the group (whilst backing it up with evidence that we do not have to sign up on another board just to look at it).
Please continue to enjoy the game (whilst not trying to force other players to play the game from a [meta] perspective).


My appologies for being so rudly assertive.

I find my theories most possible due to the amount of evidence that dirrectly supports them. And in light of your presented perception, I will be... rewording the "approved theories" part as Official theories from SuperMega/Incitatus.

I calim the chapter as the official chapter because no one has claimed responsibility for ILB, and since the chapter is being run by the participants for the participants, I descided to call it official. and the reasources available at "The BeeKeepers" are open to all, participation in the forum is the only thing which requires/results in membership joining.
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It's a bit presumptuous to call your own theories "official". Unless your theory is backed in writing by an acknowledged PM of this game (and since there aren't any, and most assuredly won't be until after the game is over) it's more than a little arrogant to label any kind of speculation as "official". After all, "official speculation" is something of an oxymoron, no?

I think rather than "approved theories", or "official theories", you should perhaps more correctly refer to them as "your theories". Wink
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Nova wrote:
It's a bit presumptuous to call your own theories "official". Unless your theory is backed in writing by an acknowledged PM of this game (and since there aren't any, and most assuredly won't be until after the game is over) it's more than a little arrogant to label any kind of speculation as "official". After all, "official speculation" is something of an oxymoron, no?

I think rather than "approved theories", or "official theories", you should perhaps more correctly refer to them as "your theories". Wink


Official from our team... how is this arrogant?

SuperMega/Incitatus is amung (if not) the leading ILB theorist group at bungie.net
Many of our theories are widly accepted and aclaimed by even some Bungie employees. So is it so arrogant to label our theories official word from us?
Mabey you are just taking it in the wrong context.
If so, no worries.
's'allgood. Smile

I think i will still stick with "Official SM/I theories" to avoid further confussion. Wink
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Hate to throw a wrench in "Official" Spec...

Still Major Problem with this Spec....

SP was not captured until Friday AFTER the first live calls. That is the day that the 404 page changed. Therefore, whether weephun or dragonrider was first is immaterial.

Sorry, but your premise is seriously flawed.

You may all return to your previous Speculation....
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Incitatus, I think you believe yourself to be a little more important then you really are... I don't mean to be rude, but you seem to really think a lot of yourself, except most of the stuff you've said on this forum has long since been brought out by me several weeks back, and all you've done is add on the evidence that has stacked up over the past few weeks after I long since stopped fighting for the theory, as there was really very few people to fight against.

to wit.

I'm not trying to steal your thunder, but you seem to be trying to build yourself up, when other people have come to the same conclusions, not just separately from you, but weeks before you...

Just trying and tone down the arrogance, once again I'm really trying to sound rude, its just late and I'm having trouble finding a new way to word this stuff...

edit: I wish I could spell...
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AlexofMaceidon wrote:
once again I'm really trying to sound rude

Heh...it is late, isn't it?
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AlexofMaceidon wrote:
Incitatus, I think you believe yourself to be a little more important then you really are... I don't mean to be rude, but you seem to really think a lot of yourself, except most of the stuff you've said on this forum has long since been brought out by me several weeks back, and all you've done is add on the evidence that has stacked up over the past few weeks after I long since stopped fighting for the theory, as there was really very few people to fight against.

to wit.

I'm not trying to steal your thunder, but you seem to be trying to build yourself up, when other people have come to the same conclusions, not just separately from you, but weeks before you...

Just trying and tone down the arrogance, once again I'm really trying to sound rude, its just late and I'm having trouble finding a new way to word this stuff...

edit: I wish I could spell...


Your assuming of course that I only reccently came up with this theory...
Truth being I only reccently came to this board.
Back at bungie i presented this idea long long before the first live calls.
I got the idea... going back to check the date on the conversation....
9/24/2004 is the date I came up with the idea... ran it by SuperMega and posted it on bungie.net

Now I didn't mean to sound all high and mighty, if i have come off that way, my appologies.
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Incitatus wrote:


SuperMega/Incitatus is among (if not) the leading ILB theorist group at bungie.net


Yes, we know... You preface EVERYTHING you say with that.

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Many of our theories are widely accepted and acclaimed by even some Bungie employees.


I'm happy that you've had some ideas that have panned out. And I'm happy that people you respect like your ideas. I really am, and I do mean that. BUT...

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So is it so arrogant to label our theories official word from us?


Only when you order people to "STOP RIGHT THERE" and yell "No, no, no!" when somebody comes up with something that doesn't agree with your "official spec".

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Maybe you are just taking it in the wrong context.
If so, no worries.
's'allgood. Smile


Or maybe you're just coming off as a pompous ass.

If you're here to contribute, great... I'm glad, but you need to work on your delivery.

If you're here to play King of the Geeks, then I think you're in the wrong place.

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I think i will still stick with "Official SM/I theories" to avoid further confusion. Wink


That sounds reasonable.
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I believe a possible way to integrate the Sp and melissa is for the Sleeping princess to "kiss the frog" or let the pious flea !grope or !attach her. I believe this will allow the fea to integrate the two parts and himself into an established whole. He even said as much when trying to convince the Princess. Of course we should only encourage this if we have proof of the pious flea not being a covenant agent or against the human race. There is still not enough information for us to determine his motives at this time. We should keep this theory in mind and watch the fleas actions in the weeks to come to see if we get enough proof to determine his intentions.
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HitsHerMark wrote:
Incitatus wrote:


SuperMega/Incitatus is among (if not) the leading ILB theorist group at bungie.net


Yes, we know... You preface EVERYTHING you say with that.

Quote:

Many of our theories are widely accepted and acclaimed by even some Bungie employees.


I'm happy that you've had some ideas that have panned out. And I'm happy that people you respect like your ideas. I really am, and I do mean that. BUT...

Quote:
So is it so arrogant to label our theories official word from us?


Only when you order people to "STOP RIGHT THERE" and yell "No, no, no!" when somebody comes up with something that doesn't agree with your "official spec".

Quote:

Maybe you are just taking it in the wrong context.
If so, no worries.
's'allgood. Smile


Or maybe you're just coming off as a pompous ass.

If you're here to contribute, great... I'm glad, but you need to work on your delivery.

If you're here to play King of the Geeks, then I think you're in the wrong place.

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I think i will still stick with "Official SM/I theories" to avoid further confusion. Wink


That sounds reasonable.


Again, sorry, I did not mean to come off as an ass or as someone trying to play "King of the geeks"
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