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StarkRavingMad
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 		IM with shadowtalk1
I saw him come on. I didn't try to talk to him in detail, I tried to go with the flow and talk like he was. Log:
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SRavingM: Are you grey?
shadowtalk1: are you?
SRavingM: gray gray grey grey; weather weather
shadowtalk1: stones grey stones grey stones grey stones
SRavingM: im grey
SRavingM: head stones?
shadowtalk1: many many many
SRavingM: grave stones?
shadowtalk1: circles grey circles grey weather
SRavingM: open circles closed circles grey
*** shadowtalk1 signed off at Thu May 22 15:34:00 2003.
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Gupfee
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 		Let's keep all the chats here and we'll see if there is some kind of pattern.

Gupfee: shingles weather gray, and so do stones
shadowtalk1: grey day gray day grey weather grey weather
Gupfee: rain? cloudy skies?
shadowtalk1: grey weather grey stones grey grey grey
Gupfee: grey whether
shadowtalk1: weather wether whether wither
Gupfee: weigh grether
shadowtalk1 signed off at 6:32:51 PM.
shadowtalk1 signed on at 6:34:20 PM.
Gupfee: help
shadowtalk1: stones grey stones grey stones grey stones
Gupfee: help stones grey
shadowtalk1: many many many
shadowtalk1: circles grey circles grey weather
Gupfee: stonehenge
Gupfee: salisbury plain
shadowtalk1 signed off at 6:38:54 PM.[/b]

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dmax
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 		more, if there's a pattern
And mine:
Shadowtalk: im grey are you?
dmax: LOGON
Shadowtalk: stones grey stones grey stones grey stones
dmax: Mick Jagger
Shadowtalk: many many many
dmax: Easter Island
Shadowtalk: circles grey circles grey weather


I'm thinking it's like a black box: broadcasting a message and we intercept it when we get there by IMing the broadcaster. Our input clearly means nothing.
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StarkRavingMad
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 		Re: more, if there's a pattern
dmax wrote:
And mine:

I'm thinking it's like a black box: broadcasting a message and we intercept it when we get there by IMing the broadcaster. Our input clearly means nothing.


I'd believe that except for this portion of mine:
SRavingM: Are you grey?
shadowtalk1: are you?

He actually responded to me there. So, someone is there. Maybe we just need to know what to say. Oh, he's back...

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2003 6:46 pm
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StarkRavingMad
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 		He's rolling now:

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SRavingM: weather wether whether wither
shadowtalk1: are you grey or are you green?
SRavingM: im grey. are you?
shadowtalk1: are you grey or are you green
are you
are hugh
grey green grey day black night green night gray day
SRavingM: who is green
shadowtalk1: are you grey or are you green
are you
are hugh
grey green grey day black night green night gray day
SRavingM: are you green?
shadowtalk1: grey eyes, and curly gold hair
SRavingM: grey eyes grey day gold hair black night green night
SRavingM: gray stones gray circles many many many
shadowtalk1: sender
fretter
folk and people

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 		dmax: hugh
Shadowtalk: grey eyes, and curly gold hair
dmax: tall
Shadowtalk: sender
fretter
folk and people
dmax: walk

Comparing mine to Stark's, it looks like the sequence is the same, as the pattern of speech evolves. Cool.

I think we're watching HIP or something similar "learn" to talk.
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StarkRavingMad
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dmax wrote:

I think we're watching HIP or something similar "learn" to talk.


Interesting possibility. Also, with the way this thing keeps playing with spelling, I wonder if "are you green" is maybe some reference to Sam Greene?

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 		I just had the following little chat with shadowtalk1:

lazaruslong567: Are you grey?
shadowtalk1: grey
lazaruslong567: grey weather grey grey grey
shadowtalk1: stones grey stones grey stones grey stones
lazaruslong567: grey weather stones
shadowtalk1: many many many
lazaruslong567: many weather stones
shadowtalk1: circles grey circles grey weather
lazaruslong567: many circles many stones

at which point shadowtalk1 went offline. A liitle later he/she/it returned, and the following interchange occured:

shadowtalk1: are you grey or are you green
are you
are hugh
grey green grey day black night green night gray day
lazaruslong567: i am grey day
shadowtalk1: Great Green Knight Green Mountains Green Green
shadowtalk1: sender
fretter
folk and people
lazaruslong567: green night grey day

at which point shadowtalk1 went offline again.

SPEC: Shadowtalk is the AI (CAROL) that was mentioned in last night's chat. It it just starting to learn to interact with people (and at the rate it is learning, it won't be long before it passes the Turning test).
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StarkRavingMad
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 		The weird thing about this is that a general natural learning AI has to get its input from somewhere. (see http://nicole.sourceforge.net or http://megahal.sourceforge.net) But shadowtalk (if it is the HIP project) is gaining new vocabulary, but not from us. It started in with the "curly gold hair" and "green knights" and mountains without us feeding it those terms.

And no mention of Mick Jagger at all.

This postulates to me that either he's getting vocabulary from some preset text to feed his vocabulary (which maybe we could find?), or he's talking to someone other than us and learning from them...the guides? The dead eyes? (edit): Unless he's learning from the internet itself, as Dale suggested last night. In that case, I wouldn't be surprised if he started out reading Gawain and the Green Knight...

oh, he's back again...

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SRavingM: Green Knights
shadowtalk1: ES ES
SRavingM: YES? ESP?
shadowtalk1: es ex
SRavingM: green mountains
SRavingM: es ex xe se sex
shadowtalk1: ES ES
ES EX
ES
ES
ES EX
SRavingM: essex?
SRavingM: ES/EX
shadowtalk1: 123456
123
12345678
12345678
123
12

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2003 7:05 pm
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the42guy
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 		the42guy: hello
the42guy: green
shadowtalk1: ES ES
ES EX
ES
ES
ES EX
the42guy: ES EX
the42guy: RCDC
the42guy: stones weather
the42guy: clue
the42guy: stone
the42guy: folk and people
the42guy: green blue red orange yellow purple blue
shadowtalk1: 123456
123
12345678
12345678
123
12

Hmm, so is it learning numbers?? This is quite bizarre.
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dmax
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 		I think it's learning numbers. But let's not ignore the idea that, possibly, it's telling us 6-3-8-8-3-2

Although it means nothing to me.
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StarkRavingMad
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 		Hmm, although, looking at the chat log from last night, it didn't seem like Wes or Dale thought shadowtalk was a bot. In fact, Wes specifically said he didn't think so when Dale asked him...

Quote:

Wes Keeler: has anyone here heard from someone named "shadowtalk"?
Dale Sprauge: yes someone mentioned him a while ago wes
lazaruslong567: I heard from shadowtalk this evening - before the chat
Wes Keeler: what did he tell you?
Dale Sprauge: do you know him wes?
batlady1213: gray,grey, weathers, weathers
Wes Keeler: right before i "disappeared" i started getting messages from him whoever he is
Wes Keeler: yes that same message
Wes Keeler: gray weathers sometimes grey weathers
Wes Keeler: yes
Dale Sprauge: i know that phrase
Dale Sprauge: its something i saw when i was reading stuff at the library i think
Wes Keeler: perhaps
lirath: grey weathers are the rocks of which among other things stonehenge and Avebury were built...
Wes Keeler: has anyone tried emailing him?
lazaruslong567: also known as Sarcen Stones
Wes Keeler: yes lirath thats correct
Wes Keeler: i did
lirath: someone mentioned there appears to be a sarsen stone at AGP...
Wes Keeler: since he has an aim name i figured he might have a netscape or other e-mail account with the same name
Wes Keeler: i found a working email address at shadowtalk1SPLATnetscape.net
Wes Keeler: but he's yet to reply
Wes Keeler: it just seemed awfully coincidental that he showed up talking about mystical things when he did
Wes Keeler: i want tsome to keep an eye out for him on im
Wes Keeler: i want someone to see if they can get him to say something other than
Wes Keeler: grey weathers
Dale Sprauge: do you think its a bot wes?
satansfriend92: so this conversation is what caused you to write the phrase down?
Wes Keeler: yes
Wes Keeler: to satansfriend
Wes Keeler: (nice name) lol
Wes Keeler: no to dale


(edited the above for clarity - removed some other chatter in the log)

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 		PHONE CALL from shadowtalk1
I just got a "blocked number" call to my phone during the period we're watching shadowtalk1.

When I picked up it was a deep harmonized voice with some string pad sounds playing as it spoke. A bit of a hiss sound, but Im on a cell phone.

Said "Grey. Grey Weather(s). Grey." and I said "HUGH!" and it hung up.

Of course, I should've said "I am Forbin!" Shocked
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StarkRavingMad
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 		interesting link from cluesearch on "grey weathers":

http://www.devon.gov.uk/library/locstudy/sc1470.html
(Lydford. Standing stones. Grey Weathers. General. [1826]
SC1470. Grey Weathers / drawn & etched by P.H.Rogers. [1826])

(edit) holy sh*t that's creepy, dmax..if it's talking, I don't think it's HIP

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 		Shadowtalk1 just called my cellphone too. Unfortunately the voice was too soft for me to make out what it was saying. It sounded synthesized, like a machine voice would, though.

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