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[WILD SPEC] Yasmine: part of the SPARTAN-III program
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[WILD SPEC] Yasmine: part of the SPARTAN-III program

Here's some dates that need verifications:

These three dates are to establish the years and months that past:

* 2535.02.12 - Lambda Serpentis System / Jerico VII fell
* 2552.07.17 - Sigma Octanus IV rescued
* 2552.08.30 - Reach falls

From TFoR, it gave an exact date to when the SPARTAN-II project initialized:

* 2517.11.23 - SPARTAN-II project begins

And the candidates were 6 years old at the time, which meant that they were born during the year of 2511. Which means that by current 2552, those still alive are 41 years old (including the Master Chief).

Thanks to our new sets of audios, the times get conflicting regarding the SPARTAN training.

It is still 2552 and Kamal is 25 years old, which means he was born sometimes in 2527. Yasmine is 4 years younger than he; she was born in 2531. Both were born past the SPARTAN-II candidate selection. In 2537, Kamal was 10 years old and Yasmine was 6 years old. Yasmine was pulled into the SPARTAN training and replaced with a flash clone. By the year 2545, Yasmine undergone 8 years of SPARTAN training.

* 2527.XX.XX - Kamal was born
* 2531.XX.XX - Kamal was 4 / Yasmine was born
* 2537.XX.XX - Kamal was 10 / Yasmine was 6
* 2545.XX.XX - Kamal was 18 / Yasmine was 14
* 2552.XX.XX - Kamal is 25 / Yasmine would've been 21

Sounds like there's a SPARTAN-III project.

Okay, 2545 wasn't a good year from what I'm speculating. I remember that at ages 14 is when the SPARTAN candidates undergo their surgical operations. Some make it, others do not. I'm guessing that Yasmine didn't. But she did become a potential candidate for the brain-cloning for smart-AI's. Durga did admit to sharing Yasmine's history.

2552 - 2545 = a 7 years gap

If so, sadly to admit that Yasmine died twice so far.
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Hi, Ceantari. I believe there were a couple of references to further batches of Spartan 2.0's being created. Specifically, Chief Mendez was going on to do this. For example, here and here.

These posts reference material from The Fall of Reach, it seems.[/url]

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grimcat wrote:
Hi, Ceantari. I believe there were a couple of references to further batches of Spartan 2.0's being created. Specifically, Chief Mendez was going on to do this. For example, here and here.

These posts reference material from The Fall of Reach, it seems.[/url]


Yeah, but I'm proving that all the dates lead to another batch of SPARTANS - the third editions. Recheck my numbers, please. Doesn't Kamal's and Yasmine's existances not line up with the SPARTAN-IIs? Yet Yasmine was a SPARTAN, which means she was a fresh recruit for SPARTAN-III, failed to survive the surgical operations, and became the "smart" AI Durga.

And if this isn't what you're talking about, prove to me that she is from the 2.0. If not, then you agree that she is a 3.0?
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i agree with you, ceantari (if your dates are accurate). Not to mention, the next batches of (potential trout here as this has been discussed b4) Spartan II's being trained would still have been on reach, wouldn't they? If so, glass bombardment, poof most of original spartan ii's destroyed on surface, and others in training there at that time, as well. Weren't they all called back, minus the 4 on a deep space mission, to reach just b4 the attack, anyway?
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She may be a Spartan II but the second or thrid batch of Spartan II's. There is a difference between the second (and thrid if possible) batch of Spartan II's and the Spartan III's. The Spartan II 2nd group was still the same operation and the first Spartan II's while the Spartan III's were a completely new op with new abilities, technologies, and under different leadership (cant remeber the guys name right now...I feel so dumb.).

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Ceantari wrote:
grimcat wrote:
Hi, Ceantari. I believe there were a couple of references to further batches of Spartan 2.0's being created. Specifically, Chief Mendez was going on to do this. For example, here and here.

These posts reference material from The Fall of Reach, it seems.[/url]


Yeah, but I'm proving that all the dates lead to another batch of SPARTANS - the third editions. Recheck my numbers, please. Doesn't Kamal's and Yasmine's existances not line up with the SPARTAN-IIs? Yet Yasmine was a SPARTAN, which means she was a fresh recruit for SPARTAN-III, failed to survive the surgical operations, and became the "smart" AI Durga.

And if this isn't what you're talking about, prove to me that she is from the 2.0. If not, then you agree that she is a 3.0?


I want to know when they started making SPARTAN III.....?
I've have never seen a reference in any of the books that hint towards it.
This thread is Wild Spec, because there are only two programs that we know of, which is the 1.0 and the 2.0. When did 3.0's ever come into existence?
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(God, I love your avatar, daboking)

Well, how much do we know about Reach itself, the planet - terrrain, structures, etc?

> Episilon Eridani System
> REACH Military Complex
> FLEETCOM Military Complex
> UNSC Military Rerservation 01478-B
> REACH Military Wilderness Training Preserve
> Omega Wing - Section Three Secure Facility: CASTLE base
> ONI Medical Facility (in orbit around Reach)
> Menachite Mountain
> Forerunner architecture

What we don't know exactly are all those places and others possibly not mentioned.

Dr. Halsey did survive in CASTLE base along with some others that were mentioned, in addition to some remaining SPARTAN-IIs. Are there still people/faculty living deeper inside CASTLE base? Did everyone evacuate in time?

Did the "plausable" SPARTAN-III program depart Reach much earlier? Or did they survive, but are secluded deeper in CASTLE base?

Like it goes back to the TROUT:
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Colonel James Ackerson's files:
* S-III
** all records on SPARTAN-II project
> names and homeworlds of participants
> armor specifications
> DNA profiles
> enhanced procedures
> flash cloning
** CPOMZ(512 character/digit string)
> files on all Forerunner artifacts
> full map of CASTLE base ((and I wanna see that map))
* KING UNDER THE MOUNTAIN
> records of CASTLE base
> complete survey of Menachite Mountain
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So, how much of Reach and CASTLE base do we know?[/b]
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Bobeo wrote:
She may be a Spartan II but the second or thrid batch of Spartan II's. There is a difference between the second (and thrid if possible) batch of Spartan II's and the Spartan III's. The Spartan II 2nd group was still the same operation and the first Spartan II's while the Spartan III's were a completely new op with new abilities, technologies, and under different leadership (cant remeber the guys name right now...I feel so dumb.).


If they're labelled "batches", then aren't they titled: SPARTAN 2.2 or SPARTAN 2.3? But that's different from the 1.1 - those are direct offsprings of the 1.0. How does that work?

And perhaps they do have new abilities and technology, they just haven't mentioned it yet?

Lots of secrets, and not enough answers being revealed.


Some of you guys treat the idea of "SPARTAN-III" like a taboo and react the same as if the thought of you playing another Spartan instead of Master Chief in Halo 2.
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deceptaconS, it IS very wild SPEC indeed, and though it is nothing new, I have not seen anything in game this far along that either sheds light or darkens the possibility. You are correct that there is no mention (as discussed in past threads) of Spartan III's. From what little I know (I am reading the books so I can better open my mouth on the subject in the future), it does not seem any more wild... wait a minute (my empty shiny head ponders)
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hmm, reach fell in 2552 so it does possibly fit timeline wise to spartan 2 second or third generation. Wow, I can be dense! hehehe
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1.0 - First generation Spartans
1.1 - First generation Spartan genetic offsprings
2.0 - Second generation Spartans

Those are generations. What would "batches" of the same version be titled - 2.0.1?
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I don't have any of the books around at the moment so I can't be sure of the year--but CPO Mendez was sent off to 'raise' the next class of Spartan II's (definitely, not III's) sometime in their teens [edit] or later--maybe 21?. That would be in or near the year 2531, in time for Yasmine to be a Spartan II. All we know of Spartan III is that there is a file Dr. Halsey found labeled "S-III" (or something like that) implying there is a Spartan III program headed up by Ackerson somewhere. But this is just spec; SIII could be something else... doubt it, though.... Wink

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We don't know if Yasmine was taken to be a Spartan III if such a thing even existed since S-III could also mean Section III. Ackerson is Section III afterall. She was taken to be a Spartan, we'll all agree on that. One thing I'd like to point out though that unless every Spartan after the first Class died during augmentation then other Spartan's outiside of the first Class likely still exist or possibly all died in battle (which would be odd since we still had the majority of MC's class alive before the Fall of Reach).

Now here is my point. Everybody is just assuming Yasmine died from the augmentations. Can we really be sure she did? We don't know anything about the other Classes outside of Yasmine being one of them. Spartan's are soldiers so there are a lot of other ways she could have died. As long as ONI still had access to her brain she could have been made into an AI at any time. Durga could be anywhere from 7 years old to 1 year old (realistically).
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So, these next "batch" are they the 2.0.1 or 2.0.2?

So far they're not known as genetic offsprings of the Two-point-zeros, so they can't be labelled as 'two-point-ones'.

Shadowkiller wrote:
As long as ONI still had access to her brain she could have been made into an AI at any time.


Only Dr. Halsey has be cloned "at any time". You would think they've waited until someone died or became a vege-state. Obviously this wasn't Dr. Halsey's doings otherwise she'd won't allow it; they'd be considered "her children". And I don't think Colonel Herzog was that muchuva jerk to abuse a life like that to turn into an AI he uses. I can see Admiral Standish being that much of an ass to use a brain "at any time".

Shadowkiller wrote:
Durga could be anywhere from 7 years old to 1 year old (realistically).


I don't know... is there such a thing as 'Pre-Rampancy Syndrome', meaning a "smart" AI can worry itself to death before it happens?
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Ceantari wrote:
Only Dr. Halsey has be cloned "at any time". You would think they've waited until someone died or became a vege-state. Obviously this wasn't Dr. Halsey's doings otherwise she'd won't allow it; they'd be considered "her children".


Don't get me wrong, I am not arguing that Yasmine could be still alive, she isn't. What I meant by that is as long as they still had Yasmine's dead body they could make Melissa. Linda was put in cryo after she "died" during the Fall of Reach, but then was brought back to life by Halsey. Yasmine could have died on the battlefield and got put into cryo and later turned into an AI. My spec may be wrong but until we know for sure it is just as valid as thinking she died during augmentation.

Ceantari wrote:
I don't know... is there such a thing as 'Pre-Rampancy Syndrome', meaning a "smart" AI can worry itself to death before it happens?


Melissa has been split into 3 pieces, The Queen, Sleeping Princess and Durga. Anything odd (or any insanity) that could be considered Rampancy could have been caused by them being split into 3 personalities. We don't know what that could have done to her.
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I'm so becoming too paranoid about HALO/BUNGIE coincidences. There's a reason for every action and every action has a reason. ^_^

At least I'm still looking forward to this secret found here.
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