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 		key
the key looks very familiar but can't place it right now... where did you get the image from?

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Barbarellany
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 		To me the key seems to be of the same design as some of the symbols found in dolmans. The Key is at the Hollow Needle, in the newsletter.

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 		Check out Phyllis's email regarding the key.

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=6639#6639

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 		another key
there is another key showing on the door with the cross. Not the same as the above post

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 		SPEC: Trees in AGP cemetery
I posted about trees in the cemetery here and have since found out a bit more about Stull Cemetery...one of the seven gateways of hell was meant to be a pine tree in the cemetery. (See end of this page)

I'm still trying to chase up my hunch about the tree coloured red in the picture on the AGP website; but I think the trees labelled in Diana's Grove Easter Egg Hunt is significant in some way, and when I came across the above website I thought it could somehow tie in the tree theme we've been coming across so much.

Any thoughts anyone?

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 		Brent Bowers
Well. it appears that our friend Brent Bowers (webmaster of the Ash Grove Amusement Park) and his wife were indeed layed to rest in the Ash Grove Park Cemetery. According to the internment list posted earlier today:

5 Bowers, B ., b. 1814, d. 1869, w/o Brent Bowers
6 Bowers, Brent , b. 1812, d. 1879, h/o B. Bowers

RIP

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 		Garden of Pairs
here's an interesting side note to the "garden of pears" which is mentioned on http://www.ashgrovepark.com/layout.html

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The garden is divided into two halves - though there may be more to this garden than we have seen to date. One half is populated entirely with couples, the other with lone individuals. The reason for this is that human souls are mostly created in pairs - male and female (twin souls); but these pairs do not always reincarnate into the same life-period.
It is often the case that one will be alive while the other is not and so he or she must wait in the Garden of Singles.
The Garden of Pairs is where the two meet up again. Whether or not Apollo is the coordinator of this process we cannot yet say for certain, but on every encounter with him this garden is part of the experience.


from http://www.olympian-foundation.org/apollo.htm

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 		Ash grove Park and intermint list peoples ages
Hello
This could be one smelly trout but maybe something maybe not. Hope these numbers are rite. I am a rite brained person so cut me some slack! lelelellele

1 Erickson, Thelma S., b.1815, d.1841 26yrs

2 Niederman, Floyd Stanley, b. 1823, d. 1873 20yrs

3 Carol, Gertrude, b. 1791, d. 1869, w/o Anthony Carol 78yrs

4 Smith, Martin, b. 23 Dec 1801, d. 28 Aug 1859, s/o Henry and Amelia Krol Sniezek, h/o Mary Deminski Smith 57 yrs 7mos 28 days

5 Bowers, B., b. 1814, d. 1869, w/o Brent Bowers 55yrs

6 Bowers, Brent, b. 1812, d. 1879, h/o B. Bowers 67yrs

7 Erickson, Adda B, b.1776, d.1835, mate, Samuel J. 59 yrs

8 Kaelin, Pauline, b. 1881 d. 1894, d/o Barbara and Charles Kaelin 13yrs

9 Instale, Protho, b. 19 Jul 1771 d. 10 Jul 1824 52 yrs 11mos and 10days

10 Carol, Anthony, b. 1786, d. 1849, h/o Gertrude Carol 63yrs

11 Alvey, Bernard Joseph, b. Jun 12, 1822, d. Feb 29, 1884, h/o Mary Elizabeth Pierce, s/o Charles William and Maria Renalda Brangers Alvey
61 yrs 7 mos 29 days

12 Traylor, Kesley Kyle Jr., b. 17 Apr 1851, d. Sep 1881 30yrs 5 mos

13 Unger, Frederic, b. July 1799, d. Sep 1799 2 mos

14 Flandensburg, Katrina Joan, d. Dec 17, 1783

15 Schwacke, John Henry, b. Jul 29, 1828, d. Jan 9, 1892, s/o Johann and Margarte Dittmer Schwacke, h/o Anna Witte 63yrs 5mos 9 days

16 Kapp, Adam Michael, b. Jun 18, 1789, d. Jun 18, 1789, s/o Gregory Francis & Maria Theresa Pierce Kapp one day

17 Ohm, Matthew, d. Dec 25, 1800 christmas day

18 Young, Steven B., b. April 1, 1818, d. August 27, 1865 47yrs 3mo 27 days

19 Zalt, William, b. 1791 d. 1834, d/o Sarah and Ichabod Zalt 43yrs

20 Queen, Oliver, b. 1811 d. 1842 31yrs

21 Imlay, Elizabeth, d. Apr 3 1802, mate, Joseph, wife of, 81 years

22 Landau, Harold B., b. June 30 1856, d. Jan 14 1893 36yrs 7mos 14 days

23 Gladstein, Faith, b. Aug 31 1773, d. June 22 1849 (Mother) 75yrs 10mos 22days

24 Williams, John Parry Jr., b. 04 May 1817 Utica NY, d. 30 May 1893 Early's Crossing, s/o John Parry Williams Sr. and Laura Katherine Jones, h/o Mildred Jean Maurer 66yr 26 days

25 Debrovely, Hyman, b. 1856, d. 1932 (Father) 76yrs

26 Xavier, Charles E., b. Apr 6 1802, d. Aug 20 1832 30yrs 3mos 20days

27 Wunderlin, Johann, bur. 13 Nov 1889

28 Vessels, Agnes Eleanore, b. Sep 13, 1814, d. Jan 16, 1890, w/o Noah Joseph Vessels, d/o Alphonso Benedict and Mary Lillian Ray Alvey 75yrs 3 mos 16 days

29 Rushe, Chas Jr., b. Sep 3, 1742, d. Jul 29, 1859, s/o Charles D Rushe, Sr & Mary Lydia Fowler 117yrs

30 Duffel, Deliah, b. Oct 28, 1828 d. Nov 16, 1865 37yrs 18days

31 Graf, A. Maria, b. 23 Oct 1874 d. 11 Feb 1895, d/o Barbara and Charles Graf 20yrs 3mos 11 days

32 Niederer, Daniel John, d. 11/12/1794, stillborn, s/o Donald and Renee Niederer

33 Ohlmann, Agnes J, b. May 5, 1805, d. Nov 22, 1870, w/o Louis Edward Ohlmann, d/o Charles William and Maria Renalda Brangers Alvey 65yrs 5mos 22days

34 Herbert, Norma Lee, b. Aug 23, 1828, d. Oct 4, 1899, w/o Bertrand J Herbert, d/o Thomas and Marguerite Louise Alvey Corbett
71yrs 1 mo 4 days

35 Pawley, John Redman, b. 30 Jun 1759 Clay Co KY, d. 18 Sep 1834 Lions, bur. 21 Sep 1834, h/o Mary Margaret Pawley, s/o William Pawley & Mary Aubrey 3 days

36 Pawley, Mary Margaret, b. 14 Sep 1767 Louisville, Ky, d. 26 Feb. 1838 Early's Crossing, bur. 1 Mar. 1838, w/o John Redman Pawley, d/o John L. Weck & Margaret Lightner 70 yrs 4 mos 26days

37 Ulther, Sven, b. Oct 03, 1808 d. Nov 14, 1865 57yrs 1mo 11days

38 Vessels, Louise C, b. Jan 25, 1800, d. Mar 11, 1884, w/o Oswald Kincheloe Vessels 84yrs 1 mo 11 days

39 Xavier, Bruce, b. 1888, d. 1889 1yr

40 Meltone, Edward Yates, b. 1776, d. Feb 20, 1837 61yrs (born in our independence year)

41 Alvey, Mary Edna, b. 1797, d. Dec 25, 1890, w/o John Ambrose Alvey, d/o Joseph and Laura Long 93yrs

42 Tonelle, Johann, bur. 15 Apr 1876 (DID THE TAXES GET HIM LoL)

43 Higdon, Dottie Ann, b. Jan 11, 1829, d. Nov 27, 1899, w/o James Russell Higdon, d/o Emmett S and Nellie Hoover Roberts 70yrs 9 mos 27 days

44 Rothstein, Mrs. Rachel, d. June 19 1896 Age 85

45 Faeller, Billie J., b. Nov. 9, 1826, d. Dec. 1, 1898 72 yrs 22days

46 Zoellner, Marie, b. 1856, d. 1899 43yrs

47 Yerkes, Samuel, b. Feb. 19, 1796, d. July 4, 1802 26yrs 4months four days ( i guess he got more independence than he asked for)

48 Quarrel, Todd, b. 1832, d. 1832 not even a year

49 Metzler, Adrian N., b. Apr 5, 1785, d. Jul 30, 1864, s/o Wilhelm and Hillegonda Santsra Metzelaar (original spelling) 79yrs 2mos 30days

50 Lacy, Charles French, b. Sep 14, 1782, d. May 15, 1860, h/o Lillian Stevens Scudder, s/o William French Lacy and Sarah Mood Lacy 77yrs 7 mos 15 days

51 Edelman, Sarah, b. 1764, d. 1830 (Mother) 64yrs

52 Metzler, Dorothy, b. Dec 4, 1818, d. Jul 24, 1856, d/o Otto and Amelia Krol Cilke, w/o Laurent 38yrs 6 mos 24 days

53 Fink, Bernard, d. 16 Mar 1835, s/o Simon and Maria

54 Goldstein, Hannah Esther, b.1866, d.1878 12yrs

55 Debrovely, Malvia, b. 1866, d. 1892 (Father) 16yrs (the fatherinlaw prolly got him with a gun)

56 Damien, Steppin, buried 1877

57 Gerald, Sally, b. 1794, d. 1830 64yrs

58 Israel, Samuel, b. 1824, d. 1830 6yrs

59 Evans, Eli B., b.1764, d.1832 (Father) 68yrs

60 Applegate, Joseph J., d.Jan 2 1878, 17/47 yrs 11 mo 20 days

61 Fuchs, Bennie, (infant - dates unknown) believed to be grandchild of Barbara and Charles Graf

62 Quail, Deborah, d. 02/02/1894, stillborn

63 Ogle, William, d. 1878

64 Messenger, Matilda Birkenmeyer, b. Oct 1, 1868, d. Oct 17, 1898 30yrs 6days

65 Clayton, Deborah, d. 20 Feb 1875, aged 63 yrs., 6 mths., 21 days, wife of Watson K. Clayton

66 Chamberlain, Emma N. Shinn, b.1747, d.1828, mate, Thomas, his wife
81yrs

67 Ohm, Michael, d. Dec 25, 1800 (second christmas death)

68 Ulther, Eric, b. 1809 d. 1835 24yrs

69 Young, Bael, b. 1848 d. 1875 27yrs

70 Boltinghouse, Caroline M (Hawk), b. Oct 29, 1798, d. Apr 3, 1880 21yrs 5mos 3days

71 Quarrel, Wilma, b. 1782, d. 1845 29yrs

72 Vernon, Theodore, b. 1862, d. 1872 10yrs

73 Zoellner, Mark, b. 1854, d. 1892 38yrs

74 Wilson, David I., b.1766, d.1857 (Father) 91yrs

75 Schrecker, Cecilia Lillie, b. Aug 11, 1774, d. Apr 21, 1849, w/o William Joseph Schrecker, dau. of Samuel and Julia Corneilson Adams
74yrs 7mos 21days

76 Brooks, Ida F., b. Jun 25, 1783, d. Nov. 15, 1851, w/o John H. Brooks, d/o Frederick George Ladd and Ida Jane Crane
67yrs 4mos 15days

77 Nothel, Jackson, b. 1806, d. Feb, 1837 31yrs

78 Unger, Phyllis, b. 1804, d. 1813 9yrs

79 Young, Benjamin, dates unreadable

80 Linos, Trent, b. Jun 23, 1845, d. Jun 24, 1845 one day

81 Polhemus, Nathaniel, d. 17 Feb 1868, aged 65 yrs., 6 mos., 28 days

82 Xavier, Sheila, b. Oct 21, 1838 d. Sep 30, 1845 74yrs 11mos 40days

83 Zelda, David, b.1893, d. 1893 didnt live a year

84 Seisdedos, Mary Lillian, b. Dec 8, 1798, d. May 6, 1874, w/o Roberto Seisdedos, d/o William Kendrick & Mary Elizabeth Higdon Goldsberry
75yrs 4mos 6 days

85 Robbins, Charles S., b.1861, d.1898, mate, Anna Davis 37yrs

86 Robbins, Anna Davis, b.1863, d.1898, mate, Charles S. 35yrs

87 Xeno, Arthur T., dates unreadable

88 Tindle, George, d.May 17 1876, mate, Mary A., age 35 yrs 4 mos

89 Prather, Catherine Faeller, b. Mar 8, 1819, d. Aug. 26, 1897, d/o William J. Faeller, Sr 78yrs 4mos 26 days

90 Ash, Bertha, b. Jul 13, 1810, d. Apr 12, 1890, w/o Hanley Ash, d/o William Joseph and Cecliia Lillie Adams Schrecker 80yrs 8mos 12days

91 Hoellmann, Henry F., b. 1830, d. 1883 53yrs

92 Johnson, Tracy, b. 1 Nov. 1790, m. 2 Mar 1809, d. 11 Dec. 1861, aged
71 years 1 mo., 7 days, wife of Gilbert C. Irons

93 Koch, Elizabeth, b. 1825, d. 1899, w/o George Koch 74yrs

94 Nagel, Billy Dee, b. 1799, d. unreadable

95 Levine, Albert L., b.1869, d.1870 1yr

96 Kraemer, Catherine Birkenmeyer, b. Dec 2, 1859, d. Jul 29, 1888
29yrs 6mos 29days

97 Hullsman, Richard L, b. 1808, d. Jul 15, 1891, h/o Catherine Gyr
83yrs

98 Vessels, Oswald, b. 1802, d. 1885, h/o Louise Vessels 83yrs

99 Williams, Liandra, b. unknown, d. 1876

100 Tilton, Thomas J., b. 14 Sep 1842, d. 9 May, 1853 11yrs 7mos 9days
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 		The nine who exist here and beyond
trying to research more on the "nine" from the decoded AGP message
Quote:
The path between worlds
Lies in the power of belief
The nine who exist here and beyond
With them in hand the way revealed


here's an interesting essay on the number nine in myth, specifically relating to yggdrasil, runes, locks, and other neat stuff we've come across already:
http://www.indigogroup.co.uk/edge/9sisters.htm

salient points:


  • nine "skerry-brides" who power the world mill
  • nine hazels grew above the inspirational Well of Segais, whence sprang the seven chief rivers of Ireland
  • The Norse god Heimdallr is said in the poem Voeluspa hin skamma to be the son of nine giant-women 'at the edge of the earth'
  • nine worlds in the yggdrasil world-tree
  • the Yakut shaman uses a tree with nine notched steps to facilitate his celestial journeys
  • the nine maidens whose combined breath heats the cauldron of the Head of Annwfn in Caer Sidi, the rotating island-fortress of the poem Preiddeu Annwfn
  • the nine sisters who rule the Fortunate Isles
  • The Old English Nine Herbs Charm says that 'Woden took nine glory-twigs and struck the adder so that it flew into nine parts'
  • The cognate Scandinavian god Odin, of course, hung upon the World Tree for nine nights to acquire knowledge of the runes, according to the poem Havamal
  • the nine vidhi of Voeluspa
  • In Greek myth, the Lernaean Hydra, a serpentine beast with nine heads (but sometimes eight, or even fifty or more), lived beneath a tree that stood at the 'sevenfold source' of the river Amymone
  • for the Chinese: the nine celestial 'Palaces' and the ninefold land division of feng shui.
  • ninefold underworld of the Maya of Central America
  • Odin's golden ring Draupnir, from which dripped eight more identical rings every ninth night
  • the nine months of pregnancy - actually the nine periods, analogous to lunar cycles, when an adult woman's menstrual cycle does not take place. The ninth bloodless moon brings fruition, childbirth
  • the nine maidens whose breath heats the cauldron in Caer Sidi, which is cognate with the cauldron of rebirth that occurs elsewhere in Celtic tradition
  • The nine black-clad disir or fylgjur, and the same number dressed in white, of the Icelandic Flateyjarbok and Brennu-Njals saga, women who represent the luck and well-being of a family, as well as promoting the fertility of its female members

tons of spec fodder...
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 		Info about trees if anyone besides me is interested!
Asked my brother, who's a tree surgeon, about possibilities of which type of tree it could be which was coloured red in the picture on the AGP homepage.

He said it's most likely to be an oak; a few other possibilities such as maple as he's just going by the shape, but that's what he'd go for. He didn't think it was an ash, hawthorn, or pine at all.


I had thought there might be something related in the Stull Cemetery story about a pine tree being one of the 7 Gates of Hell so they cut it down...but as I suspected from the look of the tree in the picture, he said

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...looks mostly like another Oak, though it could be a Zelkova
or Elm (looks like it's in the USA, so no idea what they plant in
cemetries). Doubt it's a Pine of any sort (too many burs on trunk and
branches), you can also just see some leafy branches on the left main
branch which would be unusual for a Pine that far into a main branch....


So the Stull pine tree was not a pine... another good ghost story ruined! Sad

Right, I'll shut up about trees now. Promise.

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 		Another 9 connection: In Hinduism, the 9 planets are worshipped as "navagrahas" and are the basis for Vedic astrology. A nice, simple explanation can be found here.

For a brief, exciting moment, I thought I could connect this to the disk that Wes found, but that has 8 symbols, not 9. Confused

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 		Six fingers at AGP
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#84 Seisdedos, Mary Lillian, b. Dec 8, 1798, d. May 6, 1874, w/o Roberto Seisdedos, d/o William Kendrick & Mary Elizabeth Higdon Goldsberry
75yrs 4mos 6 days


Seis dedos means "six fingers." (Thanks, folks at CD. They noticed this, not me.)

Remember that Digitalis is part of the ghostly theme park, and not a contemporary person. Just like Brent Bowers sent us email, and is interred here, it's reasonable (heh) that Digitalis is buried in a grave here. Of course, #84 is a woman. Did Roberto truly have 6 fingers? Did their offspring? Is Roberto wandering the park looking for his soulmate? Did they have a child who vanished at some point? Dunno.
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 		Just fell in...I was on the fringe of OOC (doing my best to write combative E-Mails to Brad, mostly), and I'm still playing catchup now - but until I can provide something actually useful I figured I'd throw this out

http://www.gurman.org/ashgrove/

Version 2 of the song is the one I've heard the most, and maybe could add a little perspective coloring?
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