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rose
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[Puzzle] Solve the curse; stop Kerry from killing - from Vic I wasn't in the poker game or the updates yesterday.
But last night there was a long frustrating poker game with Victor. Shado posted it here
AmberJoy explained it to me like this:
He left us with two instructions:
1. Call Kerry and convince him to stop being a killer.
2. Go through the documents I have and see if we can find another son of a son.
Thoughts? Comments? How to unmake a death?
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 1:46 pm
Last edited by rose on Sun Nov 13, 2005 2:08 pm; edited 1 time in total
rose
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Curse From another thread -edited to include all the corrections
Quote:
Spill my blood upon this [sand?]
& a curse will follow you
& your sons
& the sonsw of your sons
With my dying breath
I will take the gift of Eve from them
So they will not know
Good
from
Evil
Until my blood
has been unspilled
and my death unmade
and furthermore *bang* [big gap if there is more text after this, I haven't seen it] I think the killer cuts him off, so to speak.
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 1:59 pm
rose
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Documents The documents we need are found here:
http://flickr.com/photos/varin/tags/lastcallpoker/
thanks Varin
They were found from an ebay auction that Don's ex-wife was having of his old documents.
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 2:07 pm
rose
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last piece of info And for those wanting to call Kerry. His number is on Corazon's page
Quote:
Kerry?
Is this 213-341-1154? Kerry, no outgoing message, nothing? This is how you expect people to get in touch?
This is Corazon Suarez, I'm trying to reach Kerry Tucker.
Goddamn it, Kerry, what male idiot thing are you planning! CALL ME!
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 2:10 pm
rose
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Shado's spec just to have everything together in one thread I copied this:
Quote:
Seems like it might be the other way around. Smith "disappeared" in 1868. Sullivan we know survived until 1875, when Frank Grouard shot him and Billy the Kid got the blame. So I'm guessing that Sullivan had something to do with Smith's death, and that his line is the recipient of Smith's curse. (Perhaps Smith is the skeleton that Cain, Seeley, and Sullivan unearthed in 1870.)
Smith --> O'Kelly --> Brown
Sullivan --> O'Grady --> Tucker
So perhaps Kerry needs to "unspill" Smith blood and "unmake" Smith's death somehow.
For lack of any other ideas, I just called Kerry's voice mail and told him about all this. I wonder what he'll make of it. (More than I have been able to thus far, hopefully...)
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 2:14 pm
ahecht
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Here is a transcription of one of the letters:
Quote:
Dear Sister Agnes,
We were very excited to recieve word of your acceptance of our daughter Anna to your boarding school. My husband William Robert and I trust her to your care, and hope to visit her whenever we can come to St. Louis. It is our sincere hope that these next four years will make her into the woman we know she can be. We are grateful that she will be getting an education appropriate to her age and station as life here in Mexico does not always afford the cultural opportunites a young girl needs.
Sincerely,
Eliza Smith
So, this begs the question: Who else do we know in St. Louis?
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 2:16 pm
rose
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And who is Anna from Mexico? how does she fit in with our 1914 Juarez story?
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 2:20 pm
ahecht
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Don't forget that Mary Ella and John H.C. Smith lived in Chihuahua, Mexico from 1865 to 1868
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 2:23 pm
konamouse
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One of the cemetery small favors was in St. Louis, at Bellefontaine.
Lots of famous folks buried there.
My list from the quest included in these photos.
This place had lots of civil war (and afterwards) folks. And I found a marker for a family named White.
I want to know the maiden name of Don's wife (could his son, David, be part of the cursed lineage)????
To unspill Smith's blood would probably require a Sullivan to make the ultimate sacrifice to save a Smith. Sigh.
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 2:26 pm
rose
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Transcription of the Diary:
returned the fort Bridge was completed. [Pimmssns] busy [Commandeering ] and bridging the creek. ...[?]
Commenced crossing by dusk. Our Brigade wagons had the [advance?] but it was near 11 o'clock before they were all over We put -up a tent and 'Crawled in" for the night. Has been drizzling [rain?] nearly all day. Lt. pittiman is [acting adjutant] 81st Ohio. No news of any importance only that we will be apt to move some time tomorrow.
Wednesday March 1st 1865
Slept late. Spent the forenoon in the office. 150 men detailed from the Brigade to report at the creek to build "conducary"_ at noon we rec's orders to be ready to move as the teams were across. - underway at 2PM. Marched 10 miles over a [][] Country in a direction a little north of east, on the chesaw road and went -in camp at Black Creek. Still cloudy and [?] appearance of rain. Heard today of the Capture of Wilmington by General Scofield. Swope ordered to be under [?] at daylight. There is a possibility of our remaining here tomorrow.
Thursday March 2nd 1865
Up early. Remained in the office during the forenoon. Issued our order consolidating the Field [?] of the Regiments. No orders to move until 1PM when we received orders that the Division would move across Black River and go into camp. Our Brigade to bring up rear. About 4pm General [Howard?] and staff came up with usual [?] as it would be very late before our division could get across the Black River. Our Brigade ordered to remain as Guards to Gen'l Howard's train.
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 2:38 pm
AmberJoy
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McPherson's family tree shows an ancestor of PS who died in 1875. Sullivan is Patrick Sullivan, correct? And Sullivan died in 1875.
If so, it would stand to reason that Patrick Sullivan is the ancestor of both McPherson and Kerry.
Any of my logic faulty there?
Edited to add link to McPherson's family tree.
http://www.lastcallpoker.com/user/donaldmcpherson/gra%5Flineage/
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 2:54 pm
AmberJoy
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So it appears that what I was reading as McPherson on the family tree is actually M. Pierson.
So maybe I was completely off about this.
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 2:58 pm
ariock
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Re: Documents
And thanks to AmberJoy.
a quick transcription of the diary: Edits welcome.
...returned the foot Bridge was Completed. Pi??? ???? ??????? and bridging the creek.. ????? Commenced crossing by dusk. Our Brigade Wagons had the ad-vance. but it was near 11 oclock before they were all over. We put up a tent and "Crawled in" for the night. Has been drizzling rain nearly all day. Lt Pittman is ????-????-81st Ohio. No news(?) of any importance only that we will be apt to move some time tomorrow.
Wednesday Mar 1st 1865
Slept late spent the ??? in the Office. 150 men detailed from the Brigade to report at the creek to build "???(appears to be same as the third unknown word above)" At noon we rec'd orders to be ready to move as the teams were across. -Under way at 2 pm. Marched 10 mile ??? a ??? ???? ?????? in a direction a little north of east. On the ??? road and went in camp on Black Creek. Still cloudy and strong appearance of rain. Heard today of the Capture of Wilmington by Gen Schofield(?). Troops sched(?) to be ??? ??? at daylight-There is a possibility of us remaining here tomorrow.
Thursday Mar 2nd 1865
Up early. Remained in the Office during the ????. Issued an order Consolidating the Field Bands of the Regiments. No orders to move until 1 PM. When we secured orders that the Div would move across Black River and go in Camp. ??? Brigade to bring up the rear. About 4 PM, Gen Howard & Staff came up and went into camp. As it ???? ???? late before our Div could get across Black River. Our Brigade ordered to remain as guards for Gen Howards tr??? ...
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 2:59 pm
konamouse
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The family tree from McPherson's update two weeks ago was a page he got from Lothar and how he figured out that Kerry was a descendent of PSullivan. We haven't found a direct link to McPherson yet, have we? Who are Don's parents? His mother might be the link - do we know her maiden name?
On that page I see Comstocks and Pierce and Hilbert and Pierson but according to Don's update, those lineages were all gone (that was as far as Lothar had gotten on his own research). It was Don who figured out Kellie married Ben and then traced down to Kerry.
I'm hoping something in Don's new papers shows us that connection between Don and the Sullivan line (so he would be part of the curse).
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 3:01 pm
Shad0
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rose wrote:
And who is Anna from Mexico? how does she fit in with our 1914 Juarez story?
I don't think she does, but I think she fits in another way. Anna Smith from Mexico also appears on the 1910 Chicago census, within the highlighted circle, as Anna O'Kelly. Notice that her husband, Sean O'Kelly, and their two children are all American, but she is listed as being from Mexico. Also notice that their two children are named Mary and Seamus. Where else have we seen two siblings named Mary and Seamus?
Yup. Janet Brown's grandmother -- Lucky's mother -- was named Mary even before she married a Brown. And her brother -- Lucky's uncle -- was named Seamus. (Plus there was always that speculation about that "Officer O'Kellie" from 1929 Chicago being Lucky's Uncle Seamus.) I think this is the connection that we were meant to find. Just as Kerry is descended from Patrick Sullivan, Lucy is descended from John C.H. Smith. Hence my theory about Kerry needing to "unspill" Lucy's blood or something.
(Incidentally, since JEB Stuart never actually had possession of the Gun -- having been killed before Secretary Benjamin ever presented it to him -- I don't think it matters any more whether Lucy and the other Browns are distant relations of his. Smith is the connection we need.)
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 3:14 pm
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