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#209 - Black - Little Pigley Farm - Star set
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Nightingale
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 		#209 - Black - Little Pigley Farm - Star set
No scanner - sorry

This card's worth 53 points

text:

We're all familiar with crossword puzzles, but good cross-number puzzles are more difficult to come by. This one has been adapted from the famous Little Pigley Farm puzzle, created by W. T. Williams and G. H. Savage.

You might like to know that 1 mile is 1760 yards, 1 rood is 1210 square yards, there are 20 shillings in £1 and the year is 1939. The land on which the rectangular farm stands is called Dog's Mead. Completing the puzzle will reveal the ultimate secret of Mrs Grooby's age (Farmer Dunk's mother-in-law)

Down
1. Value of Dog's Mead in shillings per rood. (3 squares)
2. Square of Mrs Grooby's age. (4 squares)
3. Age of Mary, Farmer Dunk's daughter. (2 squares)
4. Value of Dog's Mead in Pounds. (3 squares)
6. Current age of Ted, son of Farmer Dunk, who in 1945 will be twice as old as his sister Mary. (2 squares)
7. Square of the width of Dog's Mead, in yards. (5 squares)
8. Number of minutes in which Farmer Dunk walks 11/3 times around Dog's Mead. (2 squares)
9. 10 Across divided by 10 down. (2 Squares)
10. See 9 down. (3 squares)
12. Sum of the digits of 10 vertical plus 1. (2 squares)
13. Number of years that Dog's Mead has been owned by the Dunk family. (3 squares)

Across
1. Area of Dog's Mead in square yards. (5 squares)
5. Age of Martha, the aunt of Farmer Dunk. (2 Squares)
6. Difference between the length and breadth of Dog's Mead in yards. (2 squares)
7. Number of roods in Dog's Mead Multiplied by 8 vertical. (3 squares)
8. Year in which the dunk family became owner of Dog's Mead. (4 squares)
10. Age of Farmer Dunk. (2 squares)
11. Year in which Mary was born. (4 squares)
14. Perimeter of Dog's Mead (in yards). (3 squares)
15. The cube of Farmer Dunk's walking speed in miles per hour (2 squares)
16. 15 Across minus 9 down. (2 squares)

PHEW!

The grid is 7x7

If no-one scanned this by tomorrow I'll see if I can whip up a little something to show you the positions ect.

I guess the first move is to work out from the clues given at the top the dimensions of the farm.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 4:47 pm
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Langley Moor
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 		HAving sat down with pencil and paper, I'm pretty certain there are mis-prints on this one - given the spacings for 9 down and 10 across and down, the answers are physically impossible to fit in.... also, doing more complex maths relating the speed he walks and the area of the land, there's no answers that actually fit. Would love it if someone could prove me wrong, but I've got a bad feeling about this.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
As a starter, for clue 15: there's only 4 speeds he can walk at: 1, 2, 3 or 4mph.


PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:33 pm
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Nightingale
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 		Langley, do you mean that I've made errors in my transcription (I was sleepy) or do you mena on the card itself?

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 5:28 am
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 		Here are the scans.

Text on the back reads:

Hausam Amphitheatre

The Hausam Amphitheatre is a central part of Polygon Park and often hosts several performances a week in summer and spring. Seating is available for over 8000. A petition to add heating and an ultralight-weight dome (similar to that used at the Triple Wheel Stadium) for protection against the weather was started in 266 but narrowly defeated by the Preservationists.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 2:02 pm
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Langley Moor
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 		The card itself, don't worry - transcription seems fine Smile

I'll wait to see what anyobdy else gets for this one, but I'm quite certain now that it's actually not possible. If nobody proves me wrong I'll email in next week.

PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 2:05 pm
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 		Langley, have only had a quick glance at this and see what you mean about the 9D = 10A/10D clues. However, surely it is possible to have zero as the first digit (or indeed first two?) That would also help with your spoiler, and note anyway that it does say "the cube".

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Grizy
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 		The completed puzzle can be found at this site
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
http://public.logicacmg.com/~ath/Archive/1994/1994%20tales.htm

It also shows the reasoning behind the solve.

However, when I tried entering the solve it didn't work.
Might just be me Smile

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Grizy
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 		Just double checked the site where I found this puzzle.
Looks like the numbers have been altered. The reasoning could still work.

PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 2:49 pm
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Langley Moor wrote:
given the spacings for 9 down and 10 across and down, the answers are physically impossible to fit in....


Having now actually had a look at the card, I suspect you're right, and 9 and 10 down are round the wrong way or something. I've checked that against the question on the page Grizy linked to, and the question is fairly similar (but not identical!) with 9 and 10 slightly different. Want to work it out myself though!

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Kvasir
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Wowbagger wrote:
Langley, have only had a quick glance at this and see what you mean about the 9D = 10A/10D clues. However, surely it is possible to have zero as the first digit (or indeed first two?)


I really don't think that you should be able to have zero as the first digit. It really wouldn't feel right. On the other hand that is the only way to resolve the 10A/10D issue.

I'm inclined to think there is a typo and it should be 10D/10A.

Can someone who has the card check if you get given a typo correction when you try to answer. I'm convinced something is wrong on this one.

PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 6:23 pm
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 		Decided to go out on a limb and see what the customer service guys had to say.

Perplex City Customer Service wrote:
Thanks for your email. Sorry - there are no errors on that card!


Which I guess clears that one up then. Hmmm...

EDIT: Also, 5 people have solved this already. Guess I just need a little more faith.

PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:11 pm
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Langley Moor
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 		There is a mistake, just solved it - 9 down should read: 10 down divided by 10 across.

Good luck solving it now Very Happy

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Langley Moor wrote:
There is a mistake


And to think I'd felt bad for questioning them Rolling Eyes

Thanks for that!

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 		Can anyone clarify for me whether 8 accross reads eleven over three or one and a third??

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josiah wrote:
Can anyone clarify for me whether 8 accross reads eleven over three or one and a third??


Thanks for suggesting that. I had assumed 11/3 (based on the French maths community never using fractions like 1 1/3....) but it led to an impossible situation on 7 down...

Think this will allow me to solve.

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