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[krystyn]

It's also up to the PMs to decide what information can become live and have legs to it, too! Just cos you 'betray' someone, doesn't mean that it will become true inside of the game experience.

[ariock]

[VictorSueiro]

[thebruce]

I think it's a problem we're seeing more frequently now - PMs may or may not know if information was gained from an OOG resource. So ultimately, if they decide to use it IG, and we assume they are trustworthy, then they either felt that the information was worthwhile to include, whatever its originating source, or they simply didn't know if it was intended to be kept secret/oog for the players.

From the last occurance, the PMs didn't get the information themself from the forum, but they were given the information by a player, and it's likely didn't know where it came from. The player didn't tell anyone. He could have in theory got permission from each of the names. How do PMs decide what information to use from players and what not to? When it comes down to it, all they can really tell is whether it would be a good inclusion to the game's events. It's really up to the players/community to encourage fair information trade (but it can't truly be enforced).
PMs can't monitor every single player resource, though I think that UF is really the only (major?) forum that insists it remain OOG.

Any way, it's a touchy issue. it's happened before, and while we want to assume that UF is safe, there's no guarantee that a player will not share information received from here and that the PM knows that information given by a player wasn't solely take from UF. How far does the connection go? What if a player at UF tells a friend, who tells a friend, who tells a friend, who tells a character. The only way to be certain it's IG is if it's referenced specifically somewhere outside the OOG resource (ie IG), and if the only connection to OOG is players... well, direct player interaction with characters is by nature IG. So there's a bit of a conflict there.

blah.
After last time, I've just decided that if the PM decides to use whatever comes from a player, it's their story, and they've decided to push it in that direction and accept the ripple effect it'll have on the community, positive or negative. *shrug*

[danteIL]

Great.

So now I fear that the net result of all of this is that no one is going to share anything.

This is a collaborative enterprise, and should be treated as such, in my opinion. If people become privy to particular information or have special interactions, then of course they have the right to enjoy that. But I would still say that they should share that information/interaction here so that it also becomes part of the collective experience of the game. If you are subsequently "betrayed" IG then this should make the betrayer feel bad because they are using OOG information for IG purposes, but that shouldn't stop you from sharing. It is just one of the potential side-effects of collaboration -- not everyone will behave in ways that you like (and I realize that this includes withholding information). But like krystyn wisely pointed out, if the PMs don't want that to become an issue, they won't even recognize that it even occurred.

Digest form: More trouble comes from information-hoarding than information-sharing, imo.

[jasper]

I'm going to be so confused from now on about who is an ally and who is not!

So, anyway, Eli asked

[thebruce]

[krystyn]

[DavFlamerock]

Well in light of all that I'd add in that this is why I like using in-game forums like Sentry Outpost. However, despite the fact that we have forums like that in this game, the layout is wierd (actually it's more that the damn login window pops up every time I try to get on) and we seem to find more out here than on those forums... so yeah, I've chosen to stick here. However, IG forums are nice because they avoid all that kind of stuff, and it's more immersive because you don't have to worry about the OOG/IG dilemma.

In other news, I'd love to be a double-agent, despite the fact that I am not Thumos (maybe I could charm them with my secondary Chartion side?). I had a lot of fun messing with Skynet last time I double-agented, heh.

[AUZ505]

I originally tried to have this and similar discussions by starting this thread . So perhaps some of you can post their opionion on my idea, to have a "pure IG arg", over there.

[lhall]

I was really debating whether or not I should throw in my two cents here, because a lot has been said that I agree with and I doubt I can say it better. But, because we've been talking a lot recently in IRC about what it means to be oog/ig, I think it's alright, even though I was teased a bit earlier for my approach to that stuff.

I don't play args for the puzzles, I play for the community that comes up around the games. I only say that so you know that's what's influencing me when I say this stuff, and I definitely don't mean this as a callout of any players. So, here goes...

[VictorSueiro]

[mr.judkins]

Right. Now all IG/OOG discussions aside, it appears that this little project has not yet been divulged in the findthelostring forums. In fact, if you didn't delete your posts Victor, then it means either Ariadne or another forum administrator (Kai?) may quite possibly remove anything which would jeopardize this venture. Also, as I understand it these forums were set up to be a place where discussions just like this could happen - where the community could be involved, but it would be kept from those within the world of the TINAG. Obviously this has been broken in the past, but I'm an eternal optimist, and I'd like to think we can be civil about this long enough to get a way to contact Theo directly.

Before we continue, an even more OT palette cleanser:



We took this photo on the way home from our first training session. Truly bizarre thing to see in real life!

So, I reckon let's get back to it. The initial tasks I listed were:

[brodie]

*puts hand up* I'm great at bickering. Just so you know.

[Elizabeth123]

Thank you Mr. J, both for the palate cleanser (well-needed) and for re-opening the real intent of this thread. I'm like you, possibly quite naive, but I really do feel like we should be able to trust everyone here. So...let's do this!

I actually feel like there should be ONLY ONE person communicating with Theo, since if a few people show up at once, all using the same code, he's more likely to be suspicious. Also, wouldn't it make sense that whoever actually picked up the artifact and left the message for Theo would be the one posting? I guess the note could say the artifact-picker-upper is working in tandem with someone else, but I think it'd be simpler if it's just the person who picks up the artifact (assuming it's a real player and not just an acquaintance of a player.)