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[SPEC] Coordinates and Radio Broadcast
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GWing_02
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jegger wrote:
Here's a little more of my interpretation of the text.

And yet, I am shipwrecked here. If I want to signal for help, to give my location, or, most of all to report on anything that might lead to the truth, I must be a starfish, growing strange new limbs to replace the ones fate has hacked away. That task is underway.
A more contextually complete version of the quote from earlier. If Melissa describes herself as shipwrecked, then it seems that she realizes that she's on a foreign planet and would be looking for help off-world. The only method for transmitting off-world that we currently have is radio. The axons seem to be directly related to transmitting the signal for help. Also, digging the roads is the only task that seems to be underway currently. This strengthens the statement that the starfish limbs are the axons, and the sole reason for their existence is to signal, give her location, or report.

give the ghost of myself a voice and use it. Mayday, Mayday, Mayday.
Using her voice in this case equates to a Mayday. As far as I know, the only commonly used medium for a Mayday is radio.

Anyway,
Hope this seems like reasonable spec.


Perhaps, but from what we've seen of the Haloverse, Melissa is a human AI.
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I would register, if Grad school didn't start back up on Tuesday. Honest.

I agree with dork and andy, it seems like we _are_ supposed to show up on tuesday. We should analyze the rest of what Dana is saying (teh significance of pirated dvd's, the cafe as a front...they seem like more hints along the line of "you aren't seeing what you think you're seeing).

Still we need to keep in game here. If M. does manefest on Tuesday, it's still not able to be physical at all. She could, however:

Access the Internet and buy stuff with "false" credit card numbers. I'm sure a type3 AI from seven hundred years in the future can spoof a credit card. Here, she could do the se7en-courier-at-a-precise-time thing (but I very very highly doubt they could get 100+ couriers to show up on-time...that would be absolutely unheard of).

She could hack into radio station computers and insert a .wav into the programming lineup (assuming the computers are net ready). Insight on the world of broadcasting...most radio stations just line up broadcast material, commercials, music, ads, etc. in a timeline feature on computer programs. M could slip a small sound clip in there and it could go unnoticed. But we would need the radio frequencies. This would also explain the highway GPS spots. Still, there is no way for her to set up speakers in these locations and stay ingame logical as of yet.

toodles!

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Extrasonic wrote:
GunsmithCat wrote:
Another question is who put the Axon count up and why. It's in SPDR's "writing", but there's no IG text to support him starting a second countdown, particularly one that doesn't really seem to fit with the others.

If it was Flea posing as SPDR, then what did it mean? Has it changed the countdown's purpose?


Technically, I guess, it was originally in SPDR's writing and wasn't deleted when Melissa and/or The Flea wrote the new coordinates.

But isn't the links.html countdown exactly the same as the index.html countdown to "wide awake and physical"? I see it as reinforcing the same point rather than as something different and new.

If what you're getting at is that the text associated with the countdown(s) on index.html was to serve as a warning not to mess with the process, and we're not really sure why the countdown was labelled "axons go hot", then I agree... I'm stumped there. I mean, the meaning seems pretty clear - the axons at these locations are going to be activated when this countdown ends - but who was the SPDR's intended audience? Was it another "don't interfere" directive, or just an FYI?


Yeah I wrote that badly. I'm not sure if SPDR or Flea wrote the "Axons go hot". If it's SPDR there's not much explanation for why it redid it needed a new countdown to the same day/time. If it's Flea it's uncertain why as well, but my guess is that Flea is altering Melissa's goals.

Axons Go Hot doesn't sound like a "Be Warned" message to me, it sounds like a "Here I Come" (clearly subjective)

I'll just say this - the PMs have been pretty careful about the HTML usage by character - as sparked by the nifty debate between Shad0, DMaster and myself on nearly this same topic a bit ago. I'm not saying these changes are necessarily significant, but I doubt highly that they are random. Course there could be a cheap IG reason for it but the real cause was to alert us that they had changed.

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Yup, Dana's blog sure makes it sound like we're supposed to go. Don't they know I've got meeting on Tuseday, darn it!


Dana has told us many things lately.

Don't trespass or you might get arrested.
Things aren't what they usually what they seem.
On the 24th, she'll be on the internet.
Media is really cheap in China (that one, I knew)

So you could also intrept her blog as saying - Glad you're going. Things might not be what you expect. Don't get arrested or anything. I'll be on the net when you get back.

We also have to remember that as an IG character, Dana is just about in the dark as we are. So the PMs might avoid being to obvious when speaking "through" her.

And without an updated coords list, the problem is that this list still doesn't make much sense for any theory. I haven't heard any explanation as to why the time is ordered as such, why some of these locations don't seem to make much sense (one seemed to be -in- a building, another off by a cornfield.) They all seem to be semi-roadside, so maybe this physical thing is something small enough to be dropped off?

I dunno, it's pretty incomplete. Unfortunately I've tried to detemine a good method of finding the freq for the radio theory and have come up empty. So without more information a broadcast theory is untenable. The puzzle theories are certainly possible, but also seem to be coming up short.

So the only option is wait until the 24th and see. People who can go to these spots will I assume. I had hoped for more/better data - but without it's just a waiting game.

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(a)Lurker wrote:

I agree with dork and andy, it seems like we _are_ supposed to show up on tuesday. We should analyze the rest of what Dana is saying (teh significance of pirated dvd's, the cafe as a front...they seem like more hints along the line of "you aren't seeing what you think you're seeing).


My guess is that if it's physical, it will be something left by the side of the road.

If Melissa has hired interns, I'll be sorely disappointed in the ARG.

Neither, however, still explains the times.

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This was originally posted in the General/Updates section RE: Dana's new blog 8/20, but it might also belong here as well. Especially given GunsmithCat's question about the times with the coordinates. -Dano
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First time poster here, but I have to say all of the contributors here have done some impressive work thus far. OK, enough of the pandering. Wink

Maybe this is troutable or [spec] - you can decide. This also may belong in another thread, but given we have kind of started to get away from what this message is/is not telling us, here is my wooden nickel's worth. If you know where it really should go, I will repost it there gladly, but I think it has value here as well.

I have been thinking about the coordinates for a while, and a comment from Extrasonic:
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=57342#57342
regarding the content of Dana's blog today made it make more sense to me. What about billboards? This theory has been floated before in only two posts I could find:
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=56873#56873
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=53190#53190

Given these coordinates are seemingly random places - some of which are in remote areas like cornfields next to roadways - makes sense to me having lived in a rural area where billboards *are* in cornfields. What if there are no billboards in these areas? Well, have you ever seen those banners hung on buildings they are constructing? Often these will advertise what the structure is going to be, but sometimes they are not. I remember a very cheesy Excite banner in NYC a few years back - you NYC folks may remember a big, red banner on a buliding in Manhattan that had a guy with a cheesy cowboy hat on giving a quasi-smarmy look to the masses.

Anyway, why not have a regionalized billboard/signage program that gives different clues to the next parts of the puzzle? Perhaps each one will be a snippet of an overall monologue or haikus that must be assembled chronologically - not necessarily in the order of the time given in the longitatude/latitude coordinates.

What if these are billboards/signage scheduled to be updated that day? This would give us the element of "things are not as they seem". For instance, let's say that there are ten billboards scheduled to be posted in a given metro area on Tuesday. Nine of these are innocuous, pronouncing a product or service or a company known to all. However, one is for something which appears to be legitimate, but is actually a clue to the next puzzle. This also lends credence to the comment from Dana saying, "You guys are the ones on the frontlines. So it's your call. Do you want to be there when the axons go hot?" It is not necessary to be at each location as this is when the game will really be beginning, and thus, more of these mysteryous billboards/signs will be cropping up all over. Add to this that the coordinates changed, and it can be postulated that the locations of new locations changed beyond the control of the PMs and/or they received bad data in the first instance.

What is the importance of the time? I can only guess here - as if I have not been doing that thus far Wink - that these are the times when they will be "unveiled". Further, why are all the times Pacific rather than local to the coordinate? To me, this keeps the focus on the west coast, and more specifically, the SF Bay Area since that is where all this mystery spawned from according to the "physical" location of Dana/ilovebees.com.

Do I have to be at one of the sites or can I watch the net for new developments on Tuesday? Why not both? The game has to have been designed so *everyone* can play. What if you are confined to your home convelascing from an injury? It seem grossly unfair that you cannot participate in the game because of your condition. It further seems illogical that you have to have the assistance of other people to solve the puzzles or finish the game? Of course, it helps considerably that there are so many of us thinking about this together!

It has also is common knowledge that there is a timer on the ILB site. One theory, again postulated by Extrasonic: http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=57619#57619
that we have to solve the puzzle *before* the zero-hour. What if it is a countdown to when the game begins, and all the clues we have in our possession thus far will become relavent on the 24th? This is not to say we have been wasting time thus far, but rather our theories will be proven/disproven.

What of the competing theories of what the scope of the game encpomasses? (Too many to link) Well, let me give you some game industry background having worked in it for a couple of years on the retail side. Everything is about making money. In fact, the gaming industry generates more revenue than movies and music. Microsoft wants people to buy Xboxes and Halo games. If you own an Xbox, you will be buying Halo 2 (if you are not, why do you have an Xbox? Wink ). However, what of all the non-Xbox owners out there? What better way to build interest in a real game than to make a game out of Halo 2? Putting on my game company hat, I would fix it so that all the answers will be resolved by buying Halo 2. Otherwise, what is the point of all of this? I will concede that many ARGs are desinged as just that - ARGs. However, some are designed as elaborate marketing ploys to build brand/product awareness *and* drive dollars into the coiffers of the company behind it. So, what is my point? All of this is going to play into Halo 2's storyline in some way. I have never read the books, and I do not think you have to know anything about anything Halo to play this game. However, all of this allegory about Queens, Spider, Widow, Flea, etc. plays into the story of the battle for Earth in Halo 2.

Bring on the fishes. I am more of a salmon guy, but Rainbow Trout is OK too!
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edited out for sanity's sake

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cmcdannold wrote:
This was originally posted in the General/Updates section RE: Dana's new blog 8/20, but it might also belong here as well. Especially given GunsmithCat's question about the times with the coordinates. -Dano
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First time poster here, but I have to say all of the contributors here have done some impressive work thus far. OK, enough of the pandering. Wink

Maybe this is troutable or [spec] - you can decide. This also may belong in another thread, but given we have kind of started to get away from what this message is/is not telling us, here is my wooden nickel's worth. If you know where it really should go, I will repost it there gladly, but I think it has value here as well.

I have been thinking about the coordinates for a while, and a comment from Extrasonic:
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=57342#57342
regarding the content of Dana's blog today made it make more sense to me. What about billboards? This theory has been floated before in only two posts I could find:
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=56873#56873
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=53190#53190

Given these coordinates are seemingly random places - some of which are in remote areas like cornfields next to roadways - makes sense to me having lived in a rural area where billboards *are* in cornfields. What if there are no billboards in these areas? Well, have you ever seen those banners hung on buildings they are constructing? Often these will advertise what the structure is going to be, but sometimes they are not. I remember a very cheesy Excite banner in NYC a few years back - you NYC folks may remember a big, red banner on a buliding in Manhattan that had a guy with a cheesy cowboy hat on giving a quasi-smarmy look to the masses.


Yeah, I had thought this was a likely possibility for the "physical evidence" for the frequency. I couldn't confirm this with the sites I had scouted in Chicago, however, and it seems like they would already be in place.

But I would say it is, in general, a runner up to the pay phone theory. Perhaps the times are somewhat arbitrary and they will unravel these banners in a specific order?

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That's my thought as well GunsmithCat, butchered here from my lengthy post:
cmcdannold wrote:
...What if these are billboards/signage scheduled to be updated that day?...What is the importance of the time? I can only guess here - as if I have not been doing that thus far Wink - that these are the times when they will be "unveiled"...


The payphone thing is defintely valid, but the arguement of random people not involved with the story so far answering said phones also has credence. [SPEC] Idea Maybe there will be some sort of grafitti on the payphone with a number to call for "Margaret's Honey", "Hai-Ku Princess Massage Parlor" or some such thing that we would understand, but the random passerby will not. However, in San Francisco, they have been cracking down hard on what I call "urban advertising". USA Networks did something where they "tagged" random locations about a show called "The 4400". I think it was USA, anyway. So, they would have to be *very* surreptitious to pull it off, and we would have to basically say nothing about finding said defacing of private/public property to keep the PMs from being busted.

Plus, I would also make the arguement that the internet is a form of print media. I acknowledge that it makes use of telco networks, but you still have to have read to find the majority of the stuff we have discovered so far. That said, it is more feasible to orchestrate an advertising (for lack of a better term) campaign tied to the ILB game and keep with the spirit of the medium the AI has been using thus far. You might ask how it could be done in the spirit of the game? Well, apparently it is rather easy for the AI characters to communicate with us. [SPEC] A fake work order could be sent out to the billboard companies (I think Clear Channel and Viacom own most of them in the US) through electronic means. The AI "corrupts" a random amount of these billboard messages in each area, or to keep with the game, "hacks" the work order database. This would give her a "voice" for *everyone* to hear - metaphorically speaking that is.
-cmcd

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Well, I've been kinda against the idea of Melissa doing much outside of sound-based communication, since we have so many IG clues that one of her first steps is to get a voice. So while we could posit she might use this voice to place orders, fake authoratitive phone calls, etc., it seems more of a jump than her simply using SPDR/Flea to tunnel out to some phones and see what's on the other side.

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A fake work order could be sent out to the billboard companies (I think Clear Channel and Viacom own most of them in the US) through electronic means. The AI "corrupts" a random amount of these billboard messages in each area, or to keep with the game, "hacks" the work order database. This would give her a "voice" for *everyone* to hear - metaphorically speaking that is.


Possible, true, that she won't use the voice to hack - but there's some IG evidence that she's frustrated with the Internet and trying to work past it.

But if it was a mix, both some kind of interactive phone call with Melissa and a Honey-related item left at every site, couldn't deny the cool factor. PMs could explain it as kismet Smile

Now that said, I wouldn't be surprised if we see some more viral print marketing later on. It's been interesting that Bungie/Microsoft started this in part to linking it from a Halo 2 trailer and then backing off (they even blatantly refused to use the word "Bee" in a press release.) My guess is that we'll see more of it as we get closer to the endgame.

I'm assuming Melissa's tricks won't end at phone calls. I'm not even ruling out radio broadcasts in the long run as it fits into some overall theories about how the plot works into Halo 2.

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billboards

I think billboards are beyond her capability right now. With a radio spot, she could hack in, insert wav, slightly modify the schedule, and leave without having to interact with humans or talk (outside of the wav itself).

Billboards are much more involved from a human standpoint. Even in a small town, a high-traffic billboard would cost in the thousands for a one-month block (think number of people who see it times a couple cents apeice...if the traffic route brings a mere 300,000 see it per month, that's $6000 for two cents per view). With that sized investment, and the fact that you have to actually get the sign printed and have a person put it up, that's way too much for M to sneak in 100 times on the same day with the same company and not have an exec notice.

If they went the small sign route, it would still be around a thousand bucks in print costs for 100 vinyl signs, then the problem of coordinating the display space...it seems a bit early in the game for the PM's to spend that much. And if they did, you could expect much more difinitive hints for us to be there.

I guess it still isn't impossible, but the radio broadcast is much easier than the banner/billboard angle.

Still, good work so far.
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