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SOLVE: Guides Second Step
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mopi
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SOLVE: Guides Second Step

from CD:
Quote:
The email is simple substitution but the catch is that the 2 blocks of numbers are
encoded differently (i.e. a "3" in the first block stands for one letter, in the
second block it stands for a different letter). So treat as 2 separate codes to
solve.

Solving gives:

"the beginning of wisdom is to unlearn that which is nought"

and

"let us not make random judgements on the greatest of things"

I have a feeling there's more than simply decrypting the numbers and getting the
messages but haven't thought about it anymore yet.


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dmax
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Re: SOLVE: Guides Second Step

mopi wrote:
"the beginning of wisdom is to unlearn that which is nought"

and

"let us not make random judgements on the greatest of things"


Well, from a layman philosophical point of view, I'm thinking that the first is a reference to the use/existence/whatever of Zero.

And, correspondingly, the second is a reference to Infinity.

(I know that didn't clear anything up. You're welcome.)
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StarkRavingMad
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Also possible references to Alpha/Omega. I also wonder about the fact that the cypher contained zero (that which is nought?) and 27 (the greatest of all..a higher # than z?)

Also, let's retain the formatting, since it has proven to be important in the past:

the beginning of wisdom
is to unlearn that which
is nought

let us not make random
judgements on the
greatest of things

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NightShift6
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Fairly new to the whole ARGN, playing CTW for about a week, playedMajestic in the past... But, what's "CD" I sthere another forum site that people collaborate on?

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mopi
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Quote:

Antisthenes being asked of one what learning was most necessary for man's life? answered; 'To unlearn that which is nought.'

first quote is a reference to antisthenes, so we find that http://www.mythosphere.org/antisthenes.html
gives us a new page.

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dmax
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mopi wrote:
Quote:

Antisthenes being asked of one what learning was most necessary for man's life? answered; 'To unlearn that which is nought.'

first quote is a reference to antisthenes, so we find that http://www.mythosphere.org/antisthenes.html
gives us a new page.


Nice, and the other half of the picture will be from the second line...
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mopi
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the other half is a paraphrase of Heraclitus, who said "let us not make random conjectures on the greatest of matters"

www.mythosphere.org/heraclitus.html

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BoJangles
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NightShift6 wrote:
Fairly new to the whole ARGN, playing CTW for about a week, playedMajestic in the past... But, what's "CD" I sthere another forum site that people collaborate on?


Hey there
CD is reference to CollectiveDetective.org it is another forum and there is also yahoo group Wishchasers as another one. Also I notice that is not mentioned above but the solver of the email is CD's Grumpyboy. Yeah GB!!

Mel

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dmax
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Dead Greek guys

Anyone fused those two puzzles into one yet?
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Aveena
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Fused pics

dmax wrote:
Anyone fused those two puzzles into one yet?


but of course....

mopi's got one posted in his archives http://www.mopi.org/ctw/mythosphere.org/tab1full.gif, and i've got one linked from the guide.

now....solve it! Razz

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dmax
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sigh

So is the point that empty space at the end?

I was thinking it's a word search puz, but the number or duplicates/pairs is offputting.

Maybe if I sleep on it, like Kekule, the answer will come to me.
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nukular
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coordanates?

could the white bars on the top be for coordanates?
where have we seen unused pairs of numbers?

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bilbo80
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In the source code of the pages :

Antisthenes :
<!--16 0 18 8 10 0 18 2 20 16 24 24 -->

Heraclitus :
<!--17 0 23 1 8 9 0 17 17 8 27 19 -->


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AnthraX101
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So, who wants to transcribe it to letters? Razz

AnthraX101

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kingohugs
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It looks to me like every other vertical line is slightly darker....should we be looking at the imags in pairs?

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