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[Trivial? Spec?] What happens when the Queen finds out?
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sherpa
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The ingame explanation for the recipe3 files is that they are secret roads, built by Melissa.

This fits with the idea that Melissa put them there herself already, but didn't set up the unlocking mechanism because she didn't trust us. the SP just added the axons so we could intercept the paths.

Presumably Melissa already knows they're unlocked, because she made the phone calls for them. If so, then she has already found out, and doesn't care. The alternative, of course, being that she doesn't know and thought the calls were part of the main ones, in which case she's a poor mathematician.
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There is another option, which doesn't really have legs, proof-wise, and that is that the Sleeping Princess impersonated Melissa for that round.

But it's still a possibility, no matter how unlikely. Alternately, the SP could've changed Melissa's calculations for her, so the numbers still were wonky, but the overall Big Picture would still look good. Again, no legs for that one, either.

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MeKiwi
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sherpa wrote:
The ingame explanation for the recipe3 files is that they are secret roads, built by Melissa.


Okay, I agree... but how did we get to the recipe3 files? Maybe I'm working under false assumptions here, but I thought we were talking about the hidden "candidate files" which SP found for us. And I thought the main question was, "if Melissa was holding back the Candidate files until she trusted us more, what will happen when she finds out we already have seen the candidate files?"

I guess my argument rests on the assumption that Melissa will find out we already have seen the candidate files, but I believe that is inevitable.
1. If the Candidate files were always in the /outbound directory but just locked up, then when she "trusts us" and goes to unlock them, she'll notice they're already unlocked.
2. If the Candidate files were not always in the /outbound directory, then when she "trusts us" and goes to put them in the /outbound directory she'll notice they're already in the /outbound directory.

The only way I could foresee her NOT noticing would be:
3. If the Candidate files were always in the /outbound directory but just never locked up.

But this seems to contradict what we know about the other wav files...
namely, that they are not accessible until hotted, even if you append the name of the wav file to the /outbound directory. (ie they do not exist in /outbound until hotted).

So I think it's pretty reasonable to assume Melissa WILL find out. At that point, I suppose we'll find out what she means by

Melissa wrote:
"Unauthorized personnel should know that I have full license to use any means to protect the security of these transmissions. I believe that punishing even minor transgressions with shockingly excessive force is the best deterrent.

I am relentless, and I have absolutely no conscience when it comes to executing my mission."


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Now that cheerleaders is live, I am wondering what will happen if the queen finds out.

If the queen and durga are connected, aren't we "messing with team jersey?"

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maskdmirag wrote:
Now that cheerleaders is live, I am wondering what will happen if the queen finds out.

If the queen and durga are connected, aren't we "messing with team jersey?"


Just as long as you stay away from any auditors, you should be fine. ^_^

Somebody once said "the only sure things in life are death and taxes." Durga's got the taxes covered, so that leaves Melissa for... uh oh.

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MeKiwi wrote:
maskdmirag wrote:
Now that cheerleaders is live, I am wondering what will happen if the queen finds out.

If the queen and durga are connected, aren't we "messing with team jersey?"


Just as long as you stay away from any auditors, you should be fine. ^_^

Somebody once said "the only sure things in life are death and taxes." Durga's got the taxes covered, so that leaves Melissa for... uh oh.


I've got to give you props on that.

Maybe this whole axon thing is a way of testing some new death through payphone technology. they could ummm wipe out all the drug dealers....

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maskdmirag wrote:
Maybe this whole axon thing is a way of testing some new death through payphone technology.


Gives new meaning to the phrase "reach out and touch someone."

maskdmirag wrote:
they could ummm wipe out all the drug dealers....


or all the corrupt casino owners with single letter last names...

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MeKiwi wrote:
or all the corrupt casino owners with single letter last names...


Actually, referenced in uvular_implants - his name is Forihoff or something like that... another untranscribable name Rolling Eyes
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thebruce wrote:
MeKiwi wrote:
or all the corrupt casino owners with single letter last names...


Actually, referenced in uvular_implants - his name is Forihoff or something like that... another untranscribable name Rolling Eyes


Awww... there goes that theory, I guess. ^_^

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hehe... perhaps Melissa will start finding other means of communicating via "CP ancestor packets"? I'm assuming CP stands for Chatter Protocol. (Hence CPA stands for "Chatter Protocol Authority".) Cuz it makes sense that she did contact us via payphones - that's pretty ancient contacts to her. Silly paranoid thought: next might be cellphones, homephones, and pagers. Who know?
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Mazian
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Ceantari wrote:
hehe... perhaps Melissa will start finding other means of communicating via "CP ancestor packets"? I'm assuming CP stands for Chatter Protocol. (Hence CPA stands for "Chatter Protocol Authority".) Cuz it makes sense that she did contact us via payphones - that's pretty ancient contacts to her. Silly paranoid thought: next might be cellphones, homephones, and pagers. Who know?


Shocked eeek! Call me on my cell while I'm in the middle of an interview or business meeting? I hope not.

"err, pardon me, I have to enhottenate an axon real quick..." [steps outside] "GREENE!" [looks around redfaced at nearby co-workers] "continue." [steps back in to meeting looking sheepish]

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My money is on Melissa giving us access to the 'classified' or higher security clips, like the previews the SP has been giving us on recipe3. Whether they'll appear as new axons or as directly downloadable wav files without the payphone malarkey remains to be seen, but I think that's what's going to happen. I guess we'll find out tomorrow. Very Happy
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Nova wrote:
My money is on Melissa giving us access to the 'classified' or higher security clips, like the previews the SP has been giving us on recipe3. Whether they'll appear as new axons or as directly downloadable wav files without the payphone malarkey remains to be seen, but I think that's what's going to happen. I guess we'll find out tomorrow. Very Happy


Looks like Nova might have been right.
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Mazian wrote:
Nova wrote:
My money is on Melissa giving us access to the 'classified' or higher security clips, like the previews the SP has been giving us on recipe3. Whether they'll appear as new axons or as directly downloadable wav files without the payphone malarkey remains to be seen, but I think that's what's going to happen. I guess we'll find out tomorrow. Very Happy


Looks like Nova might have been right.


Go me!

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Others in this thread have already thought about what might happen when Melissa finds out about the secret recipe3 page, so I thought I'd add to it with some wild spec Wink

We are now at recipe1 for axons, and we know from the axon clips that Reach has just been glassed. This is nearing a point of resolution for the game (as expected), so any conflict between Melissa and the SP will occur soon.

Will Melissa go straight from recipe2 to recipe4 for transmission pages in two weeks? Or will this be the time when the SP is caught out, as Melissa finds the "secret hiding place behind the kitchen" that is recipe3? Should we warn the SP of this possibility (since it seems the majority consensus is to trust the SP over Melissa?)?

Secondly, now that phase 5 has come with beekeepers inducted into Melissa's "crew", there are some possible escalations in the plot to come.
What we know:
1) Melissa has mentioned the rogue process (SP) in her live chats with the axon hunters. She has made it clear she is suspicious, and talks about the concept of revenge with several.

2) Melissa has instructed her new "crew" with some secret plans and requests.

3) Melissa is suspicious that some of her crew may be spies.

Without wanting to cast aspersions on any of the new crew (really! this isn't intended personally!), what if Melissa co-opts the crewmembers, willingly or not, into a plan to trap or ambush the Sleeping Princess?

I could see Melissa forcing the crew to make a choice to prove their loyalty to her, between her or the rogue process. Do we warn the SP of this? Are we sure of which AI we should be helping?

Lastly, just a small point in support of the above - Melissa talked to her crew about her loneliness and needing help. While this is possibly straight honesty, if I were a powerful AI wanting to hunt down a spying Sleeping Princess, I would use a ploy like this to gain the sympathy of my new crew. Sympathetic people are much more willing to trust, and hence to manipulate Twisted Evil

(Again, just wanting to point out to Shad0, xnbomb, weephun etc. I don't think you've been inducted into some secret plot against the Sleeping Princess! I just thought this was some good spec to share, so people are prepared for the possibility that Melissa might pull a fast one if given the chance!)

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